Assesment on Hill, so far?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

[A New Era]

Hill doesn't have the changeup to dominate right handers that Lirano & Santana have. But very few do.

 

I think Hill's significantly stronger than Duke, though.

 

See? Tim likes Hill. Nuff said.

[C.C.]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

[Flames24Rulz]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

Maybe not a 2 or a 3 starter for next year, but if he's not in the rotation to start the season, something is seriously wrong. Hill has earned a spot in the opening rotation for 2007.

[A New Era]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

So are you siding with Goony and saying we have to go out and sign a #2, #3, and #4?

[C.C.]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

So are you siding with Goony and saying we have to go out and sign a #2, #3, and #4?

 

Regardles if you think Hill is a 2,3,4, or 5th starter you still need a 3 more starters right? Unless you are counting on Prior to be healthy...

[A New Era]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

So are you siding with Goony and saying we have to go out and sign a #2, #3, and #4?

 

Regardles if you think Hill is a 2,3,4, or 5th starter you still need a 3 more starters right? Unless you are counting on Prior to be healthy...

 

So we need to sign 3 veteran starters. a #2 quality one. And the other 2 which are #3 and #4 quality?

[C.C.]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

Maybe not a 2 or a 3 starter for next year, but if he's not in the rotation to start the season, something is seriously wrong. Hill has earned a spot in the opening rotation for 2007.

 

He'll be in the rotation in 2007 no doubt!

[CubColtPacer]

duke & hill are totally different types of pitchers. look at duke's minor leauge k's compared to hill's. perhaps two of the twins pitchers would be a better comparision-santana & liriano. not to say that hill is going to be one of the best lefties in baseball but he certainly has the stuff to do so.

 

Sure...Duke was 43-17 with a 2.38ERA and Rich Hill was 19-19 3.90ERA. Why can't you compare the two again?

 

So did you not read what he said, or did you do that on purpose? Duke had a Minor League K/9 of 7.25, Hill's is an obscene 12.59.

 

I didn't read the K part...Sorry 'bout that...I thought it said look at their minor league stats...

I'm just saying you can't rely on a guy to be your 2-3 starter that has had a good 2 month run.

 

So are you siding with Goony and saying we have to go out and sign a #2, #3, and #4?

 

Regardles if you think Hill is a 2,3,4, or 5th starter you still need a 3 more starters right? Unless you are counting on Prior to be healthy...

 

Yes, but the difference is that if we see Hill as a 3 or a 4, we can hold an open competition for the 5 spot between the rest of the young pitchers. That makes one less veteran pitcher you have to go out and sign-if Hill is only a #5, suddenly you have to go out and fill another slot with your available budget.

[Neuby]

The cubs needs to go after a number one or two starter like Schmidt to anchor the rotation.

 

Schmidt

Zambrano

Meche/Lilly/ Livan Hernandez/

Hill

Marshall/Mateo/Guzman/Gallegher/Omalley/

 

I also hoping Hendry can get Wood signed to a cheap deal to be a possible difference maker out of the bullpen. I also hope he looks into offering local product Mark Mulder a incentive laden deal along with Miller if he pitches well the next two weeks.

[Rob]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Guzman

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Gallagher/Veal

 

I'd really be surprised if Guzman can't be at least an league-average innings eater kind of guy next year, if we'd just stop yanking him between the rotation, the bullpen, and the minors. I don't get why everybody is so down on him...

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm still baffled by people who leave Prior completely out of the pitching rotation for 2007. I'm just as let down by him this year as anyone, and skeptical about what will happen next year, but I also highly doubt he won't be there at all. I just don't see him as "broken" as Wood has been...no, I don't know what's wrong with him, but this is the first year that he's been down significantly with anything besides a fluke on the field injury. Combine that with next year being his contract year and I don't see him rolling over and doing nothing again short of him being devastated physically and/or mentally.

 

That said, if Hendry acts with the idea that Prior is a bankable #1 or #2 at this point, he's a fool. I'm confident Prior will be back and impressive next year, but even I'm not assuming he's more than a #3 or even #4 as of now. I just think acting like he doesn't exist is pretty silly and shortsighted.

[mg420]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Guzman

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Gallagher/Veal

 

I'd really be surprised if Guzman can't be at least an league-average innings eater kind of guy next year, if we'd just stop yanking him between the rotation, the bullpen, and the minors. I don't get why everybody is so down on him...

 

his control is questionable. he needs to pitch at least a half a season at aaa imo. mateo & marshall are more likely to contribute in 07 imo.

