ARam's post game comments

[bhogg]

I was reading the game recap on mlb.com and the first of ARam's quotes got my attention, but I just chalked it up to random quotes. . . no big dea. . . .then there's another similar quote.

 

Come on guy, just keep your mouth shut and give it the ol' "i'm just trying to help the team" kind of quote.

 

I can't imagine that many teammates would be happy after reading these:

 

Today's recap

 

I felt pretty good out there," Ramirez said. "I wish everybody felt like me, so we could win some games."

 

 

"It's a team effort," Ramirez said. "One guy is not going to get it done. Everybody has to do their part. You can see that the last two days -- I hit pretty good and we lost.

 

 

I suppose he tried for a little redemption with his last quotes

 

I'll enjoy right now, but I'd feel better if we win the game," he added.

 

 

The only thing we can do is go out and play the game and try to win -- not for Dusty, but for everybody," Ramirez said. "We haven't done that. It's not Dusty's fault. He doesn't play, he doesn't pitch, he doesn't hit. We're not getting it done as a team."

[dvdd127]

Anyone thing hes unhappy here??

I dont.. just want to know what you think.

[SeldomSeen]

I think they should trade him for Arod.

[jaydee]

Hes right.

[Mizzou]

Pretty cocky for a guy who flat out sucked when we needed him most.

[dvdd127]

I think they should trade him for Arod.

would be nice.. but ARod cant catch the ball right now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

[dvdd127]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

how?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

how?

 

The only quote that looks particularly egregious is the first one, and if you consider the question was likely "Aramis, you hit very well this afternoon, what are your thoughts on the loss today?" even that is a fine response.

[rocket]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

how?

 

The only quote that looks particularly egregious is the first one, and if you consider the question was likely "Aramis, you hit very well this afternoon, what are your thoughts on the loss today?" even that is a fine response.

 

he's getting run out of town whether you like it or not

[WrigleyField 22]

Thats the second time he's had a quote like that. I'm not ready to run him out of town, but I'm gonna have my eye on him.

 

I don't buy that he's just frustrated. I didn't hear Z say... "I've pitched great the past few months and my offense on those days are the only reason we won." He very well could have too, because its true. Instead he's just said stuff like -We gotta catch the wild card. I haven't heard Barrett say hes pissed because hes doing great and everyone sucks.

 

Aramis needs to learn to speak to the media. You just don't do that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I dont have a problem with what he said...

[ChiCubsFan]

I dont have a problem with what he said...

 

me neither. please don't be stupid and run him out of town.

 

(unless you trade him for arod)

[CubinNY]

I dont have a problem with what he said...

 

Ditto, every word is true.

 

Let's not go down the chemistry road again, shall we.

[Mizzou]

Why does it matter? That looks like it's out of context anyways.

how?

 

The only quote that looks particularly egregious is the first one, and if you consider the question was likely "Aramis, you hit very well this afternoon, what are your thoughts on the loss today?" even that is a fine response.

 

he's getting run out of town whether you like it or not

You really think so?

[dvdd127]

yah, you really think hes getting run out of town??

[CubinNY]

yah, you really think hes getting run out of town??

 

The dude just hit three HRs in two days (in games in which the Cubs lost) and somehow he is a problem.

[jjgman21]

people need to realize that players don't stand on a box and start blabbing. they respond to questions. that's what TT was trying to say. let me try to plug a couple in and maybe recontextualize.

 

to what do you attribute your hot streak?

 

I felt pretty good out there," Ramirez said. "I wish everybody felt like me, so we could win some games."

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with Derrek still healing, do you again feel you have to carry the team?

 

"It's a team effort. One guy is not going to get it done. Everybody has to do their part. You can see that the last two days -- I hit pretty good and we lost.

 

well that's not because of you. how's it feel having back to back days with 2 HRs?

 

I'll enjoy right now, but I'd feel better if we win the game," he added.

 

do you feel you have to win in order for Dusty to keep his job?

 

The only thing we can do is go out and play the game and try to win -- not for Dusty, but for everybody. We haven't done that. It's not Dusty's fault. He doesn't play, he doesn't pitch, he doesn't hit. We're not getting it done as a team."

 

thanks Aramis. I'll go cut those quotes up in my article now to make you look like you're bad seed.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

yah, you really think hes getting run out of town??

 

The dude just hit three HRs in two days (in games in which the Cubs lost) and somehow he is a problem.

 

4 in 2 days(2 on Friday and 2 on Saturday)

 

He also had one on Thursday. So 5 in 3 days.

[WrigleyField 22]

I've wont pretend to know what its like to be a major leaguer, but I can use my experience in team sports to try and imagine how that quote might go over. I can't imagine it will go over well. You dont leave your teammates hangin out to dry like that.

