The Soccer Thread

[wolf stansson]

We've had the pleasure of watching Fab for more than a few years now.

 

He's never not been gassed after 75 minutes of 80+ degree heat. Ever. Jurgen is mental.

[wolf stansson]

Borussia Monchengladbach reporting Fab is out for this weekend's game with a thigh injury incurred while on international duty.

 

 

US Soccer twitter is lit right now.

[wvcbxl]

First important result of the day is in the bag: a 3-1 home win against Israel assures a Euro group victory for Belgium ( and apparently the #1 spot on the next Fifa ranking :shock: )

 

Now, another home win for the Cubs to make it a perfect day :D

[USSoccer]

Cubs winning and US playing so poorly and getting booed in front of Sunil is like perfect.

 

The US firing this [expletive] would make my week.

[Guest]

sorry to bust in, but blame it on booze....

 

[expletive] the soccer thread right now.

[wvcbxl]

[expletive] the soccer thread right now.

 

Just jealous because I had two reasons (wins) to celebrate (read: drink beer) last night. :lol:

[Guest]

[expletive] the soccer thread right now.

 

Just jealous because I had two reasons (wins) to celebrate (read: drink beer) last night. :lol:

lol - I was irritated in my drunkenness because it kept showing near the top of the active topics.

 

again, my apologies to all!

[wolf stansson]

Dude.

 

 

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PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SOCCER WAS IN 1957-1965. This is unbelievable. What will it take?!

[wolf stansson]

Flames from Jimmy Conrad.

https://amp.twimg.com/v/bf00893f-2c23-4c95-b73d-f5431357764a

[USSoccer]

Hailsey wrote his bi-weekly "MLS Sucks" article today.

 

Some great logic contained therein.

[wolf stansson]

MLS isn't good enough. It needs to be better before anyone should pay attention to it.

 

and

 

Great players shouldn't play in MLS because it's not good enough.

 

So I guess MLS should just fold and go away? And then the national team that he occasionally covers goes further down the tubes and he can just cover Spain or Germany? I don't get it. Not that there's anything to get.

 

That guy is so transparently trolling he makes Skip Bayless look like an amateur. I don't know why MLS is the only thing in his cross-hairs. If it's such an unworthy entity, you'd think he stop wasting his time covering it the same way he thinks we should stop wasting our time watching it. He's so stupid in how he approaches the league that any valid criticism he makes of the MLS/SUM's leadership and decision making is drowned out because anyone with critical thinking skills can't take him seriously as a pundit.

 

It's just weird and I think it's only published on deadspin because MLS fans set the bar for overly sensitive fan boy defensiveness and it's fun to see the comments.

 

 

Edit - I just gave him a click. Maybe this isn't as self aware as I thought? Maybe he is a moron?

I can’t say I follow this league too closely

I don't watch his thing that I think is bad but I definitely, definitely know it's bad. Alrighty.

 

 

Here's the article. Everyone should check it out, if only because Giovinco's goal is truly something to see.

http://screamer.deadspin.com/sebastian-giovinco-is-way-too-good-for-mls-1736721443

[wolf stansson]

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Bless you, coach. Bless you.

 

 

I have no doubts that "under the right circumstances" just means "as long as Jurgen isn't my damn technical director."

 

I think a viable, respected in-house candidate is meaningful for Sunil to make a change. They can't pay Jurgen everything they owe him in a buy out AND go on a global manager search during the European season. Jurgen isn't getting fired over the Confed's Cup and a friendly, but I do think if we get anything other than 6 points in the qualifiers next month, he will be fired. I know everyone thinks he's untouchable, but I don't think he is when it comes to [expletive] around with qualification. Sunil only gets touched if we're not in the World Cup and that's more than a real possibility with Jurgen. I will legit root for T&T to roll us at their place if it leads to Jurgen getting the boot. The way both teams are playing, that's a pretty likely scenario.

[sneakypower]

MLS isn't good enough. It needs to be better before anyone should pay attention to it.

 

and

 

Great players shouldn't play in MLS because it's not good enough.

 

So I guess MLS should just fold and go away? And then the national team that he occasionally covers goes further down the tubes and he can just cover Spain or Germany? I don't get it. Not that there's anything to get.

 

That guy is so transparently trolling he makes Skip Bayless look like an amateur. I don't know why MLS is the only thing in his cross-hairs. If it's such an unworthy entity, you'd think he stop wasting his time covering it the same way he thinks we should stop wasting our time watching it. He's so stupid in how he approaches the league that any valid criticism he makes of the MLS/SUM's leadership and decision making is drowned out because anyone with critical thinking skills can't take him seriously as a pundit.

 

It's just weird and I think it's only published on deadspin because MLS fans set the bar for overly sensitive fan boy defensiveness and it's fun to see the comments.

 

 

Edit - I just gave him a click. Maybe this isn't as self aware as I thought? Maybe he is a moron?

I can’t say I follow this league too closely

I don't watch his thing that I think is bad but I definitely, definitely know it's bad. Alrighty.