[C.C.]

I'm still baffled by people who leave Prior completely out of the pitching rotation for 2007. I'm just as let down by him this year as anyone, and skeptical about what will happen next year, but I also highly doubt he won't be there at all. I just don't see him as "broken" as Wood has been...no, I don't know what's wrong with him, but this is the first year that he's been down significantly with anything besides a fluke on the field injury. Combine that with next year being his contract year and I don't see him rolling over and doing nothing again short of him being devastated physically and/or mentally.

 

That said, if Hendry acts with the idea that Prior is a bankable #1 or #2 at this point, he's a fool. I'm confident Prior will be back and impressive next year, but even I'm not assuming he's more than a #3 or even #4 as of now. I just think acting like he doesn't exist is pretty silly and shortsighted.

 

What makes you confident? I was confident he would be back this year and was wrong. I'm done being confident...

[C.C.]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Guzman

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Gallagher/Veal

 

I'd really be surprised if Guzman can't be at least an league-average innings eater kind of guy next year, if we'd just stop yanking him between the rotation, the bullpen, and the minors. I don't get why everybody is so down on him...

 

his control is questionable. he needs to pitch at least a half a season at aaa imo. mateo & marshall are more likely to contribute in 07 imo.

 

Guzman would be best served as a long man/spot starter. He needs control and to stay healthy...

[Guest]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Guzman

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Gallagher/Veal

 

I'd really be surprised if Guzman can't be at least an league-average innings eater kind of guy next year, if we'd just stop yanking him between the rotation, the bullpen, and the minors. I don't get why everybody is so down on him...

Ideally? The trib okays a payroll boost to $130M and...

 

- Prior is healthy and in 2003 form.

- Zambrano fixes his wildness and becomes a true ace

- We outbid everyone for Daisuke and he's all that

- We outbid everyone for Zito and he makes NL hitters look really silly

- We sign Schmidt just for the heck of it to fill out the starting five

- We keep Hill ready to go in case of injury or just to give the starting five an occasional game off.

 

- We trade for a strong OBP/Power OF who can play CF or RF (moving Jones to center)

- We sign Soriano for second base

 

We celebrate our world series victory.

 

Hey, this is ideally, right? :D

[mg420]

Hill doesn't have the changeup to dominate right handers that Lirano & Santana have. But very few do.

 

I think Hill's significantly stronger than Duke, though.

 

thats true but i was trying to avoid the zito comparison. if hill can get his average change over once in while & try to change speeds on his curve he can be very effective against the right handers imo.

[Guest]

I'm still baffled by people who leave Prior completely out of the pitching rotation for 2007. I'm just as let down by him this year as anyone, and skeptical about what will happen next year, but I also highly doubt he won't be there at all. I just don't see him as "broken" as Wood has been...no, I don't know what's wrong with him, but this is the first year that he's been down significantly with anything besides a fluke on the field injury. Combine that with next year being his contract year and I don't see him rolling over and doing nothing again short of him being devastated physically and/or mentally.

 

That said, if Hendry acts with the idea that Prior is a bankable #1 or #2 at this point, he's a fool. I'm confident Prior will be back and impressive next year, but even I'm not assuming he's more than a #3 or even #4 as of now. I just think acting like he doesn't exist is pretty silly and shortsighted.

I'm counting on some combination of Prior and rookies to be the #5 pitcher for next year (I'd only plan on acquiring two outside starters). If Prior returns to health and regains form, then you've got a monster rotation. But it would be a serious gamble to slot him anywhere but #5 at this point.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm still baffled by people who leave Prior completely out of the pitching rotation for 2007. I'm just as let down by him this year as anyone, and skeptical about what will happen next year, but I also highly doubt he won't be there at all. I just don't see him as "broken" as Wood has been...no, I don't know what's wrong with him, but this is the first year that he's been down significantly with anything besides a fluke on the field injury. Combine that with next year being his contract year and I don't see him rolling over and doing nothing again short of him being devastated physically and/or mentally.

 

That said, if Hendry acts with the idea that Prior is a bankable #1 or #2 at this point, he's a fool. I'm confident Prior will be back and impressive next year, but even I'm not assuming he's more than a #3 or even #4 as of now. I just think acting like he doesn't exist is pretty silly and shortsighted.

 

What makes you confident? I was confident he would be back this year and was wrong. I'm done being confident...

