baker never disappoints

[imb]

Ok, Iowa was in Las Vegas last night, and Guzman is pitching in Iowa tonight

 

Las Vegas to Iowa = approximately 1400 miles

 

Las Vegas to Chicago = approximately 1700 miles

 

It's possible for him to go 1400 miles in one day and pitch, but not for him to go 1700 miles in two days and pitch? I'm boggled.

[jjgman21]

just another example of how lame the beat reporters are. they have no problem writing articles criticizing, but when given the opportunity to confront Dusty with his BS, they never take advantage.

 

how about this as a follow up question:

 

"so Nevin's been carrying around his outfielders glove since 2003, the last time he played outfield?"

 

or how about

 

"Todd Walker had no experience playing first base when you switched him there, why is it so different with Cedeno?"

 

similar wry querries could have been made regarding Guz's travel too. noone wants the guy back, including the media, why let him wriggle off the hook? pin him to a wall, throw darts at him, and expose his idiocity to the fanbase so there's no support to bring him back.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

Edited August 2, 2006 by minnesotacubsfan

[snoodmonger]

I have no words fit for the farce that this team has become.

 

The Cubs were a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM at last check. If they can't get someone on a plane, or come up with a glove, who in the hell can?

 

You know, I guarantee, if management said to Gooz, "We want to give you thursday's start, but we just can't figure out how to get you from Nevada to Chicago in time," Gooz would offer to buy his own plane ticket.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I have no words fit for the farce that this team has become.

 

The Cubs were a MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM at last check. If they can't get someone on a plane, or come up with a glove, who in the hell can?

 

You know, I guarantee, if management said to Gooz, "We want to give you thursday's start, but we just can't figure out how to get you from Nevada to Chicago in time," Gooz would offer to buy his own plane ticket.

 

or sprout a set of wings and flap to Chicago if he had to. I'm sure he could find a way to get there

[Laura]

Direct from Vegas to Chicago >>> Connecting flight from Jackson TN to Chicago (or driving)

 

 

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/laserena06/theriotonthebench.jpg

[Irrelevant Dude]

Guys can get as many gloves as they want, same goes for bats, batting clothes, spikers, whatever.

 

Manufactures like Louisville Slugger, Rawlings, will send these guys all they want.

The problem is they send them by Media Mail. Ronny runs to his mailbox every day when the mail arrives and then returns to his room dejected knowing it will be another night of Neifi at 2B...

[Caryatid]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

 

I guess this is my point: how many different ways can we point this stuff out before it gets as redundant as Baker's stupidity?

[fiver]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

[jjgman21]

I once drove from Eugene, OR to Wisconsin Dells, WI in approx. 29 hours, with a three hour visit to a friend in the Twin Cities and getting a speeding ticket in North Dakota mixed in.

 

again, why the media let's him get away with it, I have no idea.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

 

I guess this is my point: how many different ways can we point this stuff out before it gets as redundant as Baker's stupidity?

 

as many times as Baker is stupid...infinity I guess

[jjgman21]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

[fiver]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

 

 

....and I do mostly agree with that. I do also recall them stating that they wanted him to work on his 2B footwork for a few days to insure that he doesn't get injured around the bag (when turning DP's I would assume). I personally have no problem with that statement or action.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Playing baseball in Las Vegas would be sweet.

[fiver]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

 

Walker wouldn't have had a runner coming at him spikes first trying to break up a double play at 1st base. If Cedeno isn't accustomed to turning the DP (and evading a baserunner sliding) at 2B, then I don't think it's a bad decision to let him get a couple of days of work doing so in practice. Conversely, I think we'd likely care quite a bit less about a possible injury related to this type of scenario if we were still in the playoff race. There was no real reason to risk an injury to Cedeno by placing him at 2B a bit prematurely since we are out of the playoff picture. If we needed his bat in the lineup and we were in the playoff picture, he would have played 2B yesterday.....my opinion.

[fiver]

oh, and I agree that Dusty's statement regarding Guzman not being called up because "he was playing Vegas at the time" is ludicrous. Obviously, they made this decision for other reasons (not necessarily good ones). Baker doesn't feel obligated to give the media a straight answer about anything, and we all know this already. He flaps his gums nonsensically quite frequently.

