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goonys evil twin South Bend Cubs

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Well if they were going to change draft pick compensation that would be consdered a "major change" I think.

 

I'm not sure. If that was the only change, I could easily see it passed off as minor. Baseball media in general ignores the draft.

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I thought after the Hockey owners showed how to force a salary cap, the baseball owners might actually stick it out for the long haul. I guess they arent losing as much money as they once suggested.
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Well if they were going to change draft pick compensation that would be consdered a "major change" I think.

 

I'm not sure. If that was the only change, I could easily see it passed off as minor. Baseball media in general ignores the draft.

 

I'd view it as major. A lot of players go unsigned late into the offseason, as teams await the arbitration deadline to avoid giving up compensation.

 

A lot of players get avoided by teams that don't want to pay top dollar for a free agent AND give up draft picks.

 

Removing free agent draft compensation changes things in a huge way, IMO.

goonys evil twin South Bend Cubs

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I'd view it as major.

 

So would I. But we aren't writing the articles about the CBA. Salary cap, revenue sharing, oversees money, expansion/contraction, arbitration/free agency eligibility, these are all the real big ticket items. If none of those change, but compensation does, people would claim it was mostly unchanged.

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It looks like draft pick compensation may in fact be on the way out (a good thing for the Cubs since they should be big players in free agency and can now do so without losing picks).

 

Negotiators are expected to eliminate draft-choice compensation for lost free agents, a step they came close to taking four years ago.

 

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It looks like draft pick compensation may in fact be on the way out (a good thing for the Cubs since they should be big players in free agency and can now do so without losing picks).

 

Negotiators are expected to eliminate draft-choice compensation for lost free agents, a step they came close to taking four years ago.

 

Link

 

That's one way of looking at it. However, they lose out on compensation for Aramis and Pierre.

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Could someone explain how a slotting system would work? Are they talking about putting a cap on how much of a bonus you can offer per pick? That would kind of suck for the Cubs since you'd have less players sliping to us. I dont like the idea of slotting at all if thats what it is.
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I'm up and down on it.

 

On the up side, it's been a really arbitrary process. The designation of FAs tends to have no rhyme or reason. How certain guys get designated A,B, or C has never been adequately explained. Remember Matt Clement? I never understood why he wasn't a Type A FA given his success compared to some of the other bums who were given the Type A designation that year.

 

Also, to the Cubs' benefit, because they have a high draft pick, they will have a much better selection of players because of the elimination of the sandwich picks. Granted, they won't have any extra picks, which stinks, but their current picks will be a good step up.

 

Finally, in terms of good things, the Cubs won't be in a situation like in past seasons when they went out and acquired a number of players, losing draft picks in the process. If they want to go out and make a splash in free agency, they won't have to worry about losing multiple draft picks in the process.

 

And now for the bad things...

 

Naturally, the Cubs won't get any compensation for losing guys like Juan Pierre and (hopefully not) Aramis Ramirez. That's problematic.

 

On a bit of a strange note, this could end up hurting the quality of the draft for the foreseeable future if there is a slotting system. High school guys will no longer be able to slip into late rounds and end up getting a ton of money thrown at them way down in the draft (Huseby, Adenhart, etc). These guys will be more reluctant to sign since they will no longer be able to get that nice payday despite being an 8th rounder or whatever. I think this may very well end up increasing the overall quality of college baseball.

 

I'm sure there are a few things I missed, but this is definitely food for thought.

frostwyrm ACL Cubs

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This doesn't help small market teams stay competitive. They lose their talent to free agency and get no draft pick compensation. I don't like that.
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I'm up and down on it.

 

On the up side, it's been a really arbitrary process. The designation of FAs tends to have no rhyme or reason. How certain guys get designated A,B, or C has never been adequately explained. Remember Matt Clement? I never understood why he wasn't a Type A FA given his success compared to some of the other bums who were given the Type A designation that year.

 

Also, to the Cubs' benefit, because they have a high draft pick, they will have a much better selection of players because of the elimination of the sandwich picks. Granted, they won't have any extra picks, which stinks, but their current picks will be a good step up.

 

Finally, in terms of good things, the Cubs won't be in a situation like in past seasons when they went out and acquired a number of players, losing draft picks in the process. If they want to go out and make a splash in free agency, they won't have to worry about losing multiple draft picks in the process.

 

And now for the bad things...

