09/13 Los Angeles (Penny) @ CUBS (Guzman) 7:05 CT, WGNTV

[E.J.]

I think Len has some man love for Murton. :D

 

 

Hit it hard, but a long out.

[CubColtPacer]

What the heck was Anderson doing there?

 

BTW Raisin, just for your pitching line, Guz had 2 BB's and 1 H given up in the first-you have it the other way around.

 

Actually, we're both wrong. He had 2 hits (Furcal, Kent) and 2 BBs.

 

Gooz: 2 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 2 BB, 1 K, 36 pitches.

 

LOL..that we were, thanks for the correction.

[CubColtPacer]

I didn't notice that was post #1000..should have looked at that I guess.

 

Does anybody think the air is pretty heavy tonight? I thought at least 1 of those 3 balls we have hit should have gone out, and at least 1 more should have hit the wall. I was definitely surprised when all 3 of them were caught on the warning track.

[YearofDaCubs]

Furcal is better than PIerre IMO.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Well, the air isn't heavy enough to hold Furcal.

 

Angel should have beaned him, instead. :evil:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

On the LA broadcast, they just showed a fan with a paper bag on his face.

[CubColtPacer]

Furcal is better than PIerre IMO.

 

I don't think very many people would question that-it's just if he was worth 13 million for a slightly above average offensive shortstop that has serious question marks defensively as well.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Gooz: 3 IP, 2 ER, 5 H, 2 BB, 1 K, 46 pitches.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Furcal is better than PIerre IMO.

 

I don't think very many people would question that-it's just if he was worth 13 million for a slightly above average offensive shortstop that has serious question marks defensively as well.

 

Furcal has serious question marks defensively? That's news to me.

 

To be fair, the price for Pierre is 3 pitching prospects, including 2 top-10 prospects.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Juan Pierre, 4-3...go figure.

[FergieJ31]

Remember in '03 and '04 when we kept hearing Guzman might eventually be even better than Prior? Little did we know how low Prior would set the bar this year, so that prediction almost turned out to be true for all the wrong reasons... :( Edited September 14, 2006 by FergieJ31

[CubColtPacer]

Furcal is better than PIerre IMO.

 

I don't think very many people would question that-it's just if he was worth 13 million for a slightly above average offensive shortstop that has serious question marks defensively as well.

 

Furcal has serious question marks defensively? That's news to me.

 

To be fair, the price for Pierre is 3 pitching prospects, including 2 top-10 prospects.

 

I live near Atlanta, and the overall feeling during his time in Atlanta was that Furcal made some plays that other shortstops might not make, but he made so many errors-especially throwing errors that gave the other team too many baserunners and extra bases that they shouldn't have. What did they say he had this year-24 errors? He's not nearly as bad as his errors would suggest, but I don't think his overall impact is any more than average at SS.

 

As far as the second point, I think the price for Pierre was even crazier than the price for Furcal was-Furcal would have been a better move, but neither of them would have been good moves IMO.

[illiniguy]

Remember in '03 and '04 when we kept hearing Guzman might eventually be even better than Prior? Little did we know how low Prior would set the bar this year, so that prediction almost turned out to be true for all the wrong reasons... :(

Even with the low bar I wouldn't say he is better until he wins a game.

[FergieJ31]

Little did we know how low Prior would set the bar this year, so that prediction almost turned out to be true for all the wrong reasons.

Even with the low bar I wouldn't say he is better until he wins a game.

 

No one is claiming that, of course, even if he wins tonight.

Edited September 14, 2006 by FergieJ31

[CaliforniaRaisin]

THAT'S a basehit?

[illiniguy]

Little did we know how low Prior would set the bar this year, so that prediction almost turned out to be true for all the wrong reasons.

Even with the low bar I wouldn't say he is better until he wins a game.

 

No one is claiming that, of course, even if he wins tonight.

Fair enough.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Guzman: 4 IP, 2 ER, 6 H, 3 BB, 1 K, 67 pitches.

[Jim Ignatowski]

Congrats to Texas' Gary Matthews, Jr. who tonight hit for the natural cycle (1B,2B,3B,HR). The 7th AL player to do so.

[FergieJ31]

Congrats to Texas' Gary Matthews, Jr. who tonight hit for the natural cycle (1B,2B,3B,HR). The 7th AL player to do so.

 

One of my fave ex-Cubs - nice work Junior.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Maybe I am imagining things, but Aramis is breaking bats at a prodigious rate.

[illiniguy]

I loathe Furcal.

[SouthSideRyan]

On the LA broadcast, they just showed a fan with a paper bag on his face.

 

Bleachers?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

On the LA broadcast, they just showed a fan with a paper bag on his face.

 

Bleachers?

 

Yup.

[Mizzou]

So this is Guzman's 10th start this year, and he's had a total of one successful one.

[SouthSideRyan]

On the LA broadcast, they just showed a fan with a paper bag on his face.

 

Bleachers?

 

Yup.

 

When the baghead revolution comes, you'll all have me to thank.