Cubs reportedly in talks with Astros for Taveras

[soccer10k]

Yeah, let's get a guy with less power and less of an ability to get on base than Juan Pierre. Brilliant. If Taveras comes to the Cubs, I guarantee his nickname becomes 6-3.

[Roast]

Yeah, let's get a guy with less power and less of an ability to get on base than Juan Pierre. Brilliant. If Taveras comes to the Cubs, I guarantee his nickname becomes 6-3.

 

SWEET IDEA.

 

Then lets get alou and bat them Pierre Alou Tavares.

 

Or, 4-3 5-3 6-3, if you willl.

[soccer10k]

Let's get back to this Ichiro thing.

 

Why, you expect the Cubs to even make an offer?

 

Why waste team talking about a player, when you KNOW in your heart the Cubs have no interests in. Meaning even if Ichiro is available, the Cubs ain't interested.

 

Willy Pierre

Juan Taverez

 

Makes me no never mind. I expect the Cubs to acquire SOMEBODY else with Taverez to make a deal worthwhile, I would love to take Brandon Backe off their hands.

 

why are you so sure the cubs aren't interested? He's fast, a great defender and bats leadoff - all things the cubs value.

 

How about the fact that Ichiro has a career .377 OBP, and the fact that the Cubs simply don't understand that getting on base is the object of the game. They would view Ichiro as a baseclogging, and instantly deem him "not a good fit."

 

I would love to have Ichiro, but with the current regime, he would be tremendously WASTED.

 

The quote was, "unless you can run, walks just clog up the bases for the guys who can".

 

Not that it matters cause it was a stupid quote, but everyone gets it wrong.

 

Not to mention the fact that Ichiro isn't known as somebody that walks very much. His high OBP is due to him getting hits rather than walks.

[ConstableRabbit]

Yeah, let's get a guy with less power and less of an ability to get on base than Juan Pierre. Brilliant. If Taveras comes to the Cubs, I guarantee his nickname becomes 6-3.

 

SWEET IDEA.

 

Then lets get alou and bat them Pierre Alou Tavares.

 

Or, 4-3 5-3 6-3, if you willl.

 

Think of the check swing/weak grounder potential!

[beowulf28]

A righty Pierre with an even lighter bat. What's not to like?

 

He does have a decent arm, and he'd certainly be a cheaper long-term option, but he's not remotely a lead-off man.

 

Sadly, Hendry will think he is.

 

We trade 3 pitchers to get Pierre, then consider trading one more so we can possibly let Pierre walk next year (fingers crossed).

 

I think I've figured it out. Our AAAA GM feels more comfortable around AAAA players.

 

Tavarez has 18 WALKS! Could that be even lower than Pierre's? AND A .311 OBP!!! Hendry's moving backwards! He has EXACTLY the same number of walks as Pierre. Which means Willy Tavarez will be a Cub soon! :cry:

[NorthsideAvenger]

well there's also the acquisition and quick assention of Murton, the signing of Lee, the better discipline of Barrett, some of the draft picks he's made, getting the Blue Jays ex-draft manager. not a water tight case, but certainly enough evidence to discount the "Hendry doesn't value walks" argument.

 

I don't see what the Blue Jays ex-draft guy has to do with appreciating walks. That organization turned more sabr-centric when he wasn't there.

 

You can point out little individual reasons why you think it's not true, but the big picture suggests otherwise. They are last in walks, by a wide margin, and the organization is dominated by overly aggressive hackers. There just is not enough to support the notion that he's coming along. Maybe he values walks to some extent, but the evidence shows he values them less than any other organization in the league. And that's what matters.

 

the Blue Jays ex-draft guy is relevant because of the good discipline and walk rates of the hitters he drafted. the big picture does suggest otherwise Hendry has not valued walks in the past. that is why I suggested that Hendry is coming around, not that he valued walks all along. my point is not that Hendry absolutely, without a doubt values walks. my point is there is evidence that he's gaining a greater appreciation for walks. the fact that evidence has not shown up tangibly in the lineup to this point is really not material. further, 5/8 of the lineup that should be out there day in/day out are historically pretty good or vastly improved at taking walks. not great, but pretty good (Walker, Lee, Aram, Barrett, Murton).

 

Who has Wilken drafted that has great plate patience? Rios? Wells? Both are allergic to walks (Wells less so).

 

If you want to play that game of Wells/Rios are "allergic" to walks, then you have to mention the fact that neither player strikes out a ton either. Wells hasn't cross the 100 K's barrier during a season since he started getting CONSISTANT playing time. And Rios is on pace for something like 80 or so K's on the season. So they may not walk as much, but they don't strikeout as much.

 

But to be fair, both players are having great OBP yrs (Wells .379, and Rios at .383 or so) with so little walks, but my guess is...both players have extremely high BABIP (or whatever that skill is) for the season.