[fiver]

just another example of how lame the beat reporters are. they have no problem writing articles criticizing, but when given the opportunity to confront Dusty with his BS, they never take advantage.

 

Agreed. Dusty needs to be asked logical followup questions when he spouts BS.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This has to be the funniest thread ever.

[Caryatid]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

 

I guess this is my point: how many different ways can we point this stuff out before it gets as redundant as Baker's stupidity?

 

as many times as Baker is stupid...infinity I guess

 

 

Well, then...I guess I'm just not going to take part in it anymore-all these things are a given, and to harp on the same thing over and over and over again is pretty much a waste of time. I think I've read the letters OBP about 8 million times over the last couple of days. I sometimes wonder who the truly stupid ones are: Baker/Hendry for being so consistently and obviously blind to certain baseball aspects, or us for being so blind to the fact that we can't change that. Both of us feel the need to fight the same fight day in and day out. I, for one, am over it and willing to accept this regime for who it is (a fundamentally flawed philosophy) and just hope for the best for my team.

[fiver]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

 

I guess this is my point: how many different ways can we point this stuff out before it gets as redundant as Baker's stupidity?

 

as many times as Baker is stupid...infinity I guess

 

 

Well, then...I guess I'm just not going to take part in it anymore-all these things are a given, and to harp on the same thing over and over and over again is pretty much a waste of time. I think I've read the letters OBP about 8 million times over the last couple of days. I sometimes wonder who the truly stupid ones are: Baker/Hendry for being so consistently and obviously blind to certain baseball aspects, or us for being so blind to the fact that we can't change that. Both of us feel the need to fight the same fight day in and day out. I, for one, am over it and willing to accept this regime for who it is (a fundamentally flawed philosophy) and just hope for the best for my team.

 

If this were a marriage, then we could file for divorce, but we are Cubs fans. What are we to do? Root for the Sox? I'd rather stop following basebal altogether.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I guess I'm just not sure what the point is in complaining about this team anymore. There seem to be givens:

 

1. Nobody in this franchise cares about OBP.

2. Dusty Baker loves Neifi.

3. Jim Hendry loves Dusty.

4. Dusty is going to say and do colossally stupid things on an hourly basis.

 

 

Fixed your post.

 

fixed again.

 

I guess this is my point: how many different ways can we point this stuff out before it gets as redundant as Baker's stupidity?

 

as many times as Baker is stupid...infinity I guess

 

 

Well, then...I guess I'm just not going to take part in it anymore-all these things are a given, and to harp on the same thing over and over and over again is pretty much a waste of time. I think I've read the letters OBP about 8 million times over the last couple of days. I sometimes wonder who the truly stupid ones are: Baker/Hendry for being so consistently and obviously blind to certain baseball aspects, or us for being so blind to the fact that we can't change that. Both of us feel the need to fight the same fight day in and day out. I, for one, am over it and willing to accept this regime for who it is (a fundamentally flawed philosophy) and just hope for the best for my team.

 

If this were a marriage, then we could file for divorce, but we are Cubs fans. What are we to do? Root for the Sox? I'd rather stop following basebal altogether.[/quote]

 

=;

 

thats pure blastphemy

[jjgman21]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

 

Walker wouldn't have had a runner coming at him spikes first trying to break up a double play at 1st base. If Cedeno isn't accustomed to turning the DP (and evading a baserunner sliding) at 2B, then I don't think it's a bad decision to let him get a couple of days of work doing so in practice. Conversely, I think we'd likely care quite a bit less about a possible injury related to this type of scenario if we were still in the playoff race. There was no real reason to risk an injury to Cedeno by placing him at 2B a bit prematurely since we are out of the playoff picture. If we needed his bat in the lineup and we were in the playoff picture, he would have played 2B yesterday.....my opinion.

 

you're envisioning an incident that happens once every 10,000 major league baseball games happening withing the next 5 games.

 

with Ronnie's athleticism and familiarity playing around the keystone corner, I'd take my chances.

 

we just witnessed the closer being used four games in a row and in 7 of 8 days in a row, a little over a year after treating another pitcher with a surgically repaired arm, Chad Fox, in a similar way and ending his career. we've seen Kerry Wood go from 50 pitches for a month then up to 85 pitches in a rehab start. we've seen Mark Prior try to pitch through an achilles injury when anyone with any knowledge of the body or access to webmd.com could have told you the only prescription for an achilles injury is rest. please don't tell me the Cubs management suddenly become enlightened about the risk of injury to Cubs players.