 

Because this is the only year where he's had problems like this, and given what we know about what kind of pitcher it is it's highly unlikely he'll be plagued with the same type of year so soon short of another fluke injury. If he gets hit by another ball or player again, hey, there's not much you can do to avoid that. You subtract those two injuries, his extended DL time is pretty minimal outside of this year and whenever he has been back, again, outside of this year, he's been really good to excellent.

[baseball7897]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Zito

Lackey(im sure the cubs could make a signficant offer to the Angels)

Miller/Prior

Hill

[Rob]

Ideally...

 

Zambrano

Schmidt

Hill

Guzman

Prior/Marshall/Marmol/Mateo/Gallagher/Veal

 

I'd really be surprised if Guzman can't be at least an league-average innings eater kind of guy next year, if we'd just stop yanking him between the rotation, the bullpen, and the minors. I don't get why everybody is so down on him...

Ideally? The trib okays a payroll boost to $130M and...

 

- Prior is healthy and in 2003 form.

- Zambrano fixes his wildness and becomes a true ace

- We outbid everyone for Daisuke and he's all that

- We outbid everyone for Zito and he makes NL hitters look really silly

- We sign Schmidt just for the heck of it to fill out the starting five

- We keep Hill ready to go in case of injury or just to give the starting five an occasional game off.

 

- We trade for a strong OBP/Power OF who can play CF or RF (moving Jones to center)

- We sign Soriano for second base

 

We celebrate our world series victory.

 

Hey, this is ideally, right? :D

 

Touché

[C.C.]

I'm still baffled by people who leave Prior completely out of the pitching rotation for 2007. I'm just as let down by him this year as anyone, and skeptical about what will happen next year, but I also highly doubt he won't be there at all. I just don't see him as "broken" as Wood has been...no, I don't know what's wrong with him, but this is the first year that he's been down significantly with anything besides a fluke on the field injury. Combine that with next year being his contract year and I don't see him rolling over and doing nothing again short of him being devastated physically and/or mentally.

 

That said, if Hendry acts with the idea that Prior is a bankable #1 or #2 at this point, he's a fool. I'm confident Prior will be back and impressive next year, but even I'm not assuming he's more than a #3 or even #4 as of now. I just think acting like he doesn't exist is pretty silly and shortsighted.

 

What makes you confident? I was confident he would be back this year and was wrong. I'm done being confident...

 

Because this is the only year where he's had problems like this, and given what we know about what kind of pitcher it is it's highly unlikely he'll be plagued with the same type of year so soon short of another fluke injury. If he gets hit by another ball or player again, hey, there's not much you can do to avoid that. You subtract those two injuries, his extended DL time is pretty minimal outside of this year and whenever he has been back, again, outside of this year, he's been really good to excellent.

 

But what's problem? We still don't know exactly is wrong with him? Is it his shoulder? How serious is it? He's still not healthy and I'm not so sure this same problem won't plague him next year.

[Guest]

Talent does not equal production. Semantics has nothing to do with that, and the Cubs are perfect examples (whether it's the tools over production practice, or specific players likes Wood and Prior). I think it's a mistake to say you can't have enough talented pitching

 

 

so the cubs would have been better off without wood and prior? ridiculous. the problem was when wood and prior got hurt, they had no more talented pitchers.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't know, but I'm baffled as to how it could be his shoulder when he didn't really seem to have any problems along these lines when he finished up last year. I know it sounded ridiculous, but maybe being as sick as he was over the winter threw everything off workout/fitness/schedule/throwing-wise (if he was a sick as it's been reported, any kind of off-season routine could have been destroyed for 1-2 months or more) and he's been paying for it ever since. I'm just banking that having a normal off-season helps get him back on track. Now we just need to keep him in a plastic bubble in the meantime...

[C.C.]

I don't know, but I'm baffled as to how it could be his shoulder when he didn't really seem to have any problems along these lines when he finished up last year. I know it sounded ridiculous, but maybe being as sick as he was over the winter threw everything off workout/fitness/schedule/throwing-wise (if he was a sick as it's been reported, any kind of off-season routine could have been destroyed for 1-2 months or more) and he's been paying for it ever since. I'm just banking that having a normal off-season helps get him back on track. Now we just need to keep him in a plastic bubble in the meantime...

 

Man, I hope your right because I miss the Prior of old. He basically has been out all year with this injury...I just hope it heals properly in the offseason. I just have a feeling that sugery is just around the corner. I'm no doctor, but I find it strange that a sore shoulder would keep you out for a year. If indeed it is his shoulder? Who knows!