K-Rod (Alex, not Francisco)

[VanceJergins]

I think Torre would retire. I'm not really sure he is that great a manager.

 

I dont think he's the greatest, but would probably be better than whats available.

 

I'm not sure about that. I think Torre has benefit from having an owner with deep pockets, and a very good stuff. Torre hardly does any "in game" stratgey. I think if the chance the Cubs ever got Joe Torre, the Cubs would see the "Pre-Yankee" Torre who went 888-1003 with the Mets/Braves/Cards and the "Yankee" Torre. IMO, Torre, dare I say, isn't as great of manager as the NY Media (and ESPN for that matter) hyped him to be. In fact, I believe Girardi would be just a good of a manager in 2007 as Joe Torre, wherever Girardi ended up.

 

One of the worst things a manager can do is try to do too much. From what I've seen Torre is big supporter of working counts and OBP and seems to handle a pitching staff pretty well (I could be wrong about that, but I think thats what I've heard).

 

But as for the person who said we could get an impact player for what we'd pay Torre.....touche.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

ARod is not clutch, I don't want him.

 

Actually if Torre was ever available I would love him as manager. He does overwork his relievers, especially the good ones, but his in game strategy is pretty solid.

[SouthSideRyan]

ARod is not clutch, I don't want him.

 

 

FINALLY!!

 

This is why I think ARod would be easier to acquire than Derrek Lee. His unclutchiness and not true yankeeism would devalue him a lot. That and he's not friends with the Jeter. And Jason Giambi told me he doesn't like him.

[third eye]

Maybe I'm one of the few who thinks that DLee's 2005 season is not an aberration. But the numbers he put up in the first couple of weeks of this season combined with his numbers when he came back the second time were totally in line with what he put up last year. He widened his stance and fixed a hole in his swing. While he may not hit 46 HR again, I think it's likely he can put up 40hr and 110+ RBI again over the next few years. I find him way more valuable than ARod. I know this is me being a homer, but there are things about the way he plays the game - and I hate to throw out "intangibles" again - that I don't know if ARod has. I don't think Sammy had them either, even in his best years. I wish I had something more concrete to back up this opinion, but that’s what my gut says about him. It's the exact opposite feeling you got about a player like Mcgriff when we got him for the stretch run in 2001 and the unfortunate 2002 campaign.

[CuseCubFan69]

ARod is not clutch, I don't want him.

 

 

FINALLY!!

 

This is why I think ARod would be easier to acquire than Derrek Lee. His unclutchiness and not true yankeeism would devalue him a lot. That and he's not friends with the Jeter. And Jason Giambi told me he doesn't like him.

 

Yep, the Cubs should pick him up for a song this off season.

[USSoccer]

Maybe I'm one of the few who thinks that DLee's 2005 season is not an aberration. But the numbers he put up in the first couple of weeks of this season combined with his numbers when he came back the second time were totally in line with what he put up last year. He widened his stance and fixed a hole in his swing. While he may not hit 46 HR again, I think it's likely he can put up 40hr and 110+ RBI again over the next few years. I find him way more valuable than ARod. I know this is me being a homer, but there are things about the way he plays the game - and I hate to throw out "intangibles" again - that I don't know if ARod has. I don't think Sammy had them either, even in his best years. I wish I had something more concrete to back up this opinion, but that’s what my gut says about him. It's the exact opposite feeling you got about a player like Mcgriff when we got him for the stretch run in 2001 and the unfortunate 2002 campaign.

 

If you think Lee is better or more valuable than ARod, you're crazy. ARod is a top 5 player in the game, if not the best player in the game.

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe I'm one of the few who thinks that DLee's 2005 season is not an aberration. But the numbers he put up in the first couple of weeks of this season combined with his numbers when he came back the second time were totally in line with what he put up last year. He widened his stance and fixed a hole in his swing. While he may not hit 46 HR again, I think it's likely he can put up 40hr and 110+ RBI again over the next few years. I find him way more valuable than ARod. I know this is me being a homer, but there are things about the way he plays the game - and I hate to throw out "intangibles" again - that I don't know if ARod has. I don't think Sammy had them either, even in his best years. I wish I had something more concrete to back up this opinion, but that’s what my gut says about him. It's the exact opposite feeling you got about a player like Mcgriff when we got him for the stretch run in 2001 and the unfortunate 2002 campaign.

 

If you think Lee is better or more valuable than ARod, you're crazy. ARod is a top 5 player in the game, if not the best player in the game.

 

I'd slide him back to SS move Jones to CF and find the best OF I could find and that would end it for my everyday players.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I love D-Lee; but 1B are easier to find than slugging shortstops. I would trade Lee for A-Rod in a heartbeat, but the Yankees aren't that stupid.

