Jacque Jones Appreciation

[Bruno7481]

His has put up very solid numbers this year. He has received a lot of criticism, since the signing and throughout the year. He has his shortcoming throwing the ball obviously, but offensively he has outperformed the expectations of many around here.

 

Just wanted to post some positive thoughts on Jones.

[CuseCubFan69]

And he has gotten rid of the grub problem in right field by throwing the ball right at them!

 

Jock has been fine and has had a better year than Burnitz did last year. If the Cubs could get a decent enough lineup to bat Jones 7th I'd be thrilled.

[Soriano12]

While I don't think he is the long term solution in RF......we could have done

alot worse given his modest salary.

Edited September 17, 2006 by Soriano12

[Backtobanks]

I appreciate the fact that he runs out every ground ball.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While he has performed better than I thought he would, his OBP isn't as high as I hoped it would be.

 

He's a nice complementary player. The problem is that we have too many f these types.

[Bruno7481]

While he has performed better than I thought he would, his OBP isn't as high as I hoped it would be.

 

He's a nice complementary player. The problem is that we have too many f these types.

 

He is what he is, he's never going to have gaudy OBP numbers. But he has a good chance to finish the season with a .500+ SLG (currently .498).

 

Hard to complain about his overall production this year.

[USSoccer]

I appreciate the fact that he runs out every ground ball.

 

Yeah, that's the sort of trait that wins baseball games...

 

That aside, if the Cubs had a better CF, SS or 2B you can deal with Jones in RF batting 6th or 7th. He had a nice power year. I still think what would be best for him would be a platoon situation.

Edited September 17, 2006 by USSoccer

[Twiggy]

He has really come on as of late compared to the first month of the season. Same could be said for Pierre also. What sucks is they both have terrible arms.

[Soriano12]

Strenght wise...there is power in Jones arm. IMO.

 

His throws are so eratic though. I'm hoping for a coaching staff in 07 that

actually instructs, and can harness his wildness on throws.

[Sammy Sofa]

Strenght wise...there is power in Jones arm. IMO.

 

His throws are so eratic though. I'm hoping for a coaching staff in 07 that

actually instructs, and can harness his wildness on throws.

 

True. He can gun it. He just needs to figure out how to aim.

 

Jacque has performed very serviceably. On a team with more big hitters, he'd be a very nice #6 hitter. As it stands, his contract still ticks me off and management not finding a platoon partner ticks me off even more.

[CuseCubFan69]

I appreciate the fact that he runs out every ground ball.

 

Yeah, that's the sort of trait that wins baseball games...

That aside, if the Cubs had a better CF, SS or 2B you can deal with Jones in RF batting 6th or 7th. He had a nice power year. I still think what would be best for him would be a platoon situation.

 

It doesn't hurt.

[USSoccer]

I appreciate the fact that he runs out every ground ball.

 

Yeah, that's the sort of trait that wins baseball games...

That aside, if the Cubs had a better CF, SS or 2B you can deal with Jones in RF batting 6th or 7th. He had a nice power year. I still think what would be best for him would be a platoon situation.

 

It doesn't hurt.

 

Nor does it help.

[Soriano12]

As it stands, his contract still ticks me off

 

Mind you...I'm as critical of Hendry as anyone...but at 5/Mil a season..is it really that bad of deal? It seems border-line bench players are getting near 5 a season these days.

 

 

Lets say we find a better option in the OF(ie Felix Pie) it won't hard to

find a trading parter for Jones.

[UK1679666180]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

[Sammy Sofa]

As it stands, his contract still ticks me off

 

Mind you...I'm as critical of Hendry as anyone...but at 5/Mil a season..is it really that bad of deal? It seems border-line bench players are getting near 5 a season these days.

 

It's less the money and more the 3 years. Jacque, in my book, is a 1 or 2 year player at this point, and 2 is being generous.

 

Isn't his total deal for $16 million?

[Soriano12]

As it stands, his contract still ticks me off

 

Mind you...I'm as critical of Hendry as anyone...but at 5/Mil a season..is it really that bad of deal? It seems border-line bench players are getting near 5 a season these days.

 

It's less the money and more the 3 years. Jacque, in my book, is a 1 or 2 year player at this point, and 2 is being generous.

 

Isn't his total deal for $16 million?

 

Probably. I think he will be gone by the third year regardless.

 

I mean...someone took Neifi at 2+ million with another year left!

[USSoccer]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

 

It's more of an observation made at the real target of the "running out ground balls" comment. Given who generally is the target of the "hustle" crtitiques, I'd rather he not sprint every single ground ball out because the likelihood of injury to a relatively slow player is higher than the liklihood of a bad throw on a routine ground ball.

 

It's not like I don't want players to hustle, but in general I'll take a max talent guy over a max effort guy 100 times out of 100.

[Sammy Sofa]

As it stands, his contract still ticks me off

 

Mind you...I'm as critical of Hendry as anyone...but at 5/Mil a season..is it really that bad of deal? It seems border-line bench players are getting near 5 a season these days.

