Deadspin wrong about Pujols and HGH

[CardsFanInChiTown]

A deeply regrettable wrong

 

Before we get started in on an extremely busy sports day, we have some business to attend to.

 

As many of you will remember, back in June, a source we thought was reliable leaked to us that one of the names in the infamous Jason Grimsley HGH affidavit was Chris Mihlfeld, who is the former trainer for Grimsley and the longtim trainer of Albert Pujols. As evidenced by the Los Angeles Times this weekend, our source was, sadly, wrong. And therefore, so were we: Mihlfeld appears not to be named in the document.

 

So, a clearing of the decks, a mea culpa: We were wrong to trust our source's information, and we were wrong to print their claim that he was in the document. We apologize to Mihlfeld and deeply regret the error.

[goonys evil twin]

I never thought the LA Times names was the complete list. Wasn't there supposed to be 100 names or something?

[mjohnson71]

Never trust a blog.

[wolf stansson]

They were also, according to Grimsley himself, wrong to implicate Pettitte and Clemens.

[Mizzou]

They were also, according to Grimsley himself, wrong to implicate Pettitte and Clemens.

Wait, so Grimsley came out and said that Pettitte and Clemens weren't some of the guys who he saw do roids? And didn't mention Tejada?

[wolf stansson]

They were also, according to Grimsley himself, wrong to implicate Pettitte and Clemens.

Wait, so Grimsley came out and said that Pettitte and Clemens weren't some of the guys who he saw do roids? And didn't mention Tejada?

According to ESPNNews, Grimsley's direct quote is "Never in a million years would Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens do performance enhancing drugs."

[Laura]

A deeply regrettable wrong

 

Before we get started in on an extremely busy sports day, we have some business to attend to.

 

As many of you will remember, back in June, a source we thought was reliable leaked to us that one of the names in the infamous Jason Grimsley HGH affidavit was Chris Mihlfeld, who is the former trainer for Grimsley and the longtim trainer of Albert Pujols. As evidenced by the Los Angeles Times this weekend, our source was, sadly, wrong. And therefore, so were we: Mihlfeld appears not to be named in the document.

 

So, a clearing of the decks, a mea culpa: We were wrong to trust our source's information, and we were wrong to print their claim that he was in the document. We apologize to Mihlfeld and deeply regret the error.

 

The apology is based on the LA Times story naming the Yankees trainer instead of the KC trainer based on sources revealing redacted information. Now the Feds are disputing the LA Times article, which is why everyone is apologizing left and right to Roger & Co. The whole Deadspin hysteria was based on the blanked out name in the affadavit being someone other than who the LA Times said that it was.

 

If DeadSpin trusted the source then, why apologize now? Do they have evidence that their source was wrong, or did they base it on the LA Times story, which now has been called into doubt? If they didn't trust it, why run it? There's no concrete evidence that their original take was wrong.

 

DeadSpin is fluffy overblown entertainment ... if they don't want to act like journalists when it gets serious, then they shouldn't expect to be taken seriously. It's pretty pathetic to apologize for a story that might actually be accurate just because the DeadSpin powers that be really wish that it weren't.

[goonys evil twin]

They were also, according to Grimsley himself, wrong to implicate Pettitte and Clemens.

Wait, so Grimsley came out and said that Pettitte and Clemens weren't some of the guys who he saw do roids? And didn't mention Tejada?

According to ESPNNews, Grimsley's direct quote is "Never in a million years would Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens do performance enhancing drugs."

 

I don't take his publicly spoken word with any value. He named names under pressure and now probably feels ashamed, and I assume is covering his butt.

 

Where there's smoke, there's often fire, and Clemens has more than enough smoke around him for me to think there could be a fire.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

[Mizzou]

They were also, according to Grimsley himself, wrong to implicate Pettitte and Clemens.

Wait, so Grimsley came out and said that Pettitte and Clemens weren't some of the guys who he saw do roids? And didn't mention Tejada?

According to ESPNNews, Grimsley's direct quote is "Never in a million years would Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens do performance enhancing drugs."

 

I don't take his publicly spoken word with any value. He named names under pressure and now probably feels ashamed, and I assume is covering his butt.

I really don't either, I just found it interesting that he was quick to say that about Clemens and Pettitte, yet didn't shoot down the Tejada rumor.

[Andy]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

Clemens is white.

 

Kidding.

[Guest]

so the article that said nothing about pujols was wrong and that proves pujols is clean?

[daske17]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

 

Clemens played for the Yankees and Red Sox. In the national media's mind, no player from either of those teams could ever do any wrong.