 

Naturally, the Cubs won't get any compensation for losing guys like Juan Pierre and (hopefully not) Aramis Ramirez. That's problematic.

 

On a bit of a strange note, this could end up hurting the quality of the draft for the foreseeable future if there is a slotting system. High school guys will no longer be able to slip into late rounds and end up getting a ton of money thrown at them way down in the draft (Huseby, Adenhart, etc). These guys will be more reluctant to sign since they will no longer be able to get that nice payday despite being an 8th rounder or whatever. I think this may very well end up increasing the overall quality of college baseball.

 

I'm sure there are a few things I missed, but this is definitely food for thought.

 

It should also increase the trade activity during the season as teams who fear they will lose their FA for nothing will be willing to trade them to contenders.

it could also help the future FA obtain larger extensions by their teams because they will have a lot more leverage due to lack of compensation.

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I'm up and down on it.

 

On the up side, it's been a really arbitrary process. The designation of FAs tends to have no rhyme or reason. How certain guys get designated A,B, or C has never been adequately explained. Remember Matt Clement? I never understood why he wasn't a Type A FA given his success compared to some of the other bums who were given the Type A designation that year.

 

Still a bit arbitrary, but at least defined...

 

A handful of straightforward statistical categories are picked for each positional group (different groups will use slightly different categories) and players are ranked against each other using two-year averages. The NL catcher with the highest two-year batting average gets ranked first in that category. The AL reliever with the fifth-lowest ERA in the last two years gets a fifth-place ranking in that category. The rankings across the categories for each player are averaged (a five, a 10, and a one average out to a 5.33 rank) and are then converted into a 100-point scale. That's the Elias Player ranking.

 

Players who rank in the upper 30% of their position group in this ranking are tagged as Type A players. Players in the upper 50% who are not Type As (the next 20%) are tagged as Type B players. Players in the top 60% who are not A's or B's (the next 10%) are Type Cs.

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I'm up and down on it.

 

On the up side, it's been a really arbitrary process. The designation of FAs tends to have no rhyme or reason. How certain guys get designated A,B, or C has never been adequately explained. Remember Matt Clement? I never understood why he wasn't a Type A FA given his success compared to some of the other bums who were given the Type A designation that year.

 

Also, to the Cubs' benefit, because they have a high draft pick, they will have a much better selection of players because of the elimination of the sandwich picks. Granted, they won't have any extra picks, which stinks, but their current picks will be a good step up.

 

Finally, in terms of good things, the Cubs won't be in a situation like in past seasons when they went out and acquired a number of players, losing draft picks in the process. If they want to go out and make a splash in free agency, they won't have to worry about losing multiple draft picks in the process.

 

And now for the bad things...

 

Naturally, the Cubs won't get any compensation for losing guys like Juan Pierre and (hopefully not) Aramis Ramirez. That's problematic.

 

On a bit of a strange note, this could end up hurting the quality of the draft for the foreseeable future if there is a slotting system. High school guys will no longer be able to slip into late rounds and end up getting a ton of money thrown at them way down in the draft (Huseby, Adenhart, etc). These guys will be more reluctant to sign since they will no longer be able to get that nice payday despite being an 8th rounder or whatever. I think this may very well end up increasing the overall quality of college baseball.

 

I'm sure there are a few things I missed, but this is definitely food for thought.

 

It should also increase the trade activity during the season as teams who fear they will lose their FA for nothing will be willing to trade them to contenders.

it could also help the future FA obtain larger extensions by their teams because they will have a lot more leverage due to lack of compensation.

Not only does it look like that clubs could trade their draft picks, it looks like a good chance for every pick to be slotted in the draft!
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Well according to Ken Rosenthal the labor deal will not eliminate draft-pick compensation but that there will modifications. I wonder if it will involve draft picks being tadeable and only certain higher level FA earning a team compensation picks.
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Well according to Ken Rosenthal the labor deal will not eliminate draft-pick compensation but that there will modifications. I wonder if it will involve draft picks being tadeable and only certain higher level FA earning a team compensation picks.

 

My guess is that losing a type A will still get a team a sandwich pick, but the team signing the player will not lose their pick.

Outshined_One Cooperstown

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The NFL has a rookie cap that is allotted to all teams based on their draft slot and their respective total number of picks. I'm unsure if they're going to do the same thing as the NFL, but it'd probably be a good start.

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