Are the Cubs really going to consider resigning Pierre?

[CuseCubFan69]

GOOD NEWS! Pierre said he'd love to play for Ozzie!

 

''Yeah, I love Ozzie,'' Pierre said of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, his former third-base coach during the Florida Marlins' World Series championship season in 2003. ''I know how he is as a person. He talks, but you go out there and play hard with no excuses, and you get along with him. Just knowing him and being around him for so long, and winning the World Series with him, yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind playing for Ozzie.''

 

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And Hendry, not to be bested by the Sox yet again, signs Pierre to a 4 year 42 Million dollar deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Please let the White Sox sign Pierre....

[E.J.]

GOOD NEWS! Pierre said he'd love to play for Ozzie!

 

''Yeah, I love Ozzie,'' Pierre said of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, his former third-base coach during the Florida Marlins' World Series championship season in 2003. ''I know how he is as a person. He talks, but you go out there and play hard with no excuses, and you get along with him. Just knowing him and being around him for so long, and winning the World Series with him, yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind playing for Ozzie.''

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/72254,CST-SPT-deluca26.article

 

After reading that article, it sounds like Pierre is dead set on testing free agency, which I think is a good thing for us. It makes it much less likely that he'll be back next year. Here's another quote from the Suntimes article:

 

But it's clear the speedy leadoff hitter is determined to test the market. The Cubs' best chance of keeping Pierre, 29, is retaining manager Dusty Baker -- and that's simply not going to happen.

 

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

''I'm still sitting down with my agent and seeing what is best for me. As a player, you play six years to call your shot for one time. This is probably the peak of my career and this will be my only chance as far as my age and things like that where I will be in a position like this. So I am definitely weighing my options to see what is best for me.''

[C.C.]

GOOD NEWS! Pierre said he'd love to play for Ozzie!

 

''Yeah, I love Ozzie,'' Pierre said of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, his former third-base coach during the Florida Marlins' World Series championship season in 2003. ''I know how he is as a person. He talks, but you go out there and play hard with no excuses, and you get along with him. Just knowing him and being around him for so long, and winning the World Series with him, yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind playing for Ozzie.''

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/72254,CST-SPT-deluca26.article

 

After reading that article, it sounds like Pierre is dead set on testing free agency, which I think is a good thing for us. It makes it much less likely that he'll be back next year. Here's another quote from the Suntimes article:

 

But it's clear the speedy leadoff hitter is determined to test the market. The Cubs' best chance of keeping Pierre, 29, is retaining manager Dusty Baker -- and that's simply not going to happen.

 

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

''I'm still sitting down with my agent and seeing what is best for me. As a player, you play six years to call your shot for one time. This is probably the peak of my career and this will be my only chance as far as my age and things like that where I will be in a position like this. So I am definitely weighing my options to see what is best for me.''

 

Yet, another reason to get rid of Dusty. And quite honestly it's almost stupid to sign him for another 3 years, unless you don't have faith in Pie. Why waste 8-10 million a year on him when Pie is so close? Spend the money on up-grading your pitching.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I still haven't heard the verdict on compensation picks, but it's clear the Cubs should offer Pierre arbitration. He wants a multi-year deal, so he'll reject it. If compensation picks are still the rule, the Cubs will likely get a second round pick from the team that signs him.

[Lefty]

I still haven't heard the verdict on compensation picks, but it's clear the Cubs should offer Pierre arbitration. He wants a multi-year deal, so he'll reject it. If compensation picks are still the rule, the Cubs will likely get a second round pick from the team that signs him.

 

Until the new collective bargaining agreement is in place, the compensation scheme remains. Of course when we sign Edmonds we will lose our second pick which will be much higher.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I still haven't heard the verdict on compensation picks, but it's clear the Cubs should offer Pierre arbitration. He wants a multi-year deal, so he'll reject it. If compensation picks are still the rule, the Cubs will likely get a second round pick from the team that signs him.

 

Until the new collective bargaining agreement is in place, the compensation scheme remains. Of course when we sign Edmonds we will lose our second pick which will be much higher.

 

If the Cardinals decline Edmonds option, they will not offer him arbitration. He could then accept the arbitration offer, collect the three million buy-out, and then likely make more than the declined remainder of the contract.

[louisvillecub]

Dear Juan Pierre: good riddance.