 

Look at the free pass Giambi, a confessed steroid user, and Sheffield got from the leaked grand jury testimony.

[soccer10k]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

 

Clemens played for the Yankees and Red Sox. In the national media's mind, no player from either of those teams could ever do any wrong.

 

Look at the free pass Giambi, a confessed steroid user, and Sheffield got from the leaked grand jury testimony.

 

Giambi got a free pass?

[goonys evil twin]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

 

Clemens played for the Yankees and Red Sox. In the national media's mind, no player from either of those teams could ever do any wrong.

 

Look at the free pass Giambi, a confessed steroid user, and Sheffield got from the leaked grand jury testimony.

 

Giambi got a free pass?

 

Compared to every other roid boy. He went through a rough couple months, but has been completely forgiven as soon as he started producing again.

[soccer10k]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

 

Clemens played for the Yankees and Red Sox. In the national media's mind, no player from either of those teams could ever do any wrong.

 

Look at the free pass Giambi, a confessed steroid user, and Sheffield got from the leaked grand jury testimony.

 

Giambi got a free pass?

 

Compared to every other roid boy. He went through a rough couple months, but has been completely forgiven as soon as he started producing again.

 

He got absolutely hammered by the press in 2004 and was ripped for part of 2005 as well until he started to hit. I would hardly consider that to be a free pass. Sheffield I'll agree with though.

[goonys evil twin]

He got absolutely hammered by the press in 2004 and was ripped for part of 2005 as well until he started to hit. I would hardly consider that to be a free pass. Sheffield I'll agree with though.

 

Maybe not a free pass, but I'll say a cheap pass. He was hammered, but it was quick and mostly painless. As soon as he produced for the Yanks all was forgiven.

[Soul]

Good point, Goony. Everyone is quick to call Sosa a "juicer" based on speculation and circumstatial evidence. Interesting that there is more circumstantial evidence pointing to Clemens as there is Sosa.

 

If Sosa is crucified, why not Clemens?

 

Clemens played for the Yankees and Red Sox. In the national media's mind, no player from either of those teams could ever do any wrong.

 

Look at the free pass Giambi, a confessed steroid user, and Sheffield got from the leaked grand jury testimony.

 

Giambi got a free pass?

 

Compared to every other roid boy. He went through a rough couple months, but has been completely forgiven as soon as he started producing again.

 

Agreed. Now Giambi's the golden child again---the face of the Yankees coming down on ARod because he just doesn't "fit in."

 

Oh, how wonderful it is that the Yankees got their butts handed to them by Detroit. Thanks be to God.

 

An oh, by the way: I still believe Clemens isn't clean. I don't care what anyone says, either. And I don't care if there's no proof. It's intuition. I had it regarding Palmiero, and it was eventually proven 100% right. Got that same feeling regarding Rocket. Put it this way: he's not doing what he's doing at his age on Flintstones vitamins.

[beer_man]

so the article that said nothing about pujols was wrong and that proves pujols is clean?

 

The original article everyone jumped on never mentioned Albert either, remember? It only talked about his trainer and everyone assumed. This article says they were wrong about the trainer.

[Guest]

so the article that said nothing about pujols was wrong and that proves pujols is clean?

 

The original article everyone jumped on never mentioned Albert either, remember? It only talked about his trainer and everyone assumed. This article says they were wrong about the trainer.

 

yea, that's my point. this no more proves his innocence than the original article proved his guilt.

[Catman61]

So you presume he is guilty until proven innocent?

 

Nice.

 

So how exactly does one go about proving a negative?

[wolf stansson]

So how exactly does one go about proving a negative?

That's the beauty of it; you don't have to. He is already guilty. It makes so much sense.

[Guest]

So you presume he is guilty until proven innocent?

 

Nice.

 

So how exactly does one go about proving a negative?

 

read it again. I'm not presuming anything. the whole point is that the original article proved nothing so this also proves nothing. tad bit defensive, aren't you guys?

[Catman61]

yea, that's my point. this no more proves his innocence

 

People who are innocent should not be expected to have to PROVE their innocence. Your statement implies that Pujols has to PROVE his innocence.

[littleburr24]

yea, that's my point. this no more proves his innocence

 

People who are innocent should not be expected to have to PROVE their innocence. Your statement implies that Pujols has to PROVE his innocence.

 

His statement does not imply that at all. He already stated that the original article did not prove Pujols of being guilty, just like this article does not prove Pujols is innocent. He's basically saying Pujols has no reason to be mentioned in either of these articles.