Lou Piniella already interviewed W/Hendry Per Bruce Levine

[ZMovieman]

Lou is waiting for the Yankee job, he says he wants to win now and what better lineup to manage.

 

If Torre is fired, I'll bet George hires Lou without even wasting time to interview Girardi.

 

Even though Girardi is well thought of and was formerly the bench coach for the Yanks?

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou is waiting for the Yankee job, he says he wants to win now and what better lineup to manage.

 

If Torre is fired, I'll bet George hires Lou without even wasting time to interview Girardi.

 

Even though Girardi is well thought of and was formerly the bench coach for the Yanks?

 

I have the feeling that if Torre goes it's going to be a total house cleaning of the coaching staff. Bringing back one of Torre's coaches doesn't really jive with that kind of culling.

 

The Yankees have a hitting lineup that Sweet Lou can actually win with. Girardi is too unproven. They won't be able to afford this much hitting power for long.

[CubinNY]

Yeah, Girardi was SO careless with Johnson

 

"If there is a little strain, he won't pitch at all the rest of the year," manager Joe Girardi said Tuesday. "He played catch [on Monday] and he still felt a little stiff, so I'm not going to start him [saturday]. It's not worth it." Especially disappointing is that the injury apparently will prevent him from qualifying for the ERA title. He currently ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.10 ERA in 157 innings.

 

 

That really sounds like a guy that is reckless with young arms.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact is he let a guy pitch after an hour and change rain delay. To me what is even more damaging is that he's seen this happen before when he was a player. He was catching Leiber when Baylor sent him out after the rain delay.

 

Learning from past mistakes is a good thing. Repeating them is a bad thing.

 

Starting pitchers come back all the time after rain delays with no ill effects.

 

A lot of things go into that decision. It's not some general rule. People aren't numbers.

 

No they don't generally come back after an 82 minute rain delay. When a manger does that sort of thing it's just plain foolish.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, Girardi was SO careless with Johnson

 

"If there is a little strain, he won't pitch at all the rest of the year," manager Joe Girardi said Tuesday. "He played catch [on Monday] and he still felt a little stiff, so I'm not going to start him [saturday]. It's not worth it." Especially disappointing is that the injury apparently will prevent him from qualifying for the ERA title. He currently ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.10 ERA in 157 innings.

 

 

That really sounds like a guy that is reckless with young arms.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact is he let a guy pitch after an hour and change rain delay. To me what is even more damaging is that he's seen this happen before when he was a player. He was catching Leiber when Baylor sent him out after the rain delay.

 

Learning from past mistakes is a good thing. Repeating them is a bad thing.

 

Starting pitchers come back all the time after rain delays with no ill effects.

 

A lot of things go into that decision. It's not some general rule. People aren't numbers.

 

No they don't generally come back after an 82 minute rain delay. When a manger does that sort of thing it's just plain foolish.

 

You're taking one incident and extrapolating it to Girardi's entire philosophy.

[Illini Iceman]

Lou is waiting for the Yankee job, he says he wants to win now and what better lineup to manage.

 

If Torre is fired, I'll bet George hires Lou without even wasting time to interview Girardi.

 

Even though Girardi is well thought of and was formerly the bench coach for the Yanks?

 

Not so sure he was loved by the Steinbrenner:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061006cubsmanagerevaluation,1,1294967.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

In "Zim: A Baseball Life," former Cubs manager and Girardi mentor Don Zimmer described the organizational meeting in which Yankees owner George Steinbrenner wanted to get rid of Girardi. "I got up from the floor and said, `George, it's a shame you have it in for Joe Girardi. I know you like tough people, and I can assure you there's no one in this room as tough as Joe Girardi. I remember you saying `your people' don't think Girardi can do anything. Here's their opportunity to speak up.'"

[CUBZ99]

Yeah, Girardi was SO careless with Johnson

 

"If there is a little strain, he won't pitch at all the rest of the year," manager Joe Girardi said Tuesday. "He played catch [on Monday] and he still felt a little stiff, so I'm not going to start him [saturday]. It's not worth it." Especially disappointing is that the injury apparently will prevent him from qualifying for the ERA title. He currently ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.10 ERA in 157 innings.

 

 

That really sounds like a guy that is reckless with young arms.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact is he let a guy pitch after an hour and change rain delay. To me what is even more damaging is that he's seen this happen before when he was a player. He was catching Leiber when Baylor sent him out after the rain delay.

 

Learning from past mistakes is a good thing. Repeating them is a bad thing.

 

Starting pitchers come back all the time after rain delays with no ill effects.

