Why Maddux will not go anywhere

[dvdd127]

Because if we get a Class A or Class AA package in return everyone will be getting on Hendry for wasting the chance to make a steal.

 

The thing is in season teams are not willing to let other teams "steal" their ML players. So with that in mind Maddux will be here for the long hall.

[C.C.]

Because if we get a Class A or Class AA package in return everyone will be getting on Hendry for wasting the chance to make a steal.

 

The thing is in season teams are not willing to let other teams "steal" their ML players. So with that in mind Maddux will be here for the long hall.

 

Either way I'm fine with that. It's nice to hear after all this team has been through the last two years his first choice is to remain a Cub. That to me is a sense of pride being a Cub. I respect that and love that!

[UMFan83]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

[dvdd127]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

[illiniguy]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

What exactly has his hof status been worth to us the past three years?

[dvdd127]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

What exactly has his hof status been worth to us the past three years?

We most likely would have been below 500 in 04 without him... but its not about us... its about the fact that the team he would be traded to feels they wont make the playoffs without him.

[illiniguy]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

What exactly has his hof status been worth to us the past three years?

We most likely would have been below 500 in 04 without him... but its not about us... its about the fact that the team he would be traded to feels they wont make the playoffs without him.

No we wouldn't have, We could have put any number of guys in that spot and still have been over. You do realize we were better in '04 than in '03, right?

[dvdd127]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

What exactly has his hof status been worth to us the past three years?

We most likely would have been below 500 in 04 without him... but its not about us... its about the fact that the team he would be traded to feels they wont make the playoffs without him.

No we wouldn't have, We could have put any number of guys in that spot and still have been over. You do realize we were better in '04 than in '03, right?

no we werent........ not with the injuries to prior and wood

[illiniguy]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

What exactly has his hof status been worth to us the past three years?

We most likely would have been below 500 in 04 without him... but its not about us... its about the fact that the team he would be traded to feels they wont make the playoffs without him.

No we wouldn't have, We could have put any number of guys in that spot and still have been over. You do realize we were better in '04 than in '03, right?

no we werent........ not with the injuries to prior and wood

Yes we were, we won one more game even with the injuries. Ramirez was better than Lenny Harris. Lee was better than Eric Karros. We won 89 games in '04 and only 88 in '03.

[dvdd127]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

[illiniguy]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

[dvdd127]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

IMHO maddux has not gotten worse. but the team definately has and that is what is making Maddux look worse.

[USSoccer]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

IMHO maddux has not gotten worse. but the team definately has and that is what is making Maddux look worse.

 

 G   GS W L Sv QS Hld   IP H ER  R   HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

33 33 16 11 0 20 0 212.2 218 95 103 35 33 151 6.39 88.7 1.18 4.02 

35 35 13 15 0 18 0 225.0 239 106 112 29 36 136 5.44 88.6 1.22 4.24 

22 22 9 11 0 10 0 136.1 153 71 78 14 23 81 5.35 85.9 1.29 4.69

 

His WHIP, ERA, Hits have all increased each season since he's been here. His K/9 has decreased every year. He's definetly gotten worse.

[mg420]

Because if we get a Class A or Class AA package in return everyone will be getting on Hendry for wasting the chance to make a steal.

 

The thing is in season teams are not willing to let other teams "steal" their ML players. So with that in mind Maddux will be here for the long hall.

 

so hendry wont trade maddux because some fans might get mad at him? that is a very silly assumption imo.

[dvdd127]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

IMHO maddux has not gotten worse. but the team definately has and that is what is making Maddux look worse.

 

 G   GS W L Sv QS Hld   IP H ER  R   HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

33 33 16 11 0 20 0 212.2 218 95 103 35 33 151 6.39 88.7 1.18 4.02 

35 35 13 15 0 18 0 225.0 239 106 112 29 36 136 5.44 88.6 1.22 4.24 

22 22 9 11 0 10 0 136.1 153 71 78 14 23 81 5.35 85.9 1.29 4.69

 

His WHIP, ERA, Hits have all increased each season since he's been here. His K/9 has decreased every year. He's definetly gotten worse.

everything but the ERA is his fault.... the ERA is the teams fault.... thats why I say he is still as good as he was when we brought him home in 04

[Laura]

Maddux has already indicated his willingness to support a trade. Only a contending team would do such a trade.

 

Maddux is much more popular in general Cubdom than he is on messageboards, but he and Hendry have obviously worked to sell any trade as best for the team and for him. The spin control is already in place (no small thing in this era of monster egos and monster contracts). Just have to wait and see if a deal can be struck.

[USSoccer]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

IMHO maddux has not gotten worse. but the team definately has and that is what is making Maddux look worse.

 

 G   GS W L Sv QS Hld   IP H ER  R   HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

33 33 16 11 0 20 0 212.2 218 95 103 35 33 151 6.39 88.7 1.18 4.02 

35 35 13 15 0 18 0 225.0 239 106 112 29 36 136 5.44 88.6 1.22 4.24 

22 22 9 11 0 10 0 136.1 153 71 78 14 23 81 5.35 85.9 1.29 4.69

 

His WHIP, ERA, Hits have all increased each season since he's been here. His K/9 has decreased every year. He's definetly gotten worse.

everything but the ERA is his fault.... the ERA is the teams fault.... thats why I say he is still as good as he was when we brought him home in 04

 

How is his ERA the team's fault? ERA is Earned Run Average. The team has very, very little to do with how many runs Maddux gives up relative to his IP.

[soccer10k]

ok, yes.. record wise we were better. by one meesly game. and Maddux got 16 wins...... without him we may have gotten 8 wins out of that spot. depending which kid they played there......... therefore we would have ended 2004 at .500 without maddux.

He was only 5 games over .500. With the team we had I think most pitchers could have done pretty well. Hell even Rusch was pretty good that year for us. Either way this argument should be irrelevant as it was over two years ago and both Maddux and the team have gotten worse.

IMHO maddux has not gotten worse. but the team definately has and that is what is making Maddux look worse.

 

 G   GS W L Sv QS Hld   IP H ER  R   HR BB SO K/9 P/GS WHIP ERA 

33 33 16 11 0 20 0 212.2 218 95 103 35 33 151 6.39 88.7 1.18 4.02 

35 35 13 15 0 18 0 225.0 239 106 112 29 36 136 5.44 88.6 1.22 4.24 

22 22 9 11 0 10 0 136.1 153 71 78 14 23 81 5.35 85.9 1.29 4.69

 

His WHIP, ERA, Hits have all increased each season since he's been here. His K/9 has decreased every year. He's definetly gotten worse.

everything but the ERA is his fault.... the ERA is the teams fault.... thats why I say he is still as good as he was when we brought him home in 04

 

How is his ERA the team's fault? ERA is Earned Run Average. The team has very, very little to do with how many runs Maddux gives up relative to his IP.

 

Not to mention that he has his two highest seasonal HR totals in 04 and 05 with 35 and 29 respectively and will likely put up another season in the 20's this year. Are HR's allowed the team's fault as well? Didn't think so.

[soccer10k]

No offense to Maddux, but I'd rather get something for nothing. Baseball is a business, one that the Cubs have been bad at for 97 years (not talking financially)

you wouldnt be getting something for nothing.. youd be getting nothing for something...because all I am hearing is being proposed for Maddux its Class A prospects. and Maddux is worth more than that. Cause of his future HOF status.

 

Teams don't consider HOF status in a trade. You consider how the player has pitched this year and how he is likely to pitch the rest of the year. Maddux hasn't pitched well enough to get the Cubs a very good prospect in return.