Marmol vs. Marshall vs. Hill...who has the greatest upside

[Guest]

Not in any order (but guessing who will still be eligible)...

 

Guzman

Marmol

Mateo

Veal

Gallagher

Petrick

Pawelek

Ryu

 

Not quite top 10, but still promising...

 

Atkins

Wells

Vasquez

 

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

[Guest]

I'm sure that Craig will be happy he ditched the curve in favor of a slider. However, it makes me a sad panda. I prefer curves.

 

BTW - I've been under the impression that his ERA is largely HR-driven. Any ideas on what has made him much more long-ball prone than in the past?

 

He's given up 5 HRs this season - 3 in one start at approximatley 4500' in Albuquerque. From May 18th on, he's only given up 1 HR.

Shows how inaccurate perception can be, eh? :D

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Guzman

 

explain why? please Tim?

 

the guy looks like the next Kerry, a permanent reservation with the DL. His head is as wild as "Z" but Z at least has now controlled it. He has a great fastball for homerun hitter.

 

When has Guzman's head ever been wild?

 

He's been healthy all season. While he has shown the rust of someone who's missed 2.5 seasons, his control and stuff are returning to form from before the injury.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Not in any order (but guessing who will still be eligible)...

 

Guzman

Marmol

Mateo

Veal

Gallagher

Petrick

Pawelek

Ryu

 

Not quite top 10, but still promising...

 

Atkins

Wells

Vasquez

 

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

 

Wow, Mateo ahead of Veal?

[Guest]

Guzman

 

explain why? please Tim?

 

the guy looks like the next Kerry, a permanent reservation with the DL. His head is as wild as "Z" but Z at least has now controlled it. He has a great fastball for homerun hitter.

have you read the whole thread?

[Guest]

Not in any order (but guessing who will still be eligible)...

 

Guzman

Marmol

Mateo

Veal

Gallagher

Petrick

Pawelek

Ryu

 

Not quite top 10, but still promising...

 

Atkins

Wells

Vasquez

 

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

 

Wow, Mateo ahead of Veal?

:D

[Outshined_One]

I haven't thought much about next year's rankings (until just now), but I can assure you that Veal is moving WAAAYYYYY up my list. :D

 

Remember when I was nagging everyone about why they didn't have Veal in their top 10 lists? :D

 

NOW who's laughing?????

[rawaction]

Not in any order (but guessing who will still be eligible)...

 

Guzman

Marmol

Mateo

Veal

Gallagher

Petrick

Pawelek

Ryu

 

Not quite top 10, but still promising...

 

Atkins

Wells

Vasquez

 

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

 

Wow, Mateo ahead of Veal?

:D

 

Ah yes, Petrick is in the same boat as Guzman. If he's healthy he's got better potential than anyone in the system, with the arguable exception of Guzman.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Not in any order (but guessing who will still be eligible)...

 

Guzman

Marmol

Mateo

Veal

Gallagher

Petrick

Pawelek

Ryu

 

Not quite top 10, but still promising...

 

Atkins

Wells

Vasquez

 

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

 

Wow, Mateo ahead of Veal?

:D

 

#-o

[Jon]

I've pointed this out before about Guzman, but Angel hasn't been able to get into a good rhythm yet this season. He had three starts (or four if you count his dominant exhibition start against the University of Iowa) before being called up to the majors. When he got back to AAA, he had just four starts before being called up to do nothing in the bullpen. Then he had three AAA starts before leaving with cramping in a start that was going quite well. Then three starts. Then he was pulled after an inning because Hendry couldn't plan ahead with a pitching staff if an autographed Neifi Perez game used jersey was on the line. And then seven very good innings last time out.

 

Hopefully he can get in a few major league starts and then possibly be shut down in mid-September or so. Of course, if Dusty remains committed to using off-days to skip the 5th starter, that may not happen. And I don't see them shutting Marshall down, either.

[Outshined_One]

These guys have serious potential, but are too unseasoned to make the top 10

 

Samardzija

Dolis

Ceda

Huseby

 

I'd throw Renshaw and Bernard (who reportedly was hitting high 90s on his fastball) on this list.

 

It'd be nice to know more about guys like Carrillo, Walters, Pina and Hernandez, though. I like the numbers they've put up, but have no idea if they have the stuff or potential to match them.

[Guest]

Tim, I'll definitely have 8 pitchers in my top 10, possibly 9, though I think Patterson will slide in and Colvin likely just out.

I'll have Pie near the top and possibly Patterson towards the bottom. Colvin might make it depending on the next month.

 

Other than that...nobody is leaping to mind.

[RyCubsFan]

Tim, I'll definitely have 8 pitchers in my top 10, possibly 9, though I think Patterson will slide in and Colvin likely just out.