 

 

Here's the article. Everyone should check it out, if only because Giovinco's goal is truly something to see.

http://screamer.deadspin.com/sebastian-giovinco-is-way-too-good-for-mls-1736721443

for future reference, donotclick.com helps you avoid that inner turmoil about giving #hottaek trolls clicks

 

Giovinco article:

http://www.donotlink.com/h1t0

 

i do like this comment

MLS is what got him back into Italy’s plans. In 40 minutes of national team play this week, he drew a red card and set up three goals (including the game-winner against Norway). I guess Giovinco is “too good for Italy,” too.

[USSoccer]

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Bless you, coach. Bless you.

 

 

I have no doubts that "under the right circumstances" just means "as long as Jurgen isn't my damn technical director."

 

I think a viable, respected in-house candidate is meaningful for Sunil to make a change. They can't pay Jurgen everything they owe him in a buy out AND go on a global manager search during the European season. Jurgen isn't getting fired over the Confed's Cup and a friendly, but I do think if we get anything other than 6 points in the qualifiers next month, he will be fired. I know everyone thinks he's untouchable, but I don't think he is when it comes to [expletive] around with qualification. Sunil only gets touched if we're not in the World Cup and that's more than a real possibility with Jurgen. I will legit root for T&T to roll us at their place if it leads to Jurgen getting the boot. The way both teams are playing, that's a pretty likely scenario.

 

People forget that we very nearly lost away to A&B last cycle in the semi round. They act like there's no way we drop points next month.

 

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if T&T beat us. And if it leads to JK getting canned I'm with you; I'll sacrifice a short term loss to prevent long term damage.

[wolf stansson]

Cool USA stuff in France:

Bob Bradley is in talks to manage Le Havre and this dude is the next hype dual national:

http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/here-s-a-name-to-know-theoson-jordan-siebatcheu

[USSoccer]

Cool USA stuff in France:

Bob Bradley is in talks to manage Le Havre and this dude is the next hype dual national:

http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/here-s-a-name-to-know-theoson-jordan-siebatcheu

 

Not German enough, not in the Regionalliga; JK won't cap him.

[wolf stansson]

Cool USA stuff in France:

Bob Bradley is in talks to manage Le Havre and this dude is the next hype dual national:

http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/here-s-a-name-to-know-theoson-jordan-siebatcheu

 

Not German enough, not in the Regionalliga; JK won't cap him.

Yeah, you're right. Wondo def needs more caps.

[USSoccer]

Cool USA stuff in France:

Bob Bradley is in talks to manage Le Havre and this dude is the next hype dual national:

http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/here-s-a-name-to-know-theoson-jordan-siebatcheu

 

Not German enough, not in the Regionalliga; JK won't cap him.

Yeah, you're right. Wondo def needs more caps.

 

I'm sure there's some 29 year old kicking around in a Sunday league outside Bremen that's a dual citizen we can check out.

 

Who needs Siebatcheu or Agudelo when we can bring in Wondo and Bobby Wood (don't care he scored against Mexico he still sucks)

[wolf stansson]

Grant Wahl with the high heat reporting:

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/21/jurgen-klinsmann-us-soccer-jay-berhalter-jason-kreis-vieira-nycfc

Despite recent losses, Jurgen Klinsmann remains the U.S. men’s national team coach and technical director, but multiple sources say that Klinsmann’s duties in the latter area have become more ceremonial than before.

 

Over the past year, U.S. Soccer’s chief commercial director Jay Berhalter—the brother of Columbus Crew SC coach Gregg Berhalter—has started taking over a lot of the day-to-day technical director duties. Berhalter even called an important meeting in Chicago in August that did not include Klinsmann.

 

People on the inside have different views about it. One said Berhalter is a smart guy who gets things done. Another said if you’re going to give Klinsmann the technical director job you should let him do it without interference. Communication between Berhalter and Klinsmann is described as “not good.” One insider used the term “power struggle.”

 

 

So...what is Jurgen doing then? Just losing games? Not re-working our youth dev model? Cool. Cool cool cool. Fired.

 

 

 

That article also has a tidbit about Kreis and NYCFC parting ways and Patrick Viera coming in to coach. Good to see that club is as expensive a disaster as I'd figure it would be. Some MLS club will be very lucky to get Kreis who is an unfortunate victim of outside ownership not understanding MLS even a little bit but still dictating terms. This is Red Bulls firing Bruce Arena after one season all over again.

[Rex Buckingham]

Grant Wahl with the high heat reporting:

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/21/jurgen-klinsmann-us-soccer-jay-berhalter-jason-kreis-vieira-nycfc

Despite recent losses, Jurgen Klinsmann remains the U.S. men’s national team coach and technical director, but multiple sources say that Klinsmann’s duties in the latter area have become more ceremonial than before.

 

Over the past year, U.S. Soccer’s chief commercial director Jay Berhalter—the brother of Columbus Crew SC coach Gregg Berhalter—has started taking over a lot of the day-to-day technical director duties. Berhalter even called an important meeting in Chicago in August that did not include Klinsmann.

