[Magnetic Curses]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

lilly is just not that good. he's never thrown 200 innings in a year and his era plus is 97, not good. tell me, why do you like lilly, again?

[C.C.]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

[Shilzzz]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

has zito been quoting as having said something along those lines?

[Soriano12]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

Even if you have to tack on a 3rd year for Schimdt I'd do it.

 

Sadly I think Schmidt has already booked his first class ticket to

Seattle. He would not be a bad move at all.

Injury-wise I think he will stay healthy simply because it appears he is

relying on his fastball less and phsyically he appears in top shape

Edited September 7, 2006 by Soriano12

[Magnetic Curses]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

you know this for a fact, or are you just speculating?

 

he's 28, has 101 big league wins, a 129 era+, and is about to break the 200 inning mark for the 6th straight time and not an "elite" pitcher? wow.

Edited September 7, 2006 by Stannis

[Shilzzz]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

Even if you have to tack on a 3rd year for Schimdt I'd do it.

 

Sadly I think Schmidt has already booked his first class ticket to

Seattle. He would not be a bad move at all.

Injury-wise I think he will stay healthy simply because it appears he is

relying on his fastball more and phsyically he appears in top shape

 

schmidt would be a better choice than zito. hendry should do what it takes, because if you don't throw at least one top of the rotation guy in here, it looks very bad going into next year.

 

Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Guzman?, Marshall? 0_o

 

Lilly is NOT a number two, maybe as a number four i'll take him.

[C.C.]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

has zito been quoting as having said something along those lines?

 

No, but I don't see him wanting to come here. If you had comparable offers from the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, or the Cubs who would you choose? The only way the Cubs get Zito is to overpay greatly for him. Which won't happen.

[Soriano12]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

you know this for a fact, or are you just speculating?

 

he's 28, has 101 big league wins, a 129 era+ and not an "elite" pitcher?

 

Yes. Zito will get 15 a year. Boston will need to spend to get themselves out of the Beckett trade fiasco, and the Yankees simply don't care what they spend as long as they get the player they want.

 

It will be a massive bidding war.

Edited September 7, 2006 by Soriano12

[C.C.]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

Even if you have to tack on a 3rd year for Schimdt I'd do it.

 

Sadly I think Schmidt has already booked his first class ticket to

Seattle. He would not be a bad move at all.

Injury-wise I think he will stay healthy simply because it appears he is

relying on his fastball more and phsyically he appears in top shape

 

schmidt would be a better choice than zito. hendry should do what it takes, because if you don't throw at least one top of the rotation guy in here, it looks very bad going into next year.

Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Guzman?, Marshall? 0_o

 

Lilly is NOT a number two, maybe as a number four i'll take him.

 

That is makings of a brutal year. You need another impact vet in that rotation. If not FA then make a trade...

[C.C.]

Disgruntled,

 

You are the only person, besides myself, I have seen throw out the name Padilla (though I haven't been on this board long). The way I see it, if you can get Schmidt or Zito for the number 2 - and Zito does seem like a long shot - then having Hill as a number 3 and Padilla as 4 with either Marshall or Prior filling out the rotation, we'd be in great shape. If we could get Durham at 2nd and have a lineup of - Pierre, Durham, Lee, Ramirez, Jones, Murton, Barrett, Izturez, that would be a very competitive team. What do people think of Padilla as the lower priced, innings guy? I am concerned that the current crop of FA pitchers may make him too expensive, though. Especially after the top 3 get taken.

I say NO to Zito because he will command too much money and IMO not worth it for a 3.5era pitcher. I would love to have Schmidt but only for a 2 year deal which is unlikely. I would like to see Lilly to be honest.

 

Z, Hill, Lilly, Guzman, Prior/Mateo/Marmol/Marshall

 

Yeah, it's not the best rotation but it might work out.

 

zito has a career 3.54 era in the AMERICAN LEAGUE. his career era+ is 129, quite worthy of whatever contract he is offered.

 

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

you know this for a fact, or are you just speculating?

