Soriano Rejects Nationals Offer of 5 years and $70M?

[Mizzou]

5 at 70 was what I wanted the Cubs to sign him for. I wouldn't go much higher, if at all. If he's going to demand something much higher then that, then try and get Wells or Andruw Jones instead.

[CubinNY]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

If somebody gives him a five year contract they will have a pretty highly paid 35 year-old playing for them. With his frame, I don't think he's going to be too goood at that age.

 

If I were interested in him I'd give him a high-dollar, front-loaded three-year contract with a team option for a fourth, but nothing more.

 

Something like

 

14

12

10

15

[goonys evil twin]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

If somebody gives him a five year contract they will have a pretty highly paid 35 year-old playing for them. With his frame, I don't think he's going to be too goood at that age.

 

If I were interested in him I'd give him a high-dollar, front-loaded three-year contract with a team option for a fourth, but nothing more.

 

Something like

 

14

12

10

15

 

For a guy that turned down $70m, $36m is an extremely low guarantee. If you wanted to front load a deal you'd be better off going:

 

$16m

$16m

$14m

$16m option with $4m buyout

 

At least that guarantees him $50m, and gives him a chance to sign a new deal at 33 (well, he'd sign at 33, but play at 34).

 

I still doubt he settles for under 4 guaranteed though.

[CubinNY]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

If somebody gives him a five year contract they will have a pretty highly paid 35 year-old playing for them. With his frame, I don't think he's going to be too goood at that age.

 

If I were interested in him I'd give him a high-dollar, front-loaded three-year contract with a team option for a fourth, but nothing more.

 

Something like

 

14

12

10

15

 

For a guy that turned down $70m, $36m is an extremely low guarantee. If you wanted to front load a deal you'd be better off going:

 

$16m

$16m

$14m

$16m option with $4m buyout

 

At least that guarantees him $50m, and gives him a chance to sign a new deal at 33 (well, he'd sign at 33, but play at 34).

 

I still doubt he settles for under 4 guaranteed though.

 

That's a good point. I'm terrible at this sort of thing.

But I think the only way I'd want him is if it were for a shorter deal than five years.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

(Incorrect answer buzzard)

 

Soriano will be a bust, but the situations between Soriano and Beltre are FAR different. Beltre had one ONE great season, after several FAILED seasons, and his one career yr, came in on his walk year. Soriano has had atleast some decent productive yrs---with the Yankees at least---in his past. Maybe 2006 is a career yr, but he is a better bet to be worth his next contract then Beltre is on his contract.

[Rob]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

(Incorrect answer buzzard)

 

Soriano will be a bust, but the situations between Soriano and Beltre are FAR different. Beltre had one ONE great season, after several FAILED seasons, and his one career yr, came in on his walk year. Soriano has had atleast some decent productive yrs---with the Yankees at least---in his past. Maybe 2006 is a career yr, but he is a better bet to be worth his next contract then Beltre is on his contract.

 

How old was Beltre when he signed his big contract?

[goonys evil twin]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

(Incorrect answer buzzard)

 

Soriano will be a bust, but the situations between Soriano and Beltre are FAR different. Beltre had one ONE great season, after several FAILED seasons, and his one career yr, came in on his walk year. Soriano has had atleast some decent productive yrs---with the Yankees at least---in his past. Maybe 2006 is a career yr, but he is a better bet to be worth his next contract then Beltre is on his contract.

 

How old was Beltre when he signed his big contract?

 

26

[YearofDaCubs]

he rejected a 14mil per offer? Damn greedy if you ask me.

[Backtobanks]

As a couple of posters have written, I think he wants out of Washington. Also, I'm sure his agent and him think that the rejected Nationals' offer will set a starting point for others. I would think that he won't do much better than what was offered, but you have some desperate deep-pocket teams (Yankees, Cubs, Orioles, etc.) out there.

[SouthSideRyan]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

Beltre's pre-career year career is nowhere close to Soriano's.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

Beltre's pre-career year career is nowhere close to Soriano's.

