College sports vs. Pro sports

[soccer10k]

Not to mention, you lose one game and your season basically loses all meaning.

 

Personally, that makes it better for me because each game means something. If you lose one game, you're likely out of the National Title hunt. In the NFL you can lose a few games and still qualify for the postseason. So a loss isn't devastating. In college football, every game is important. You can't have a let down. Personally, I like that. I understand how somebody wouldn't but it works for me and entertains me. To each his own I guess.

[goonys evil twin]

Not to mention, you lose one game and your season basically loses all meaning.

 

Personally, that makes it better for me because each game means something. If you lose one game, you're likely out of the National Title hunt. In the NFL you can lose a few games and still qualify for the postseason. So a loss isn't devastating. In college football, every game is important. You can't have a let down. Personally, I like that. I understand how somebody wouldn't but it works for me and entertains me. To each his own I guess.

 

But it's not really true, because if your team has a rich history you stand a good chance of remaining high in the polls, and again, championships are determined by polls, and not games played.

[soccer10k]

Not to mention, you lose one game and your season basically loses all meaning.

 

Personally, that makes it better for me because each game means something. If you lose one game, you're likely out of the National Title hunt. In the NFL you can lose a few games and still qualify for the postseason. So a loss isn't devastating. In college football, every game is important. You can't have a let down. Personally, I like that. I understand how somebody wouldn't but it works for me and entertains me. To each his own I guess.

 

But it's not really true, because if your team has a rich history you stand a good chance of remaining high in the polls, and again, championships are determined by polls, and not games played.

 

A rich history means nothing if that school has a loss and there are two major conference teams in front of them that don't have a loss. Last year Penn St. was 10-1 but had no shot at the National Title game because Texas and USC were undefeated. That loss to Michigan was Penn St.'s season last year.

[goonys evil twin]

A rich history means nothing if that school has a loss and there are two major conference teams in front of them that don't have a loss. Last year Penn St. was 10-1 but had no shot at the National Title game because Texas and USC were undefeated. That loss to Michigan was Penn St.'s season last year.

 

Yeah, last year. It's usually not like that. It's usually 2 1 loss teams or 1 undefeated and 1 1 loss. And again, which 1 loss team is determined by polls.

[soccer10k]

A rich history means nothing if that school has a loss and there are two major conference teams in front of them that don't have a loss. Last year Penn St. was 10-1 but had no shot at the National Title game because Texas and USC were undefeated. That loss to Michigan was Penn St.'s season last year.

 

Yeah, last year. It's usually not like that. It's usually 2 1 loss teams or 1 undefeated and 1 1 loss. And again, which 1 loss team is determined by polls.

 

Four out of the eight BCS National Championship Games have featured 2 undefeated teams and three of those four years they were the only 2 undefeated teams in the nation (2004 was different with Auburn, USC, Oklahoma all finishing the regular season undefeated).

[Chocolate Milk]

A rich history means nothing if that school has a loss and there are two major conference teams in front of them that don't have a loss. Last year Penn St. was 10-1 but had no shot at the National Title game because Texas and USC were undefeated. That loss to Michigan was Penn St.'s season last year.

 

Yeah, last year. It's usually not like that. It's usually 2 1 loss teams or 1 undefeated and 1 1 loss. And again, which 1 loss team is determined by polls.

 

Four out of the eight BCS National Championship Games have featured 2 undefeated teams and three of those four years they were the only 2 undefeated teams in the nation (2004 was different with Auburn, USC, Oklahoma all finishing the regular season undefeated).

 

That's what Goony's saying 5 out of 8 years the decision has been totally subjective.

[Andy]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

As a for instance, Notre Dame went into the Stanford game last year needing a win to seal a BCS berth. They were 8-2 at the time, came out flat, and Stanford nearly beat them. In the NFL, that would've meant nothing, but since it was college, it was the difference between the Fiesta and Gator bowls, which is tremendous. Much more intense, and that's the way I like it.

[goonys evil twin]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

[Chocolate Milk]

And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

If you're rooting for a good team, three quarters of the game have no meaning or are never contested. Look at Texas last year. Where's the intensity in playing one difficult game before the championship? Every other game they won by between 25 and 70 points.

[Andy]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

SEC teams don't have 2 intense games a year. Neither do Big Ten teams, or really most other conference teams, period. Choc Milk used Texas as an example, but it's rare you see a team just totally outclassing everyone in its own conference. Hell, ND's played 5 games this year, and I'd say four of them (all but Purdue) were intense, either because of the opponent or because of what happened in the game.

 

However, I will grant that my feelings are probably colored by the fact that I never get to watch Carolina on TV, while I can watch every ND game.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

If you're rooting for a good team, three quarters of the game have no meaning or are never contested. Look at Texas last year. Where's the intensity in playing one difficult game before the championship? Every other game they won by between 25 and 70 points.

 

Texas is an extreme example. Look at ND last year, or Penn State, or Ohio State, or LSU, etc. all had half their games within 2 scores.

[NewUserName]

The NFL is predictable and boring if you ask me. I wouldnt even care at all if I hadnt been in a FFL for 20 years. Now that ESPN has gone to being all NFL all the time I have pretty much given up on them.

 

I spend most of my Saturdays during the fall watching or attending college FB games.

 

MLB is better than college baseball and I really dont watch a lot of BB at all. Though I do follow it during the tournament so I would have to go with college there also.