 

he's 28, has 101 big league wins, a 129 era+ and not an "elite" pitcher?

 

Yes. Zito will get 15 a year. Boston will need to spend to get themselves out of the Beckett trade fiasco, and the Yankees simply don't care what they spend as long as they get the player they want.

 

It will be a massive bidding war.

 

He'll get a 15 a year. If Burnett makes 11 a year what the hell is Zito worth. Too many big markets are after him...

[Soriano12]

I'm still on the Padilla bandwagon. He isn't far off in terms of talent vs. Zito and Schmidt IMO. I think his numbers are skewed because he pitches in a hitters park. His road numbers are significatly better on the road at home.

 

If he comes back to the NL I see no reason why he can't win b/t 13-15 games with an ERA in the mid to upper 3's. The only thing you have to consider is that he hasn't been the most healthy pitcher over the course of his career.

 

I think he will get lost in the shuffle of the Zito, Schmidt, Damasio(sp?)

signings, so maybe the Cubs can get Padilla at b/t 6-8mil per season.

[Soriano12]

All he does is throw a ton of innings, win, and post sub 4.0 ERAs in the AL. He's a stud.

 

I agree. I think too often people evaluate pitchers just on wins/losses/era. While those stats are very important, the durability factor

must be considered.

 

Call me crazy, but I don't think a guy like Jon Garland is overpaid.

 

Is he dominant #1 starter? Probably not. But he takes the ball every 5th day.

Eats innings, and gives your team a chance to win.

 

 

Injuries to young arms are happening league wide. Its just not a Cubs problem. A guy that can throw "his stuff" year in and year out without tearing up a shoulder, or elbow is a very valuable commoidity.

Edited September 7, 2006 by Soriano12

[TruffleShuffle]

FTR, Hill does have a third pitch -a cutter, which he's been using several times a game against RHP mainly. He doesn't throw it much, but he hasn't needed to lately.

 

As for Zito, yeah - figure he's getting $15 million. Or more. He's a model of consistency - his delivery is smooth and repeatable and he's never had a major arm problem. All he does is throw a ton of innings, win, and post sub 4.0 ERAs in the AL. He's a stud.

 

I don't know that he's a stud or a true #1 starter, but you know what you're going to get out of him every year, and he'll show up on the mound every 5 days. I think we've all seen how important that is.

[Wheelimus]

Schmidt please. Less years and less dollars, and Zito doesn't impress me enough to spend what it will take, which I'm guessing is 4/60 though I wouldn't be shocked to see some idiot make that 5/75.

 

With Schmidt, your rotation next year shapes up as

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Guzman/etc. get two starting spots.

 

Monkey wrench of course being whether Hendry brings back Maddux or not for a third go-round.

[Mizzou]

Why is Mike Mussina's name never mentioned? The Yankees aren't expected to pickup his 17M option for next year. I'd prefer him to every other FA pitcher out there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is Mike Mussina's name never mentioned? The Yankees aren't expected to pickup his 17M option for next year. I'd prefer him to every other FA pitcher out there.

 

They might not pick up the option, but considering their pitching situation I have a hard time believing they won't make any attempt to bring him back.

 

Mussina seems to be the anti-Maddux. Two years running he's put up great first halves and then gone to crap after the All-Star break.

[soccer10k]

I'm not convinced Padilla in 2007 will be any better than a winner of a Guzman / Marshall / Marmol / Mateo / Gallagher / Ryu competition

 

That's the kicker with the "get a good, but not great starter" idea, it's likely to be a marginal improvement at best.

 

And it would be much more expensive.

[soccer10k]

Zito's agent is Scott Boras. He's going to go to whatever team offers the most money.

[HoopsCubs]

That is makings of a brutal year. You need another impact vet in that rotation. If not FA then make a trade...

 

I could see Hendry making a trade for a guy like Tim Hudson. I am nearly certain the Braves will be shopping him this Winter.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd try to sign Schmidt first.