 

A lot of things go into that decision. It's not some general rule. People aren't numbers.

 

No they don't generally come back after an 82 minute rain delay. When a manger does that sort of thing it's just plain foolish.

 

You're taking one incident and extrapolating it to Girardi's entire philosophy.

 

Especially considering both starting pitchers came back to pitch after the rain delay.

[CubinNY]

Yeah, Girardi was SO careless with Johnson

 

"If there is a little strain, he won't pitch at all the rest of the year," manager Joe Girardi said Tuesday. "He played catch [on Monday] and he still felt a little stiff, so I'm not going to start him [saturday]. It's not worth it." Especially disappointing is that the injury apparently will prevent him from qualifying for the ERA title. He currently ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.10 ERA in 157 innings.

 

 

That really sounds like a guy that is reckless with young arms.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact is he let a guy pitch after an hour and change rain delay. To me what is even more damaging is that he's seen this happen before when he was a player. He was catching Leiber when Baylor sent him out after the rain delay.

 

Learning from past mistakes is a good thing. Repeating them is a bad thing.

 

Starting pitchers come back all the time after rain delays with no ill effects.

 

A lot of things go into that decision. It's not some general rule. People aren't numbers.

 

No they don't generally come back after an 82 minute rain delay. When a manger does that sort of thing it's just plain foolish.

 

You're taking one incident and extrapolating it to Girardi's entire philosophy.

 

No. I'm talking about that one incident. And to repeat myself, the incident although bad is made worse by him being through the experience once before when he was with the Cubs.

 

Josh Johnson is their best pitching prospect. What he did showed bad judgment.

 

In this thread I haven't discussed other judgment decisions that I think are poor. But since it was brought up.

 

Defensive replacements in late innings with a poor bullpen

Bunting early in the game with a runner on first and no outs

Starting the season with guys in the bullpen who should have been starting and starting guys who should have been in the bullpen.

Wanting to put Caberra in at first at the beginning of the season.

Wanting to put Dan Ugla in LF at the beginning of the season

Wantign to put Josh Willinghan at catcher at the beginning of the season.

[CUBZ99]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

 

Of course he's viable. I just don't think he's the best as I've seen espoused at every turn. I certainly don't think that the Cubs will be making a monumental mistake not hiring him. In fact, there are likely lesser known guys like Mills and Washington which would be equally good, if not better hires. I definitely don't think this hire is a "match in heaven."

 

Well, I have introduced evidence that he's a control freak, you just choose not to trust the word of Beinfest.

 

The last thing the Cubs need is to hire a manager that has no track record. Not to say that Mills or Washington may not turn out to be fine managers, but with the Cubs payroll and ability to get a proven manager, it would be ignorant for them to take a chance on an unknown.

[oldcubsfan]

Yeah, Girardi was SO careless with Johnson

 

"If there is a little strain, he won't pitch at all the rest of the year," manager Joe Girardi said Tuesday. "He played catch [on Monday] and he still felt a little stiff, so I'm not going to start him [saturday]. It's not worth it." Especially disappointing is that the injury apparently will prevent him from qualifying for the ERA title. He currently ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.10 ERA in 157 innings.

 

 

That really sounds like a guy that is reckless with young arms.

 

Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact is he let a guy pitch after an hour and change rain delay. To me what is even more damaging is that he's seen this happen before when he was a player. He was catching Leiber when Baylor sent him out after the rain delay.

 

Learning from past mistakes is a good thing. Repeating them is a bad thing.

 

Starting pitchers come back all the time after rain delays with no ill effects.

 

A lot of things go into that decision. It's not some general rule. People aren't numbers.

 

No they don't generally come back after an 82 minute rain delay. When a manger does that sort of thing it's just plain foolish.

 

You're taking one incident and extrapolating it to Girardi's entire philosophy.

So what is his entire philospophy? Why all the hype about a very mediocre ex-cub?

[CubinNY]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

 

Of course he's viable. I just don't think he's the best as I've seen espoused at every turn. I certainly don't think that the Cubs will be making a monumental mistake not hiring him. In fact, there are likely lesser known guys like Mills and Washington which would be equally good, if not better hires. I definitely don't think this hire is a "match in heaven."

 

Well, I have introduced evidence that he's a control freak, you just choose not to trust the word of Beinfest.

 

The last thing the Cubs need is to hire a manager that has no track record. Not to say that Mills or Washington may not turn out to be fine managers, but with the Cubs payroll and ability to get a proven manager, it would be ignorant for them to take a chance on an unknown.

 

How far have the "proven" managers gotten them so far?

[nilodnayr]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

Didn't he institute the yankees hygeine rule on the Marlins? It doesnt get more control freak than that.