 

I would probably watch every pro hockey game that was on if I had some decent coverage.

[soccer10k]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

NFL players are playing because they are getting paid to do it. I'm sure they love the game and love to play but they are still getting paid. Just look at somebody like Ricky Williams. He played football because he was good at it and it was profitable. Go ahead and say what you want about $100 handshakes, but the college players aren't making millions every year. The NBA is WAY worse than the NFL as well.

[treebird]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

NFL players are playing because they are getting paid to do it. I'm sure they love the game and love to play but they are still getting paid. Just look at somebody like Ricky Williams. He played football because he was good at it and it was profitable. Go ahead and say what you want about $100 handshakes, but the college players aren't making millions every year. The NBA is WAY worse than the NFL as well.

 

so ricky played for love of the game in college and suddenly forgot about that upon reaching the pros?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

NFL players are playing because they are getting paid to do it. I'm sure they love the game and love to play but they are still getting paid. Just look at somebody like Ricky Williams. He played football because he was good at it and it was profitable. Go ahead and say what you want about $100 handshakes, but the college players aren't making millions every year. The NBA is WAY worse than the NFL as well.

 

so ricky played for love of the game in college and suddenly forgot about that upon reaching the pros?

 

the treeman has an excellent point.

[soccer10k]

I prefer having a lot more intensity involved, which is why I like college more, I think. Carolina started 0-2 this season. In college, that's disastrous, but in the pros, it's easy to rebound from if you've got the talent.

 

I don't see how the NFL isn't intense. If you're capable of watching a 162 game MLB season when the best teams lose 60 times, I think you can find the intensity after a team loses a game. Homefield advantage is still important. And besides, there's only about 2 intense games per team in college, the rest are cakewalks.

 

NFL players are playing because they are getting paid to do it. I'm sure they love the game and love to play but they are still getting paid. Just look at somebody like Ricky Williams. He played football because he was good at it and it was profitable. Go ahead and say what you want about $100 handshakes, but the college players aren't making millions every year. The NBA is WAY worse than the NFL as well.

 

so ricky played for love of the game in college and suddenly forgot about that upon reaching the pros?

 

Obviously my stance isn't absolute and doesn't hold true with every player. Frankly I have no idea what went/goes on inside of Ricky's head. Frankly, Ricky may be so high all the time that he might not know what goes on inside of his head.

[goonys evil twin]

Obviously my stance isn't absolute and doesn't hold true with every player. Frankly I have no idea what went/goes on inside of Ricky's head. Frankly, Ricky may be so high all the time that he might not know what goes on inside of his head.

 

This is my problem with the anti-NFL viewpoint. Like much of what we hear in baseball, I think it's based on conventional wisdom more than actual fact. From the beginning the pro version of football was thought of as the bastardized version of the "pure" college game. It's simply wrongheaded to think that way. I love both games. They are different, but college is in no way shape or form more intense. People who grow up around the college game and without much of a pro influence, tend to lean on the college game. In places without much college exposure but pro teams it's the other way (especially true in NY city area).

 

I understand preferring one over the other, the problem is people's explanations aren't all that accurate.

[Chocolate Milk]

Hey guys, if your looking for something to do tonight, there is a game on. Louisville vs. Middle Tennese State. Should be a real nailbiter. Louisville is on the road here so it might be tough to cover the 30 point spread.

 

:wink:

[soccer10k]

Obviously my stance isn't absolute and doesn't hold true with every player. Frankly I have no idea what went/goes on inside of Ricky's head. Frankly, Ricky may be so high all the time that he might not know what goes on inside of his head.

 

This is my problem with the anti-NFL viewpoint. Like much of what we hear in baseball, I think it's based on conventional wisdom more than actual fact. From the beginning the pro version of football was thought of as the bastardized version of the "pure" college game. It's simply wrongheaded to think that way. I love both games. They are different, but college is in no way shape or form more intense. People who grow up around the college game and without much of a pro influence, tend to lean on the college game. In places without much college exposure but pro teams it's the other way (especially true in NY city area).

 

I understand preferring one over the other, the problem is people's explanations aren't all that accurate.

 

And your views are correct and your explanations are accurate?

 

I said I like college sports better because of the atmosphere surrounding the college games mainly because of the students. You don't get that sort of support in the pro game.

[biittner77]

I said I like college sports better because of the atmosphere surrounding the college games mainly because of the students. You don't get that sort of support in the pro game.

 

I think the atmosphere revolved around winning. Good teams have good atmosphere. Bad teams typically don't have very large crowds.

 

It really depends on where you are. The biggest difference bewteen the two is that the average age of the fans is younger at a college game.

[goonys evil twin]

And your views are correct and your explanations are accurate?

 

I said I like college sports better because of the atmosphere surrounding the college games mainly because of the students. You don't get that sort of support in the pro game.

 

What correct? I said I like both. But I can understand why some prefer one over the other. It's the cliche, and wrong, reasonings that I have a problem with.

 

That kind of support? Okay, so you don't get 5000 19 year olds standing all game, preening for the ESPN cameras and hoping to hook up at most NFL games. I've been to student sections. I've been to a lot of them. And they aren't all they're cracked up to be. It's fun as hell, but they aren't crazy dedicated fans who come back year after year. They are taking advantage of the short window of getting away with doing what student sections do.

[J.R.]

College sports is an ugly business up-close. There's nothing "pure" about it.