 

What irks me is that the Yankees were able to get A-Rod in the first place, for nothing more than Fonzie and their deep wallet, that just stinks. We'd have to empty the boat to trade for Rodriguez, but the Yankees move one over-rated 2B to Texas and they get a HOF-er in return. Disgusting.

[daske17]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I really don't think it'll take much to get A-Rod in he continues to tank. I could see a package of Moore/Marshall/Veal working if Hendry takes on Pavano/A-Rod and 3/4 of their combined deals.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ah yes! Trade Lee for Arod then pull off a deal for Dunn and put him at firstbase.

 

2b Theriot

LF Murton

SS Arod

1b Dunn

3b Ramirez

RF Jones

C Barrett

CF Pie

 

 

I think we could really score with this line-up.

Edited October 6, 2006 by vance_the_cubs_fan

[fromthestretch]

Ah yes! Trade Lee for Arod then pull off a deal for Dunn and put him at firstbase.

 

2b Theriot

LF Murton

SS Arod

1b Dunn

3b Ramirez

LF Jones

C Barrett

CF Pie

SS Izturis

 

I think we could really score with this line-up.

 

Something tells me that the Cubs wouldn't need Izturis in that scenario.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ah yes! Trade Lee for Arod then pull off a deal for Dunn and put him at firstbase.

 

2b Theriot

LF Murton

SS Arod

1b Dunn

3b Ramirez

LF Jones

C Barrett

CF Pie

SS Izturis

 

I think we could really score with this line-up.

 

Something tells me that the Cubs wouldn't need Izturis in that scenario.

 

Two LFs and two SSs in the same lineup. :-k It'll be interesting to play with no pitcher or RF.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ah yes! Trade Lee for Arod then pull off a deal for Dunn and put him at firstbase.

 

2b Theriot

LF Murton

SS Arod

1b Dunn

3b Ramirez

LF Jones

C Barrett

CF Pie

SS Izturis

 

I think we could really score with this line-up.

 

Something tells me that the Cubs wouldn't need Izturis in that scenario.

 

Oops. Teaches me to do this things while being distracted. I'll fix it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ah yes! Trade Lee for Arod then pull off a deal for Dunn and put him at firstbase.

 

2b Theriot

LF Murton

SS Arod

1b Dunn

3b Ramirez

LF Jones

C Barrett

CF Pie

SS Izturis

 

I think we could really score with this line-up.

 

Something tells me that the Cubs wouldn't need Izturis in that scenario.

 

Two LFs and two SSs in the same lineup. :-k It'll be interesting to play with no pitcher or RF.

 

It's fixed. I've been distracted a lot this morning.

[jmajew]

If we are going to Trade for A-rod I gaurentee the Yankees will want Prior in the deal. I would assume they would want Prior, Veal, Dopirak, Pie. I know Prior is an injury risk but he is so cheap right now he is a gamble the Yankees can afford to take.

[TheDude]

Why do people assume the cost in talent to get A-Rod would be huge?

 

The Yankees won't play the top young talent in a deal anyway, preferring to spend another 10-20 million to fill the hole created.

 

If a team like the Cubs absorbed the entirety of the contract, then the talent going back doesn't have to be anything more than a few propsects, and none of the premiere ones.

 

With large salary trades, teams have 'buy' the top propects by eating a sizable percentage of the contract. They more they eat in salary, the better the prospect package becomes.

 

The Cubs best bet is to take on the entire contract and give them 3 B prospects.

[Abe Frohman]

Given their current deals, who do you think could fetch more on the open market: DLee or ARod?

 

Stats wise, Rodriguez is far superior to Derrek Lee. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of teams would rather have Lee over Alex because of maturity issues.

 

I have a hard time believing DLee is going to draw attention to himself the way ARod does - and that could be pretty much an intangible asset to a clubhouse.

[goonys evil twin]

Given their current deals, who do you think could fetch more on the open market: DLee or ARod?

 

Stats wise, Rodriguez is far superior to Derrek Lee. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of teams would rather have Lee over Alex because of maturity issues.

 

I have a hard time believing DLee is going to draw attention to himself the way ARod does - and that could be pretty much an intangible asset to a clubhouse.

 

ARod draws attention to himself? You think he does that more than a guy like Jeter? ARod draws a lot less attention to himself than many big name players. If anything, he's more of a recluse than most. It's not like he's Barry Bonds with his own reality show.

[jtownie]

Given their current deals, who do you think could fetch more on the open market: DLee or ARod?

 

Stats wise, Rodriguez is far superior to Derrek Lee. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of teams would rather have Lee over Alex because of maturity issues.

 

I have a hard time believing DLee is going to draw attention to himself the way ARod does - and that could be pretty much an intangible asset to a clubhouse.

 

ARod draws attention to himself? You think he does that more than a guy like Jeter? ARod draws a lot less attention to himself than many big name players. If anything, he's more of a recluse than most. It's not like he's Barry Bonds with his own reality show.