 

It's less the money and more the 3 years. Jacque, in my book, is a 1 or 2 year player at this point, and 2 is being generous.

 

Isn't his total deal for $16 million?

 

Probably. I think he will be gone by the third year regardless.

 

I mean...someone took Neifi at 2+ million with another year left!

 

Multiple people making similar stupid decisions doesn't suddenly make it OK.

 

Obviously, Jacque is better than Neifi, but his signing serves mostly to highlight how poorly Hendry has gone about reshaping and rebuilding this team since 2004.

[Soriano12]

Multiple people making similar stupid decisions doesn't suddenly make it OK.

 

Agree. Thanks for bringing me in-line with that post.

 

OMFG...I was starting to defend Hendry.

 

:!:

[CuseCubFan69]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

 

It's more of an observation made at the real target of the "running out ground balls" comment. Given who generally is the target of the "hustle" crtitiques, I'd rather he not sprint every single ground ball out because the likelihood of injury to a relatively slow player is higher than the liklihood of a bad throw on a routine ground ball.

 

It's not like I don't want players to hustle, but in general I'll take a max talent guy over a max effort guy 100 times out of 100.

 

So the runners had had more injuires than Cedeno, Walker or Ramirez had errors? I don't think so USS.

[USSoccer]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

 

It's more of an observation made at the real target of the "running out ground balls" comment. Given who generally is the target of the "hustle" crtitiques, I'd rather he not sprint every single ground ball out because the likelihood of injury to a relatively slow player is higher than the liklihood of a bad throw on a routine ground ball.

 

It's not like I don't want players to hustle, but in general I'll take a max talent guy over a max effort guy 100 times out of 100.

 

So the runners had had more injuires than Cedeno, Walker or Ramirez had errors? I don't think so USS.

 

Huh? I'm confusing myself.

 

Let me clarify: Given the choice between making Ramirez run as hard as possible and risking a leg injury, or dealing with him occasionally jogging a ball out and getting him healthy for a full season, I'll take the latter.

 

I apologize for hijacking the thread, though.

Edited September 17, 2006 by USSoccer

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

 

It's more of an observation made at the real target of the "running out ground balls" comment. Given who generally is the target of the "hustle" crtitiques, I'd rather he not sprint every single ground ball out because the likelihood of injury to a relatively slow player is higher than the liklihood of a bad throw on a routine ground ball.

 

It's not like I don't want players to hustle, but in general I'll take a max talent guy over a max effort guy 100 times out of 100.

 

So the runners had had more injuires than Cedeno, Walker or Ramirez had errors? I don't think so USS.

 

But on many of those errors it doesn't matter if the guy ran hard, slow, or backwards. That's not the right comparison.

[CubColtPacer]

Jones has been a very good player for the money this year. In fact, looking through other teams, I can't find many better bargains among the RF's who have hit FA already, and plenty of people who are producing the same or much less for more money (obviously, those who haven't are a much better bargain). Is the 3 years a potential problem? Definitely-but at least for this year, Jones has been very good.

 

Now-management, go out and sign a platoon partner for him! That will make RF a good to great position instead of the above average position it has been this year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jones has been a very good player for the money this year. In fact, looking through other teams, I can't find many better bargains among the RF's who have hit FA already, and plenty of people who are producing the same or much less for more money (obviously, those who haven't are a much better bargain). Is the 3 years a potential problem? Definitely-but at least for this year, Jones has been very good.

 

Now-management, go out and sign a platoon partner for him! That will make RF a good to great position instead of the above average position it has been this year.

 

If Jacque Jones merges with, say, Craig Wilson next year, THEN I'll happily and heartily appreciate him on a daily basis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sounded weird.

[CuseCubFan69]

Sure it does and depending on the situation if the defender bobbles it or throws it poorly, increases the chances of getting on base. Also, there's nothing negative that can come from running out a play.

 

Would you rather not have them run it out? Do you want them to not hustle?

 

It's more of an observation made at the real target of the "running out ground balls" comment. Given who generally is the target of the "hustle" crtitiques, I'd rather he not sprint every single ground ball out because the likelihood of injury to a relatively slow player is higher than the liklihood of a bad throw on a routine ground ball.

 

It's not like I don't want players to hustle, but in general I'll take a max talent guy over a max effort guy 100 times out of 100.

 

So the runners had had more injuires than Cedeno, Walker or Ramirez had errors? I don't think so USS.

 

Huh?

 

Let me clarify: Given the choice between making Ramirez run as hard as possible and risking a leg injury, or dealing with him occasionally jogging a ball out and getting him healthy for a full season, I'll take the latter.

 

I'll clarify too. If you have a groundball hit to you and you knwo the guy is going to jog down you have plenty of time and can relax with the throw compared to a guy hustling and you have to get the ball of without a hitch.

 

I'll take a max talent guy too but watching a guy jog down the line is just wrong. Ramirez and players like him should learn how to stretch and keep in shape thus the injury thing would decrease dramatically.