ARam's post game comments

[rocket]

I just wonder if Ramirez sucking while Lee was out had anything to do with the fact any pitcher in his right mind would not give him anything to hit? If Pujols didn't have hitters around him to protect him he wouldn't be hitting like he does either.

 

he probably would actually

[cubfan1955]

I just wonder if Ramirez sucking while Lee was out had anything to do with the fact any pitcher in his right mind would not give him anything to hit? If Pujols didn't have hitters around him to protect him he wouldn't be hitting like he does either.

 

he probably would actually

Not if pitchers don't throw you hittable pitches.

[rocket]

I just wonder if Ramirez sucking while Lee was out had anything to do with the fact any pitcher in his right mind would not give him anything to hit? If Pujols didn't have hitters around him to protect him he wouldn't be hitting like he does either.

 

he probably would actually

Not if pitchers don't throw you hittable pitches.

 

Jason Bay seems to do fine without any adequate protection.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Protection is a myth.

[cubfan1955]

Protection is a myth.

That's up to the opposing pitcher. If he chooses to pitch to you as opposed to the guy in front or back of you, you stand a better chance of getting a good pitch to hit. And the opposite is true if he chooses to pitch to one of the other hitters. The secret is to have too many hitters to pitch around. When Lee was out and jones wasn't hitting it was too easy to pitch around Ramirez. His problem was that he was overanxious trying to hit bad pitches and getting himself out. Jones hitting some lately and the mere presence of Lee has given him better pitches to hit lately...and he's been hitting them.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't think it's a myth...some hitters are better at drawing off of other hitters in the lineup, and Aramis, in my opinion, has shown that he is one of those hitters. He needs to be behind or in between some mashers to draw off to be consistently dominating like we've seen in the past. That's just the kind of player he is...unless the Cubs are going to seriously go out there and add a couple big bats to the lineup, this may not be the place for him...and I say that with no malice based on his comments or hustle or blah-blah-blah. That's just my opinion based on how he's hitting (or not) with who is around him and what kind of team he's on. Maybe the Cubs just aren't a good fit if they're not going to get the bats.

[Andy]

I just wonder if Ramirez sucking while Lee was out had anything to do with the fact any pitcher in his right mind would not give him anything to hit? If Pujols didn't have hitters around him to protect him he wouldn't be hitting like he does either.

 

he probably would actually

Not if pitchers don't throw you hittable pitches.

If they don't throw him hittable pitches, he should take walks until the pitchers realize that's a bad idea too and start pitching to him again.

[Soul]

So the players on this team who suck day in and day out should never have to be called on it?

 

Come on.

 

 

I'm glad ARam made those comments. Players who are stinking it up know it, and ought to own up to it rather than cry about somebody pointing out the obvious.

 

Who's going to light a fire under these guys then? It sure isn't going to be Dusty, I can guaran-damn-tee that.

 

not sure what world you are living in Soul.

 

when I first began work at my former employer, we did all these team exercises about how we need to trust one another and how we should feel free to call each other out when we feel someone is not living up to their responsabilities and not being accountable for mistakes.

 

this worked fine for about 8 months, when I didn't know enough about my job or organization to ever say anything. then I began to understand what the priorities were and how resources were best used and what the objectives of the office should be and what the best way to achieve said objectives are.

 

I did what I was told to do when I began, called people out on avoiding responsabilities and accountability for about 8 months. they fired me last Friday.

 

no matter how much people say they respect "telling it how it is," coworkers and bosses don't like being told they are screwing up. it does nothing but lead to extreme volitility in all but the most rare of circumstances. I don't think calling people out is what Aram did here, but I also don't think calling people out is generally a productive thing to do.

 

I only meant that what ARam did wasn't as bad as what people are saying. He only stated the obvious, and people on the team who aren't producing will understand what he's saying. Hell---ARam himself wasn't producing earlier.

 

LOL-----yeah, it's probably not a good idea to go around saying "Smith's sucking right now, we need to talk to that dude..........Wow Jackson really blew that one!!"

[cubfan1955]

I just wonder if Ramirez sucking while Lee was out had anything to do with the fact any pitcher in his right mind would not give him anything to hit? If Pujols didn't have hitters around him to protect him he wouldn't be hitting like he does either.

 

he probably would actually

Not if pitchers don't throw you hittable pitches.

If they don't throw him hittable pitches, he should take walks until the pitchers realize that's a bad idea too and start pitching to him again.

Pitchers have tried. It's just that the other Cardinal hitters have made them pay when they pitch around Pujols.

[soccer10k]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

how?

 

The only quote that looks particularly egregious is the first one, and if you consider the question was likely "Aramis, you hit very well this afternoon, what are your thoughts on the loss today?" even that is a fine response.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. There isn't any context for the quotes and we don't know how he said it or his facial expressions while he spoke. They might have cut out parts of each quote as well to make it fit better in the article. I hope ARam doesn't go anywhere unless it's to NYY for ARod.

[frostwyrm]

I hope ARam doesn't go anywhere unless it's to NYY for ARod.

BAD idea for Aram. How do you think the fans in the Bronx would like Aram casually jogging the bases? How about the NY media? If he thinks he gets a lot of guff in Chicago for not hustling somebody should remind him it would be a thousand times worse in New York.

[soccer10k]

I hope ARam doesn't go anywhere unless it's to NYY for ARod.

BAD idea for Aram. How do you think the fans in the Bronx would like Aram casually jogging the bases? How about the NY media? If he thinks he gets a lot of guff in Chicago for not hustling somebody should remind him it would be a thousand times worse in New York.

 

Based on the way they have treated ARod and what they have reported, I think the New York media would be much more focused on ARam's 6 HR's and 8 RBI's over the last 5 games to care about his hustle.

 

EDIT: I do see your point though.

[thedaymen]

I hope ARam doesn't go anywhere unless it's to NYY for ARod.

BAD idea for Aram. How do you think the fans in the Bronx would like Aram casually jogging the bases? How about the NY media? If he thinks he gets a lot of guff in Chicago for not hustling somebody should remind him it would be a thousand times worse in New York.

 

Based on the way they have treated ARod and what they have reported, I think the New York media would be much more focused on ARam's 6 HR's and 8 RBI's over the last 5 games to care about his hustle.

 

EDIT: I do see your point though.

 

The media might give him a pass, but he would get boo'ed mercilessly if he had the exact same season he had this year with the Cubs wearing Yankees pinstripes.

[dvdd127]

The media might give him a pass, but he would get boo'ed mercilessly if he had the exact same season he had this year with the Cubs wearing Yankees pinstripes.

I dont think ARam could handle NYC.

[Sammy Sofa]

The media might give him a pass, but he would get boo'ed mercilessly if he had the exact same season he had this year with the Cubs wearing Yankees pinstripes.

I dont think ARam could handle NYC.

 

I think Aramis would mash much, much, MUCH more with the Yankees than he would with the Cubs because he'd be surrounded by big hitters and that would far outshadow his laziness running the bases.

 

I like Aramis, but if he could net us A-Rod I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[thedaymen]

I like Aramis, but if he could net us A-Rod I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

Thats a no-brainer...and if you have to throw in a couple of prospects, so be it.

 

Unfortunately, the Yankees aren't morons and they know how good AROD is and how most of the criticism of him is as not "clutch" is moronic.

 

I do disagree with your other point. Yankees fans are a lot more merciless then Cubs fans when players dog it. Most of the Cubs' fans around me at the game last night had no idea why I was yelling at Ramirez. Every Yankees fan I know has comments about AROD's fielding.