Agreed! How much did we really hear about ARod when he wasn't with the Yankees? Judging on memory alone all I ever heard was how great he was and his contract but that's it. The NY media is a completely different animal than any other city and since he doesn't fit the "true Yankee" label they appear to be making a lot of assumptions about ARod and his personality.

[TB_11]

IMO it would be surprising if Cashman moves A-Rod this offseason, unless he feels he can get Cabrera. Cashman knows that A-Rod is still the best 3B in the game and that he gets an unfair amount of heat from the NYC press and fans.

[goonys evil twin]

Why do people assume the cost in talent to get A-Rod would be huge?

 

The Yankees won't play the top young talent in a deal anyway, preferring to spend another 10-20 million to fill the hole created.

 

If a team like the Cubs absorbed the entirety of the contract, then the talent going back doesn't have to be anything more than a few propsects, and none of the premiere ones..

 

I think the Yankees claims that they won't trade him is just a way to drive up the price. Basically, they aren't going to foot the bill and not get talent back.

 

I think if you take on the bulk of the salary, they will settle for less than equal talent. But it will be more than just prospects. Chiefly, I think they'd love to get some middle relief. Throw Eyre and Aardsma/Novoa into the mix, and I think they'd listen. Include a starting pitcher prospect as well, and one good prospect.

 

 

Eyre, Aardsma/Novoa, Marmol and Pie for ARod and $3m per year, dropping the cost to the Cubs to $13m per year. You got yourself a 900 OPS for the next several years

[goonys evil twin]

IMO it would be surprising if Cashman moves A-Rod this offseason, unless he feels he can get Cabrera. Cashman knows that A-Rod is still the best 3B in the game and that he gets an unfair amount of heat from the NYC press and fans.

 

And he's just going to keep getting that heat. Logically they shouldn't trade him. But if the Yanks go their 6th straight year without a title, Cashman might no longer be making the decisions.

 

Just like Philly felt the need to move Abreu to "mix things up" the Yankees will feel the need to make changes if they don't win the WS this year. If they win it there's no way they trade him, but that's what this all hinges on. If they lose the next 2 in Detroit, the media, fans, bandwagoners and front office folks are going to freak out.

[SoonerCubFan]

The only way we can get this deal done is if there is a third team involved, like say the Marlins. We give the Marlins say Rich Hill and prospects or some other combination of prospects. They send Cabrera or Willis to New York. New York sends some prospects to them as well. They send ARod to us, and we send some prospects back to the Yankees. We'd also pick up most of ARod's 16M or whatever the Yankees owe.

 

Sure that scenario is a pipe dream, but it's like the only scenario plausible without giving up Ramirez or Zambrano.

 

Your scenario may be within reason, but I'd much rather have Cabrera for ourselves. He will surpass ARod's numbers for the next 5-10 years, and be much cheaper.

[TheDude]

Why do people assume the cost in talent to get A-Rod would be huge?

 

The Yankees won't play the top young talent in a deal anyway, preferring to spend another 10-20 million to fill the hole created.

 

If a team like the Cubs absorbed the entirety of the contract, then the talent going back doesn't have to be anything more than a few propsects, and none of the premiere ones..

 

I think the Yankees claims that they won't trade him is just a way to drive up the price. Basically, they aren't going to foot the bill and not get talent back.

 

I think if you take on the bulk of the salary, they will settle for less than equal talent. But it will be more than just prospects. Chiefly, I think they'd love to get some middle relief. Throw Eyre and Aardsma/Novoa into the mix, and I think they'd listen. Include a starting pitcher prospect as well, and one good prospect.

 

 

Eyre, Aardsma/Novoa, Marmol and Pie for ARod and $3m per year, dropping the cost to the Cubs to $13m per year. You got yourself a 900 OPS for the next several years

 

I think you're certainly on the right track. I'm not buying the 'no less than your top MLB talent' arguments pervaisive in the thread, because when the money is that high, it just doesn't work out that way.

[Abe Frohman]

Given their current deals, who do you think could fetch more on the open market: DLee or ARod?

 

Stats wise, Rodriguez is far superior to Derrek Lee. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of teams would rather have Lee over Alex because of maturity issues.

 

I have a hard time believing DLee is going to draw attention to himself the way ARod does - and that could be pretty much an intangible asset to a clubhouse.

 

ARod draws attention to himself? You think he does that more than a guy like Jeter? ARod draws a lot less attention to himself than many big name players. If anything, he's more of a recluse than most. It's not like he's Barry Bonds with his own reality show.

 

Come on, the gambling? The whining? The contract? You really don't think he doesn't draw attention to himself? When you sign a contract like that, you basically put a red x on your chest. Not saying I wouldn't have if I were him, and that I wouldn't love him playing SS or 3rd for the Cubs....