[Careless]

well there's also the acquisition and quick assention of Murton, the signing of Lee, the better discipline of Barrett, some of the draft picks he's made, getting the Blue Jays ex-draft manager. not a water tight case, but certainly enough evidence to discount the "Hendry doesn't value walks" argument.

 

I don't see what the Blue Jays ex-draft guy has to do with appreciating walks. That organization turned more sabr-centric when he wasn't there.

 

You can point out little individual reasons why you think it's not true, but the big picture suggests otherwise. They are last in walks, by a wide margin, and the organization is dominated by overly aggressive hackers. There just is not enough to support the notion that he's coming along. Maybe he values walks to some extent, but the evidence shows he values them less than any other organization in the league. And that's what matters.

 

the Blue Jays ex-draft guy is relevant because of the good discipline and walk rates of the hitters he drafted. the big picture does suggest otherwise Hendry has not valued walks in the past. that is why I suggested that Hendry is coming around, not that he valued walks all along. my point is not that Hendry absolutely, without a doubt values walks. my point is there is evidence that he's gaining a greater appreciation for walks. the fact that evidence has not shown up tangibly in the lineup to this point is really not material. further, 5/8 of the lineup that should be out there day in/day out are historically pretty good or vastly improved at taking walks. not great, but pretty good (Walker, Lee, Aram, Barrett, Murton).

 

Who has Wilken drafted that has great plate patience? Rios? Wells? Both are allergic to walks (Wells less so).

 

If you want to play that game of Wells/Rios are "allergic" to walks, then you have to mention the fact that neither player strikes out a ton either. Wells hasn't cross the 100 K's barrier during a season since he started getting CONSISTANT playing time. And Rios is on pace for something like 80 or so K's on the season. So they may not walk as much, but they don't strikeout as much.

 

But to be fair, both players are having great OBP yrs (Wells .379, and Rios at .383 or so) with so little walks, but my guess is...both players have extremely high BABIP (or whatever that skill is) for the season.

The game was "they have poor plate patience"

You supported the argument you attempted to refute.

[NorthsideAvenger]

well there's also the acquisition and quick assention of Murton, the signing of Lee, the better discipline of Barrett, some of the draft picks he's made, getting the Blue Jays ex-draft manager. not a water tight case, but certainly enough evidence to discount the "Hendry doesn't value walks" argument.

 

I don't see what the Blue Jays ex-draft guy has to do with appreciating walks. That organization turned more sabr-centric when he wasn't there.

 

You can point out little individual reasons why you think it's not true, but the big picture suggests otherwise. They are last in walks, by a wide margin, and the organization is dominated by overly aggressive hackers. There just is not enough to support the notion that he's coming along. Maybe he values walks to some extent, but the evidence shows he values them less than any other organization in the league. And that's what matters.

 

the Blue Jays ex-draft guy is relevant because of the good discipline and walk rates of the hitters he drafted. the big picture does suggest otherwise Hendry has not valued walks in the past. that is why I suggested that Hendry is coming around, not that he valued walks all along. my point is not that Hendry absolutely, without a doubt values walks. my point is there is evidence that he's gaining a greater appreciation for walks. the fact that evidence has not shown up tangibly in the lineup to this point is really not material. further, 5/8 of the lineup that should be out there day in/day out are historically pretty good or vastly improved at taking walks. not great, but pretty good (Walker, Lee, Aram, Barrett, Murton).

 

Who has Wilken drafted that has great plate patience? Rios? Wells? Both are allergic to walks (Wells less so).

 

If you want to play that game of Wells/Rios are "allergic" to walks, then you have to mention the fact that neither player strikes out a ton either. Wells hasn't cross the 100 K's barrier during a season since he started getting CONSISTANT playing time. And Rios is on pace for something like 80 or so K's on the season. So they may not walk as much, but they don't strikeout as much.

 

But to be fair, both players are having great OBP yrs (Wells .379, and Rios at .383 or so) with so little walks, but my guess is...both players have extremely high BABIP (or whatever that skill is) for the season.

The game was "they have poor plate patience"

You supported the argument you attempted to refute.

 

Again, Wells/Rios DON'T have poor plate patient, they aren't exactly great, but there not poor. CPatt is has POOR plate patient.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The game was "they have poor plate patience"

You supported the argument you attempted to refute.

 

Again, Wells/Rios DON'T have poor plate patient, they aren't exactly great, but there not poor. CPatt is has POOR plate patient.

 

What is the acceptable range to be considered poor? Patterson's career IsoD is 40, Wells is at 48, Rios is at 50. For comparison to a Cubs player who I think has poor plate patience, Juan Pierre's career IsoD is 49.