 

Love, Louisvillecub

[BigbadB]

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

Is he the best manager you ever played for because he plays you everyday and lets you bat first no matter how bad you are at getting on base?

 

One manager gets you to a World Series. Another one gets you to last place. The guy who gets you to last place is the best manager you ever played for? :drunken:

 

I think it's all getting much more clear why people like to play for Dusty Baker. It's all about "veteran" playing time.

[MustangMike]

GOOD NEWS! Pierre said he'd love to play for Ozzie!

 

''Yeah, I love Ozzie,'' Pierre said of Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, his former third-base coach during the Florida Marlins' World Series championship season in 2003. ''I know how he is as a person. He talks, but you go out there and play hard with no excuses, and you get along with him. Just knowing him and being around him for so long, and winning the World Series with him, yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind playing for Ozzie.''

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/72254,CST-SPT-deluca26.article

 

After reading that article, it sounds like Pierre is dead set on testing free agency, which I think is a good thing for us. It makes it much less likely that he'll be back next year. Here's another quote from the Suntimes article:

 

But it's clear the speedy leadoff hitter is determined to test the market. The Cubs' best chance of keeping Pierre, 29, is retaining manager Dusty Baker -- and that's simply not going to happen.

 

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

''I'm still sitting down with my agent and seeing what is best for me. As a player, you play six years to call your shot for one time. This is probably the peak of my career and this will be my only chance as far as my age and things like that where I will be in a position like this. So I am definitely weighing my options to see what is best for me.''

 

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

[goonys evil twin]

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

Is he the best manager you ever played for because he plays you everyday and lets you bat first no matter how bad you are at getting on base?

 

One manager gets you to a World Series. Another one gets you to last place. The guy who gets you to last place is the best manager you ever played for? :drunken:

 

I think it's all getting much more clear why people like to play for Dusty Baker. It's all about "veteran" playing time.

 

Add in Nevin's comments about making a call to Dusty this offseason and it's pretty clear mediocre veterans are his biggest supporters.

[goonys evil twin]

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

 

Yes he is.

 

The Cubs single great offensive weakness is the lack of OBP, and that ties to an unwillingness to take walks.

 

In other words, the Cubs aren't good offensively because they make outs too frequently. And Pierre is part of that very large problem.

 

Hit totals don't mean anything.

[CuseCubFan69]

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

Is he the best manager you ever played for because he plays you everyday and lets you bat first no matter how bad you are at getting on base?

 

One manager gets you to a World Series. Another one gets you to last place. The guy who gets you to last place is the best manager you ever played for? :drunken:

 

I think it's all getting much more clear why people like to play for Dusty Baker. It's all about "veteran" playing time.

 

Amazing isn't it? I never want to see Pierre become a manger then, well for the Cubs, he can manage the Cards.

 

Maybe Pierre can sign with whatever team that hires Baker. 2 gone, a few more to go.

[BigbadB]

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

 

Juan Pierre in 2006- .330 OBP

Alex Sanchez career- .329 OBP

 

Juan Pierre today- 6m MLB CF Free Agent looking for a long term contract.

Alex Sanchez today- AAA

 

Pierre is 29. Sanchez is 30. They are virtually the same player. Slap hitting single's hitters with blazing speed. All that speed does no good if you can't get on base. A .330 OBP belongs at the bottom of a batting order if it belongs anywhere in your line up at all. Period.

[BigbadB]

Pierre did have value at one time. But, it appears those days are over. Let some other team, that sees "speed" at the top of the order as a bonus, sign him to that long term deal.

 

I want to see two guys at the top of the order who actually GET ON BASE frequently.

 

I'd be quite pleased with Lugo and Loretta at the top of the order. Lugo and Murton would work too.

 

Murton has a career OBP of .365. He's had 572 major league at bats and he's scored 83 times. Pierre has nearly 100 more at bats this year than Murton has had in his career and Pierre has 83 runs scored this year. Pierre is batting in front of the boppers. Murton has been batting behind the boppers.

 

Murton gets on base more than Pierre and is a better option to hit at the top of the order. It can't really be explained much more clear than this. Guys who get on base more often score more often.

[Magnetic Curses]

brady clark has more actual value than pierre while having less perceived value.