 

That would make the rotation:

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Prior

Hill

 

The fifth starter could come from Marshall, Marmol, Guzman, or Ryu.

 

If the Cubs ended up signing another pitcher like Padilla, then two of the above arms could be packaged in a deal to bring in a bat.

[NorthsideAvenger]

On Vicente Padillia:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml

 

He's really been an average a best during his career. And he hasn't been even solid for 2 yrs now. And even looking at his 2006 numbers, he is no better then the rookie pitchers we already have on the time. So unless Padillawould look to become a closer, I would stay away from Padilla, because he reeks of medocrity.

 

On Zito/Schdmit:

 

I believe Zito is earmarked for New York (either team) and Jason Schimdt is headed for Seattle or even Baltimore. There's nothing written, nor said that I can use to back it up, it's more of a feeling. I mean, the Cubs are going to be filling out a NEW coaching staff after the season (and unless they do that very quickly), which MIGHT either make players hesitant of considering the Cubs, or scared off. So, I would say make backup plans on pitching possibilities.

 

On Angel Guzman:

 

I would like to see the Cubs follow the Astros (did with Roy Oswalt in his rookie season) and the White Sox (with Brandon McCarthy the last yr and a half) and have Guzman as a long relief, and then move him to a rotation spot when one opens. It would allow him to get comfortable at the major league level, his innings would be limited, and he would have a chance to build up his stamina.

[C.C.]

On Vicente Padillia:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml

 

He's really been an average a best during his career. And he hasn't been even solid for 2 yrs now. And even looking at his 2006 numbers, he is no better then the rookie pitchers we already have on the time. So unless Padillawould look to become a closer, I would stay away from Padilla, because he reeks of medocrity.

 

On Zito/Schdmit:

 

I believe Zito is earmarked for New York (either team) and Jason Schimdt is headed for Seattle or even Baltimore. There's nothing written, nor said that I can use to back it up, it's more of a feeling. I mean, the Cubs are going to be filling out a NEW coaching staff after the season (and unless they do that very quickly), which MIGHT either make players hesitant of considering the Cubs, or scared off. So, I would say make backup plans on pitching possibilities.

 

On Angel Guzman:

 

I would like to see the Cubs follow the Astros (did with Roy Oswalt in his rookie season) and the White Sox (with Brandon McCarthy the last yr and a half) and have Guzman as a long relief, and then move him to a rotation spot when one opens. It would allow him to get comfortable at the major league level, his innings would be limited, and he would have a chance to build up his stamina.

 

I said the same thing about Guzman in this thread. I hope the Cubs use him next year in long relief and spot start him...

[Soriano12]

I'd try to sign Schmidt first.

 

That would make the rotation:

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Prior

Hill

 

The fifth starter could come from Marshall, Marmol, Guzman, or Ryu.

 

If the Cubs ended up signing another pitcher like Padilla, then two of the above arms could be packaged in a deal to bring in a bat.

 

I really think counting on Prior as a #3 is risking it.

 

4 or 5 IMO.

[NCCubFan]

He's going to command about 15 million per year. No way in the world is he worth that. He's not an "elite" pitcher. Plus, he's not going to come to Chicago. It's not even worth discussing.

 

has zito been quoting as having said something along those lines?

 

No, but I don't see him wanting to come here. If you had comparable offers from the Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, or the Cubs who would you choose? The only way the Cubs get Zito is to overpay greatly for him. Which won't happen.

In other words, you're expressing your opinion, but telling others it isn't worth discussing as if it were fact. It's not for you to tell others what is or is not worth discussing.

[baseball7897]

That is makings of a brutal year. You need another impact vet in that rotation. If not FA then make a trade...

 

I could see Hendry making a trade for a guy like Tim Hudson. I am nearly certain the Braves will be shopping him this Winter.

 

I would stay away from Tim Hudson. I think he is starting to show signs of breaking down.

 

Some guys who interest me are: Zito, Weaver, Padilla, Marquis, Pettitte, Wolf, and Suppan.