 

I'm not trying to say that we need to strive for a chemistry-happy team where everyone loves eachother and are best friends. But a fueding team isn't going to help towards winning. Now if you are a VERY good team, someting this team is far from, you might be able to win despite that. But theres no reason to make it harder on the team that it could be by just saying "We need to play better". I don't care if none of the guys on the team talk, but there needs to be a mutual respect where you can go out and play together. I wouldn't wanna play with a guy who bashes his teammates and praises his own efforts. I would ultimately still go out and play, but some guys might not. Now maybe he's just trying to get guys a little fired up, but there are better ways to do that and it can stay within the team.

 

Just as an example, I was far from friends with some kids on my football team this year. The one kid in particular I think is a jerk and I never spoke to him inside of school. He was a linebacker though and I was a defensive end so we had to work together at times. I had enough mutual respect for him though that we could get the job done. If I thought he would leave teammates out to dry though I would have had a much harder time working with him.

 

Like I said, it doesn't have to be a happy-friendly club house. Guys can even get in some fights sometimes, that keeps some competitve juices flowing. But you gotta have enough respect for eachother as ballplayers to be able to go out onto the field and get the job done together. I question how guys will be able to do that with a guy who praises his own efforts when he hasn't been great most of the time and criticizes his teammates.

 

I'm not saying this is what Aramis meant, he may have been misquoted or put out of context. I am definately watching to see if its something that becomes a habit though.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd wish there was someone else on my team who could mash 4 massive homers in RF-freakin'-K if I just did it myself, too. I don't see it as a shot at anyone...he's just being honest and trying to be a little funny.

 

I was at both games, and none of them was in doubt for a second. For at least 2 of them Soriano just looked up and didn't even bother.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd wish there was someone else on my team who could mash 4 massive homers in RF-freakin'-K if I just did it myself, too. I don't see it as a shot at anyone...he's just being honest and trying to be a little funny.

 

I was at both games, and none of them was in doubt for a second. For at least 2 of them Soriano just looked up and didn't even bother.

 

So his two game hot streak makes up for his poor play so much that he can say whatever he wants?

 

I'm really not trying to say that I feel he is a problem on this team, but I'll watch what he says more closely thats for sure.

 

Maybe reporters just don't like Ramirez, and only twist his words, but maybe Aramis is the only one whos saying things that are so easy to twist. Its really all specualtion becuase none of us know the context.

 

Maybe this is somewhere Bruce Miles could help and chime in with since hes around the club. Are you out there Bruce?

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd wish there was someone else on my team who could mash 4 massive homers in RF-freakin'-K if I just did it myself, too. I don't see it as a shot at anyone...he's just being honest and trying to be a little funny.

 

I was at both games, and none of them was in doubt for a second. For at least 2 of them Soriano just looked up and didn't even bother.

 

So his two game hot streak makes up for his poor play so much that he can say whatever he wants?

 

Where did I say anything even remotely close to that?

 

I said it's a guy trying to sound honest and funny...who cares if he said he wishes there were more guys on his team smashing the ball? Who WOULDN'T want that? He didn't single anyone out, so whose feelings are going to be hurt?

 

The way we talk about this team, they're never going to win anything with the amount of crying and sulking in the corners they must be doing.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd wish there was someone else on my team who could mash 4 massive homers in RF-freakin'-K if I just did it myself, too. I don't see it as a shot at anyone...he's just being honest and trying to be a little funny.

 

I was at both games, and none of them was in doubt for a second. For at least 2 of them Soriano just looked up and didn't even bother.

 

So his two game hot streak makes up for his poor play so much that he can say whatever he wants?

 

Where did I say anything even remotely close to that?

 

I said it's a guy trying to sound honest and funny...who cares if he said he wishes there were more guys on his team smashing the ball? Who WOULDN'T want that? He didn't single anyone out, so whose feelings are going to be hurt?

 

The way we talk about this team, they're never going to win anything with the amount of crying and sulking in the corners they must be doing.

I guess he just wasn't very good at being funny.

 

That comment could have been made in a bad way. I'm not saying thats what it was. Other than one other quote from a couple weeks ago I have no reason to believe it was made in that tone. I will however keep track, and that right there is two times. After 4 or 5 or 6 do you start to think it happens too much to be that he is just being taken out of context. It might not get to that, I hope it doesn't. At this point I'm not taking either side, both should be held in consideration because its too early to say for sure that its one way or the other.

 

Oh and the "remotely close to part" to was in reference to the fact that you only used the past two games ehre he hit 4 homers in support of his strong play. He's done poorly the rest of the season. I'm sure thats not how you meant it, my bad.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

aramis said nothing that his teamates wouldnt agree with