[fiver]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

 

Walker wouldn't have had a runner coming at him spikes first trying to break up a double play at 1st base. If Cedeno isn't accustomed to turning the DP (and evading a baserunner sliding) at 2B, then I don't think it's a bad decision to let him get a couple of days of work doing so in practice. Conversely, I think we'd likely care quite a bit less about a possible injury related to this type of scenario if we were still in the playoff race. There was no real reason to risk an injury to Cedeno by placing him at 2B a bit prematurely since we are out of the playoff picture. If we needed his bat in the lineup and we were in the playoff picture, he would have played 2B yesterday.....my opinion.

 

you're envisioning an incident that happens once every 10,000 major league baseball games happening withing the next 5 games.

 

with Ronnie's athleticism and familiarity playing around the keystone corner, I'd take my chances.

 

we just witnessed the closer being used four games in a row and in 7 of 8 days in a row, a little over a year after treating another pitcher with a surgically repaired arm, Chad Fox, in a similar way and ending his career. we've seen Kerry Wood go from 50 pitches for a month then up to 85 pitches in a rehab start. we've seen Mark Prior try to pitch through an achilles injury when anyone with any knowledge of the body or access to webmd.com could have told you the only prescription for an achilles injury is rest. please don't tell me the Cubs management suddenly become enlightened about the risk of injury to Cubs players.

 

fair enough...I feel dirty for sticking up for the Cubs on this decision anyway.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ok, Iowa was in Las Vegas last night, and Guzman is pitching in Iowa tonight

 

Las Vegas to Iowa = approximately 1400 miles

 

Las Vegas to Chicago = approximately 1700 miles

 

It's possible for him to go 1400 miles in one day and pitch, but not for him to go 1700 miles in two days and pitch? I'm boggled.

 

When I was posting the minor league probables this morning, I had to check a couple times to make sure that the I-Cubs were in Des Moines and not out in Tacoma. All because of Dusty's quote.

 

So not only is his excuse-making ridiculous...it's FALSE!

[Bruno7481]

All...I didn't read every post in the thread, but I don't think the issue is that Cedeno does not physically possess a glove that he could use at 2B. My interpratation is that they are wanting Cedeno to take a few days of infield practice (DP footwork, groundballs, etc) before playing there in a MLB game. I know that we're all about at the end of our fuse with this organization, but let's not make a big deal about a few words that when taken literally indicate that Cedeno needs to buy a glove and break it in before playing.

 

like I alluded to earlier, even if that is the case, they wouldn't have put Walker at first a day or two after Lee went down when the Cubs were in first place.

 

these games are meaningless. put him out there in game action. the change is not that great. difficult turns at 2nd might cost you one out over the course of the next five games. big fricken deal.

 

Walker wouldn't have had a runner coming at him spikes first trying to break up a double play at 1st base. If Cedeno isn't accustomed to turning the DP (and evading a baserunner sliding) at 2B, then I don't think it's a bad decision to let him get a couple of days of work doing so in practice. Conversely, I think we'd likely care quite a bit less about a possible injury related to this type of scenario if we were still in the playoff race. There was no real reason to risk an injury to Cedeno by placing him at 2B a bit prematurely since we are out of the playoff picture. If we needed his bat in the lineup and we were in the playoff picture, he would have played 2B yesterday.....my opinion.

 

you're envisioning an incident that happens once every 10,000 major league baseball games happening withing the next 5 games.

 

with Ronnie's athleticism and familiarity playing around the keystone corner, I'd take my chances.

 

we just witnessed the closer being used four games in a row and in 7 of 8 days in a row, a little over a year after treating another pitcher with a surgically repaired arm, Chad Fox, in a similar way and ending his career. we've seen Kerry Wood go from 50 pitches for a month then up to 85 pitches in a rehab start. we've seen Mark Prior try to pitch through an achilles injury when anyone with any knowledge of the body or access to webmd.com could have told you the only prescription for an achilles injury is rest. please don't tell me the Cubs management suddenly become enlightened about the risk of injury to Cubs players.

 

I'm confused.

 

Are you saying that a 2nd baseman only turns a DP once in every 10,000 games? I must have misread that.