 

People on the inside have different views about it. One said Berhalter is a smart guy who gets things done. Another said if you’re going to give Klinsmann the technical director job you should let him do it without interference. Communication between Berhalter and Klinsmann is described as “not good.” One insider used the term “power struggle.”

 

 

So...what is Jurgen doing then? Just losing games? Not re-working our youth dev model? Cool. Cool cool cool. Fired.

 

 

 

That article also has a tidbit about Kreis and NYCFC parting ways and Patrick Viera coming in to coach. Good to see that club is as expensive a disaster as I'd figure it would be. Some MLS club will be very lucky to get Kreis who is an unfortunate victim of outside ownership not understanding MLS even a little bit but still dictating terms. This is Red Bulls firing Bruce Arena after one season all over again.

 

Thoughts on Jurgen being replaced by Kreis potentially?

[USSoccer]

Grant Wahl with the high heat reporting:

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/21/jurgen-klinsmann-us-soccer-jay-berhalter-jason-kreis-vieira-nycfc

Despite recent losses, Jurgen Klinsmann remains the U.S. men’s national team coach and technical director, but multiple sources say that Klinsmann’s duties in the latter area have become more ceremonial than before.

 

Over the past year, U.S. Soccer’s chief commercial director Jay Berhalter—the brother of Columbus Crew SC coach Gregg Berhalter—has started taking over a lot of the day-to-day technical director duties. Berhalter even called an important meeting in Chicago in August that did not include Klinsmann.

 

People on the inside have different views about it. One said Berhalter is a smart guy who gets things done. Another said if you’re going to give Klinsmann the technical director job you should let him do it without interference. Communication between Berhalter and Klinsmann is described as “not good.” One insider used the term “power struggle.”

 

 

So...what is Jurgen doing then? Just losing games? Not re-working our youth dev model? Cool. Cool cool cool. Fired.

 

 

 

That article also has a tidbit about Kreis and NYCFC parting ways and Patrick Viera coming in to coach. Good to see that club is as expensive a disaster as I'd figure it would be. Some MLS club will be very lucky to get Kreis who is an unfortunate victim of outside ownership not understanding MLS even a little bit but still dictating terms. This is Red Bulls firing Bruce Arena after one season all over again.

 

Thoughts on Jurgen being replaced by Kreis potentially?

 

Yes. Without reservations. Because it gets rid of Jurgen and Jurgen is unequivocally the worst US coach in my lifetime.

[wolf stansson]

Thoughts on Jurgen being replaced by Kreis potentially?

Sure. He's a very good coach. He wouldn't be my top choice necessarily, but it's always kind of been understood that he'll be the USMNT coach at some point. He's as good as any MLS manager who would be up for it outside of Arena who probably doesn't want to work for Sunil Gulati again.

[Rex Buckingham]

Thoughts on Jurgen being replaced by Kreis potentially?

Sure. He's a very good coach. He wouldn't be my top choice necessarily, but it's always kind of been understood that he'll be the USMNT coach at some point. He's as good as any MLS manager who would be up for it outside of Arena who probably doesn't want to work for Sunil Gulati again.

 

Thanks (and thanks to USSoccer too - love your point - if you're not Jurgen, you've already got an advantage) I thought Kreis was very well-regarded. Who would be your top choice that's realistic?

[wolf stansson]

I don't want a foreign coach, because even though Guus Hiddink and Marcelo Bielsa are highly regarded and available, I think the American soccer landscape is so weird that you have to be all in for it to work. I don't see those guys going all in on the whole US Soccer thing. They're career mercenaries.

 

 

My list:

1 - Arena

2 - Kreis

 

 

 

3 - Everyone else: Vermes/Kinnear/Schmid/Marsch/Heaps/Former American Player Now Coach X

 

Kreis, Arena and Bob Bradley are the three MLS coaches that I noticed legitimately schooling the opposing managers in big games. That's hardly gospel, but those are the guys who's teams were prepared and over achieved consistently in big games. Interestingly, Kreis is the only guy I've seen totally whip Bruce Arena in a big MLS game.

 

This is all anecdotal and I'm hardly a scout.

 

Dream scenario, you pry Earnie Stewart away from AZ and make him technical director. Build the rest from there. That'd be tough for him to walk away from/into. I would love for him, a guy who knows the American system and the Dutch system inside and out, to figure out the best of both worlds over the next decade.

[USSoccer]

Thoughts on Jurgen being replaced by Kreis potentially?

Sure. He's a very good coach. He wouldn't be my top choice necessarily, but it's always kind of been understood that he'll be the USMNT coach at some point. He's as good as any MLS manager who would be up for it outside of Arena who probably doesn't want to work for Sunil Gulati again.

 

Thanks (and thanks to USSoccer too - love your point - if you're not Jurgen, you've already got an advantage) I thought Kreis was very well-regarded. Who would be your top choice that's realistic?

 

Arena, Bradley, Sigi, Kreis or Jesse Marsch. Any of those 5.