[Soriano12]

Is is really too much asking players to shower now and then?

:P

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

 

Of course he's viable. I just don't think he's the best as I've seen espoused at every turn. I certainly don't think that the Cubs will be making a monumental mistake not hiring him. In fact, there are likely lesser known guys like Mills and Washington which would be equally good, if not better hires. I definitely don't think this hire is a "match in heaven."

 

Well, I have introduced evidence that he's a control freak, you just choose not to trust the word of Beinfest.

 

The last thing the Cubs need is to hire a manager that has no track record. Not to say that Mills or Washington may not turn out to be fine managers, but with the Cubs payroll and ability to get a proven manager, it would be ignorant for them to take a chance on an unknown.

 

Then by that token, we should rule out Girardi, because he hasn't proven anything. One season of sub-500 ball is nothing.

[UK1679666180]

While I'm not a big opponent of Piniella (not my 1st choice by any means), this article/blog/rant is pretty similar to the fears that many here have about Lou.

 

http://www.raysbaseball.com/JW-Riddance.shtml

[shnsajax]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

Didn't he institute the yankees hygeine rule on the Marlins? It doesnt get more control freak than that.

 

With an entire team of kids, I don't really think being a control freak is that bad of an idea.

[questionmarkgrace]

How many times in a career of 1200 games played do you think that Girardi has seen a pitcher come back from a rain delay with out injury vs with injury. My guess is that this influenced his decision. Also please take into account that Johnson didn't even leave the game unit four innings after the rain delay. And the other starting pitcher Oliver Perez came in and did not get injured in fact he struck out 11.

 

Don't forget Johnson had never pitched as many innings as he did this year so like many young pitchers he encured a slight injury toward the end of the year. Also they were still in the playoff race at this point. Johnson had been playing long toss throughout the rain delay and I'm sure he did/said something to his manager to make him keep him in the game and in the playoff race and all that. If he went showered, iced his arm, and Girardi told him to get up and pitch than I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

 

But the fact that he didn't get injured until four innings later makes me think that the injury is more than likely attributed to pitching more innings than ever before.

[nilodnayr]

I don't think it's a myth that he jeopardized the career of a young pitcher. It isn't a myth that he had a run-in with his superiors. It isn't a myth that he espouses conventional wisdom and gives away too many outs.

 

Whether or not he's a control-freak is up for interpretation.

 

The fact is, all of these are legitimate concerns. Had we more of a track record to judge him upon, we might find some to be overblown. Yet, as the record stands these are all concerns which detract from Girardi's credit.

 

In fact, the only real thing he has to his credit is that he managed a team that many felt wasn't as good as it was to an under 500 record.

 

He told Loria to quiet down and let him handle the umpires. Good for him.

 

If you could point to one signle shred of evidence to support he is a control freak you'd have a much stronger argument in that regard.

 

Again, it won't upset me at all if he isn't hired, but he is a viable option.

 

Didn't he institute the yankees hygeine rule on the Marlins? It doesnt get more control freak than that.

 

With an entire team of kids, I don't really think being a control freak is that bad of an idea.

 

Ohh, I completely agree. I was just pointing out a "single shred of evidence to support that he is a control freak". I think Girardi is the perfect manager for a team of very young players (like the Marlins) or a very disciplined team (like the Yanks or the Angels). It may just be closed mindedness on my part, but I can't see him succeed on a team like the cubs.

[questionmarkgrace]

Ohh, I completely agree. I was just pointing out a "single shred of evidence to support that he is a control freak". I think Girardi is the perfect manager for a team of very young players (like the Marlins) or a very disciplined team (like the Yanks or the Angels). It may just be closed mindedness on my part, but I can't see him succeed on a team like the cubs.

 

I really can't see the yankee code of conduct working here either and if he comes here I hope to god he doesn't enforce it. My guess though is that since he played here he knows that won't fly in a circus envirnonment. The jury is out on him managing veterans but he did manage to keep his star player Cabrera happy despite all of the rookies in the line up.

[soccer10k]

Have fun in New York Lou.

[C.C.]

Have fun in New York Lou.

 

Just heard this morning that Lou is going to NY. So with that it looks like Girardi or perhaps Bochy is our man.

[SouthSideRyan]

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Starting the season with guys in the bullpen who should have been starting and starting guys who should have been in the bullpen.

Wantign to put Josh Willinghan at catcher at the beginning of the season.

 

I'd like to see specifics on the bullpen/starter issue.

 

And I think Willingham should've stuck at catcher. Having his bat at catcher is a valuable thing.