I'll have Pie near the top and possibly Patterson towards the bottom. Colvin might make it depending on the next month.

 

Other than that...nobody is leaping to mind.

 

Fox?

[badgercub]

Hopefully he can get in a few major league starts and then possibly be shut down in mid-September or so. Of course, if Dusty remains committed to using off-days to skip the 5th starter, that may not happen. And I don't see them shutting Marshall down, either.

 

I would be fine with him staying in Iowa and pitching on a regular basis til the end of the season. His main thing is just getting regular work and I doubt he will get regular work in Chicago at this point.

[Guest]

Tim, I'll definitely have 8 pitchers in my top 10, possibly 9, though I think Patterson will slide in and Colvin likely just out.

I'll have Pie near the top and possibly Patterson towards the bottom. Colvin might make it depending on the next month.

 

Other than that...nobody is leaping to mind.

 

Fox?

Probably in the 10-15 group. He could move up if he continues hitting like he has this past week for the rest of the month.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tim, I'll definitely have 8 pitchers in my top 10, possibly 9, though I think Patterson will slide in and Colvin likely just out.

I'll have Pie near the top and possibly Patterson towards the bottom. Colvin might make it depending on the next month.

 

Other than that...nobody is leaping to mind.

 

Fox?

Probably in the 10-15 group. He could move up if he continues hitting like he has this past week for the rest of the month.

 

His defense is a major concern though. 10 passed balls at AA already.

 

I'd say he's still in the 10-15 group all the same.

[Guest]

Tim, I'll definitely have 8 pitchers in my top 10, possibly 9, though I think Patterson will slide in and Colvin likely just out.

I'll have Pie near the top and possibly Patterson towards the bottom. Colvin might make it depending on the next month.

 

Other than that...nobody is leaping to mind.

 

Fox?

Probably in the 10-15 group. He could move up if he continues hitting like he has this past week for the rest of the month.

 

His defense is a major concern though. 10 passed balls at AA already.

 

I'd say he's still in the 10-15 group all the same.

Were most of those early after his promotion? He would have been catching a whole bunch of guys for the first time.

 

That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Even if the facts don't line up. :)

[CuseCubFan69]

Seeing some potential out these players helps me with the loss of Nolesco. Not a lot but some.

 

The pitcher I think will have the longest career out of that list is Hill.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they reaching their promise.

 

I see Marmol reaching his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

Is that better for the Enlgish teachers in the hizzle? 8)

Edited August 8, 2006 by NorthsideAvenger

[CoolHandLuke]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they forfilled their promise.

 

I see Marmol forfilling his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

?

[snoodmonger]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they forfilled their promise.

 

I see Marmol forfilling his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

?

 

It's a combination of fulfilling and forfeiting. By using that word, Northside's prediction will be accurate regardless of whether they flop or are successful. Shrewd posting, Northside.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Fox?

Probably in the 10-15 group. He could move up if he continues hitting like he has this past week for the rest of the month.

 

His defense is a major concern though. 10 passed balls at AA already.

 

I'd say he's still in the 10-15 group all the same.

Were most of those early after his promotion? He would have been catching a whole bunch of guys for the first time.

 

That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Even if the facts don't line up. :)

 

I'm too lazy to look through the game logs, so I'll just assume you're right. :P

 

EDIT: And Craig just mentioned the 10 passed balls in 30 games stat again in the Minors.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they forfilled their promise.

 

I see Marmol forfilling his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

?

 

It's a combination of fulfilling and forfeiting. By using that word, Northside's prediction will be accurate regardless of whether they flop or are successful. Shrewd posting, Northside.

 

:lol:

 

Sorry, I can't spell, worth a Cubs nickel.

[cubs121]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they forfilled their promise.

 

I see Marmol forfilling his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

?

 

It's a combination of fulfilling and forfeiting. By using that word, Northside's prediction will be accurate regardless of whether they flop or are successful. Shrewd posting, Northside.

 

:lol:

 

Sorry, I can't spell, worth a Cubs nickel.

HMMM whats it worth!

[NorthsideAvenger]

Who has the most potential of the three: Marshall/Marmol/Hill?

 

I don't look at it as their "future potential", but as to where they will be when they forfilled their promise.

 

I see Marmol forfilling his promise as a late-inning middle reliever/closer.

 

Now Marhsall and Hill as having similar type potential. I see either both eventually being a #3 and 4 or 5.

 

I don't see none of the three being "Impact" talent, but I believe all three will be "very good" talent.

 

?

 

It's a combination of fulfilling and forfeiting. By using that word, Northside's prediction will be accurate regardless of whether they flop or are successful. Shrewd posting, Northside.

 

:lol:

 

Sorry, I can't spell, worth a Cubs nickel.

HMMM whats it worth!

 

Do you have to ask?