 

he will be less than half of what pierre will make next season, plus, we'd get some sort of compensation for letting him go. the brewers would probably take a player like guzman for clark, especially since he's not really in their future plans.

[CuseCubFan69]

Pierre did have value at one time. But, it appears those days are over. Let some other team, that sees "speed" at the top of the order as a bonus, sign him to that long term deal.

 

I want to see two guys at the top of the order who actually GET ON BASE frequently.

 

I'd be quite pleased with Lugo and Loretta at the top of the order. Lugo and Murton would work too.

 

Murton has a career OBP of .365. He's had 572 major league at bats and he's scored 83 times. Pierre has nearly 100 more at bats this year than Murton has had in his career and Pierre has 83 runs scored this year. Pierre is batting in front of the boppers. Murton has been batting behind the boppers.

 

Murton gets on base more than Pierre and is a better option to hit at the top of the order. It can't really be explained much more clear than this. Guys who get on base more often score more often.

 

But is Murton fast enough to hit at the top of the order...I don't think so! :D

 

I'm not that thrilled with Loretta unless the Cubs can get him cheap. There has to be something about the guy since he seems to be on a different team every year.

[daske17]

But is Murton fast enough to hit at the top of the order...I don't think so! :D

 

I'm not that thrilled with Loretta unless the Cubs can get him cheap. There has to be something about the guy since he seems to be on a different team every year.

 

He's only been on two teams in the past three years. It just seems like more because he always comes up in mid-season trade talks.

 

I think he'd be a solid pick-up for the Cubs and a good placeholder until EPatt is ready to come up. I wouldn't mind a 2-year deal for him. Of course, the irony of his career is that he's a right-handed Todd Walker.

[mg420]

the riot can lead off and murton can hit #2 if pierre isnt re-signed.

[Guest]

I still haven't heard the verdict on compensation picks, but it's clear the Cubs should offer Pierre arbitration. He wants a multi-year deal, so he'll reject it. If compensation picks are still the rule, the Cubs will likely get a second round pick from the team that signs him.

I'd be willing to bet that Pierre is a type-A free agent based on the Elias system.

[frostwyrm]

Pierre was our most valuable trading chip at the deadline, now he'll walk and we'll get nothing but some draft picks, which obviously doesn't help us compete next year. But then maybe we'll just end up paying full market value to bring him back. Either way the situation has been badly bungled.

[C.C.]

Pierre was our most valuable trading chip at the deadline, now he'll walk and we'll get nothing but some draft picks, which obviously doesn't help us compete next year. But then maybe we'll just end up paying full market value to bring him back. Either way the situation has been badly bungled.

 

ARAM might walk also and you got nothing for him either...

[frostwyrm]

''It will weigh in,'' Pierre said of Baker's fate playing a role in his decision. ''There are a lot of question marks. Dusty will be a factor because he is the best manager I've ever played for. I respect him a lot.

 

Is he the best manager you ever played for because he plays you everyday and lets you bat first no matter how bad you are at getting on base?

 

One manager gets you to a World Series. Another one gets you to last place. The guy who gets you to last place is the best manager you ever played for? :drunken:

 

I think it's all getting much more clear why people like to play for Dusty Baker. It's all about "veteran" playing time.

 

Add in Nevin's comments about making a call to Dusty this offseason and it's pretty clear mediocre veterans are his biggest supporters.

One thing I learned from Dusty's tenure is how self-interested most baseball players are. When a player says "so-and-so is the best manager", it means "so-and-so is the best manager FOR ME", not for the TEAM.

[Rob]

Pierre was our most valuable trading chip at the deadline, now he'll walk and we'll get nothing but some draft picks, which obviously doesn't help us compete next year. But then maybe we'll just end up paying full market value to bring him back. Either way the situation has been badly bungled.

 

We'll be lucky if we get draft picks. Rumor has it that the upcoming CBA isn't going to include compensation picks anymore. Keeping the sandwich picks certainly isn't out of the question, but getting another team's first rounder seems very very unlikely at this point.

 

Holding on to him was quite possibly the worst mistake Hendry made this season.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Holding on to him was quite possibly the worst mistake Hendry made this season.

 

No, it wasn't as bad as trading for him in the first place. He wasn't going to get as much as he gave up. Plus, trading for him for pretty much determined, in advance, that the outfield would not be productive this year.