 

He was also a free agent after age 25. At that age Soriano was playing his first big league season, .268/.304/.432

[Balsa]

......And that pretty much guarantees Soriano won't play for us anytime soon.

 

Thanks for playing!

[SouthSideRyan]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

Beltre's pre-career year career is nowhere close to Soriano's.

 

He was also a free agent after age 25. At that age Soriano was playing his first big league season, .268/.304/.432

 

It's revisionist history, but hasn't time shown that wasn't simply Beltre breaking out?

[Rob]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

Beltre's pre-career year career is nowhere close to Soriano's.

 

He was also a free agent after age 25. At that age Soriano was playing his first big league season, .268/.304/.432

 

It's revisionist history, but hasn't time shown that wasn't simply Beltre breaking out?

 

Maybe so, but the fact remains is that he had a much better chance to improve upon or sustain his numbers than Soriano does. I hesitate to hand out 5 year deals to guys on the wrong side of 30 already.

[Omar]

Maybe money wasnt the problem? Is there any proof that he wasnt happy with the amount he was offered?

[Balsa]

Maybe money wasnt the problem? Is there any proof that he wasnt happy with the amount he was offered?

My guess is that he didn't want to be part of the rebuilding effort that will soon be going on there.

 

But it also means if he turns this down, he probably won't accept anything less.

[Soriano12]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

Beltre juiced man.

 

I don't think its fair to compare the two, IMO.

[soapy]

There could be several reasons why he didn't take that offer, all of which have been mentioned. My own guess is that he doesn't want to play in Washington.

 

I'd go 5/70 if he said he'd play CF, but not for LF.

[Outshined_One]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!

 

Desperate teams that have screwed up and find themselves in a hole, need to overpay to get talent. That is the cost of your past mistakes.

 

Look at Detroit. I sure wouldn't have paid what they paid for Ordonez and I-Rod. Kenny Rogers either. But they wouldn't be where they are without them. Would the Dodgers have made the playoffs without Furcal?

 

How about Juan Gonzalez?

[Careless]

Soriano will be this offseason's Beltre. I guarantee it.

 

And he will sign for not much more than 5/70, if at all. I just don't think he wants to play in Washington.

 

(Incorrect answer buzzard)

 

Soriano will be a bust, but the situations between Soriano and Beltre are FAR different. Beltre had one ONE great season, after several FAILED seasons, and his one career yr, came in on his walk year. Soriano has had atleast some decent productive yrs---with the Yankees at least---in his past. Maybe 2006 is a career yr, but he is a better bet to be worth his next contract then Beltre is on his contract.

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ack, that's large

Edited October 13, 2006 by Careless

[Soriano12]

A big duence cap award to Washington for not trading him as well.

[RynoRules]

Soriano is looking like a "Beltre-light", if you catch my drift. I can't justify the sort of cash he (apparently) wants for an OPS in the 800's.

[frostwyrm]

I really wanted Soriano but he's looking too expensive now. I'm getting sick of players having career years right before they hit free agency and getting absurdly bloated contracts.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Nats saying this is false

[rawaction]

Part of me doesn't know what to think about Soriano. I'm pretty sure he won't maintain his overnight discovery of a near elite batting eye from a career of Patterson-ish walk rates. I don't know what to think about him coming off what was by far his best power season.

 

But I look at him playing in a very tough park for hitters and in the weakest lineup, by far, that he has ever played in and I am encouraged.

 

I'd still sign Soriano at 5/$75M. Just like I would have signed Beltran at whatever money he got. Just like I would have signed ARod at the contract he got. Not saying Soriano is nearly in the same league as those two were at the time of their signings or that they are now. But I don't have a problem overpaying for production. Soriano will produce. I don't think he will produce at the level he produced at in 2006, but I don't think he will be as bad as he was in 2005. I look at his 2002-03 numbers with Yanks and can easily see those numbers being attainable on a consistent basis for at least the next 3 years. I think 3 years of .285, .340, .510 is very much worth the money for a team that desperately needs offensive production.