Girardi Not Back w/ Marlins in 2007

[Balsa]

I'm thinking the Cubs management is ambivilant about Giardi.

 

Who will pick him up though?

 

Who else is ditching managers? Any chance Baker goes to Florida? :lol:

[A New Era]

I'm thinking the Cubs management is ambivilant about Giardi.

 

Who will pick him up though?

 

Who else is ditching managers? Any chance Baker goes to Florida? :lol:

 

The average player salary is probably $500k. They aren't going to pay their manager $2.5mil.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm thinking the Cubs management is ambivilant about Giardi.

 

Who will pick him up though?

 

Who else is ditching managers? Any chance Baker goes to Florida? :lol:

I don't think there's any way Dusty ends up there. If the Rangers fire Showalter, I could see him finding his way to Texas.

[Jehrico]

I know the Yankees would like him to succeed Torre, but I don't think the timing is right just yet.

[SouthSideRyan]

Southside Ryan wrote:

 

I have no clue what you're getting at. Are you arguing that Dusty Baker is a good manager? I never said or remotely implied that winning manager of the year means you aren't a good manager. My point is winning manager of the year means less than winning a gold glove.

 

As for the etc. in your manager of the year list, here's who they are:

 

Jimy Williams, Jerry Manuel, Larry Bowa, Don Baylor, Don Zimmer, Gene Lamont, JEFF TORBORG

 

SSR - Specifically what Managers had better years than the above managers you reference (apparently as undeserving) during the years they won Manager of the Year?

 

Better years?? Is managing really a year to year skill where a guy like Torborg can be an incredible manager one year, and be just horrendous every other year? The manager of the year award goes to the manager of the team that outperforms what idiot sportswriters thought the team would do before the season began. It has next to nothing to do with the job the manager did. Would you seriously be happy with former MOYs Williams, Manuel, Bowa, Baylor, Zimmer, Lamont, Torborg, or Dusty on the Cubs bench next year?

[hardcorecubfan]

let's think business wise, girardi takes a year off collects 1.5 million then gets back into it. what a way to screw the Marlins

[Backtobanks]

let's think business wise, girardi takes a year off collects 1.5 million then gets back into it. what a way to screw the Marlins

 

That might be what you or I might do, but most of these guys would take a job right away, especially if it's a desirable situation.

[NCCubFan]

That might be what you or I might do, but most of these guys would take a job right away, especially if it's a desirable situation.

Agreed. If he gets an offer he likes during the offseason he'd take it because the position wouldn't be available if he waits a year. What he could do is accept a low first-season salary from his new team, knowing that the Marlins would have to make up the difference. Mike Shanahan did something like that once. The first year after he was fired as head coach of the Raiders, he took a job as quarterbacks coach of the Broncos (the start of his relationship with John Elway) on a strictly voluntary basis because he still had time remaining on his Raiders contract, so he stuck it to the Raiders by making them pay for him to serve on the Broncos staff.

[C.C.]

Gary Gillette from ESPN.COM answered my question. Anyone else get the feeling he dislikes the Cubs? Although, it's a pretty funny reply...:

 

cubbiechris (chicago, IL): Who is the Cubs manager in 2007?

 

SportsNation Gary Gillette: (4:06 PM ET ) I think Girardi, but with the full-of-themself mismanagement that is the Cubs' front office, anything is possible. Maybe they'll bring back Tom Treblehorn.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Gary Gillette from ESPN.COM answered my question. Anyone else get the feeling he dislikes the Cubs? Although, it's a pretty funny reply...:

 

cubbiechris (chicago, IL): Who is the Cubs manager in 2007?

 

SportsNation Gary Gillette: (4:06 PM ET ) I think Girardi, but with the full-of-themself mismanagement that is the Cubs' front office, anything is possible. Maybe they'll bring back Tom Treblehorn.

 

Gillette is the same no-talent hack that thought he'd be cute and refer to the Cubs as Flubs in a previous chat. What's funny, if one reads through his chats, it's pretty clear he has no more inside info than you are I do. He just speculates...maybe tries to listen in on a few of Kurkijan's phone calls, but he's not a good writer and I've found he's rarely had anything insightful to write.

[Backtobanks]

Gary Gillette from ESPN.COM answered my question. Anyone else get the feeling he dislikes the Cubs? Although, it's a pretty funny reply...:

 

cubbiechris (chicago, IL): Who is the Cubs manager in 2007?

 

SportsNation Gary Gillette: (4:06 PM ET ) I think Girardi, but with the full-of-themself mismanagement that is the Cubs' front office, anything is possible. Maybe they'll bring back Tom Treblehorn.

 

Gillette is the same no-talent hack that thought he'd be cute and refer to the Cubs as Flubs in a previous chat. What's funny, if one reads through his chats, it's pretty clear he has no more inside info than you are I do. He just speculates...maybe tries to listen in on a few of Kurkijan's phone calls, but he's not a good writer and I've found he's rarely had anything insightful to write.

 

What I have found over the years is that very few of these "experts" have any more inside info than most of us do. I think a bunch of them go strictly on speculation (i.e. the Cubs need power, so the Cubs are interested in Soriano. The Cubs need power and a CF, they might try Soriano in CF or trade for Andruw Jones) I have seen more "tips" and on NSBB than what you get from the "experts". To tell the truth I think many of their ideas come from sites like NSBB.

[Magnetic Curses]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

Why choose Depodesta? He wasn't exactly a success in LA

 

because he was there for a cup of coffee? if you want to be short-sighted, he DID make the playoffs in one out of two years. but yet he is somehow to blame when the team floundered last season?

[Banedon]

because he was there for a cup of coffee? if you want to be short-sighted, he DID make the playoffs in one out of two years. but yet he is somehow to blame when the team floundered last season?

 

I don't think either the Tribune or MacPhail sees it that way, though I agree with you.

[C.C.]

I see Barry Rozner is jumping on the Girardi and Kranitz bandwagon:

Just as important as how quickly the Cubs can move on Joe Girardi when the season ends is how quickly they can move on his coaching staff.

 

The current Cubs staff has done much developing and teaching, and whether you think that’s their job or not, that’s life today at the big-league level.

 

And that means the hiring of Marlins pitching coach Rick Kranitz is the key to next year’s staff, especially after the miracles he worked with a rookie-filled roster in 2006.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=231905

[CuseCubFan69]

I hope this Girardi for manager doesn't become a hometown thing. Hopefully Hendry will pick the best candidate and not bow to the pressure of picking Girardi jsut because the "fans" and press are calling for it.

 

I also have a strange feeling Rothschild may be back. Hendry is loyal to a faulty and Rothschild turned down the Tiger job so Hendry may reward that by keeping him on.