7/16 Cubs (Marshall) vs Mets (El Duque) 5 pm ESPN

[PrimeTime]

Pierre has really come around since the ASB, actually the past 3 weeks.. why couldnt he do this in the beginning of the year??

[sethuel1]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Walker's offense isn't that good either

He doesn't provide a spark like Neifi.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE SEVENTH INNING

 

Heilman in to pitch for New York

Mabry flied out to right field

Murton grounded out to first, unassisted

Cedeno walked

Nevin, pinch hitting for Ohman, homered to left field , Cedeno scored

Pierre grounded an IF single to shortstop

Walker flied out to center field

 

2 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5  6 7 8 9              R  H  E
New York        0 0 0 1 1 11 0                 13 12  0
CUBS            2 3 0 0 0  0 2                  7 14  2

 

Home runs:

New York: Woodward (3), Floyd (8 & 9), Beltran (26)

CUBS: Marshall (1), Nevin (16)

 

New York       IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Hernandez     1.7  7  5  5  2  2  1  69
Oliver        2.3  3  0  0  1  1  0  30
Feliciano     1.0  1  0  0  0  2  0  19
Bradford      1.0  1  0  0  0  0  0   9
Heilman       1.0  2  2  2  1  0  1  31

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Marshall      5.3  7  7  5  1  4  3  88
Novoa         0.3  5  6  1  0  0  2  29
Ohman         1.3  0  0  0  2  0  0  24

[LuvChicagoSports]

Another nice hit for Todd.

 

Man his bat sure makes up for his glove.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Walker deserves an ESPY or something for his play tonight.

[Drew Doughty]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Walker's offense isn't that good either

 

Are you joking? You must be joking. He's conistetnly been one of the top 5 offensive 2B in the game over the last few years. His only knock offensively is that he struggles against lefties.

[illiniguy]

Walker deserves an ESPY or something for his play tonight.

Well he might get a DFA tomorrow

[badger1679666666]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

1) no it's not ridiculous, it's very accurate and if it is, any stats to support your claim?

 

3) What GM are you the team of? You know unequivocally that he couldn't be moved because of his defense. Because as phantom GM of my ML team, I heard he didn't get moved because he wasn't a team player and talked too much to the media creating rifts and divisions.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I love this Joe Morgan quote when taken out of the context of the conversation and just viewed alone.

 

"I always feel bad for second basemen."

[illiniguy]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Walker's offense isn't that good either

 

Are you joking? You must be joking. He's conistetnly been one of the top 5 offensive 2B in the game over the last few years. His only knock offensively is that he struggles against lefties.

Give me Grudz back anyday.

[Blueheart05]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Find me one argument for his fielding that was solely based on his FPCT.

 

Walker used it himself when he talked repeatedly (earlier in the year on talk radio) about how his fielding percentage was just shy of GG status. I also saw it here earlier in the year.

[Rob]

Gonna try to let them top 11 runs in an inning already? Damn.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Rusch in to pitch for the CUBS

Franco, pinch hitting for Heilman, struck out swinging

[Irrelevant Dude]

Pierre has really come around since the ASB, actually the past 3 weeks.. why couldnt he do this in the beginning of the year??

If you ask Steve Stone, it's because they cut the grass.

[Drew Doughty]

Give me Grudz back anyday.

 

Defensively maybe, but Walker's better offensively.

[Monco]

Are people saying to take Walker off of 2nd and play Neifi? Its doubtful Dusty will play Theriot.

[Rob]

Rusch in to pitch for the CUBS

Franco, pinch hitting for Heilman, struck out swinging

 

Struck out looking, dude.

[Blueheart05]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

1) no it's not ridiculous, it's very accurate and if it is, any stats to support your claim?

 

3) What GM are you the team of? You know unequivocally that he couldn't be moved because of his defense. Because as phantom GM of my ML team, I heard he didn't get moved because he wasn't a team player and talked too much to the media creating rifts and divisions.

 

Yes, Baseball Info Solutions.com rated him as one of the worst 2B in baseball and in 2003, when he played 144 games, he was the worst 2b in the ML at turning the DP. Look it up.

 

You can defend him if you choose. It doesn't take a GM to recognize that his defense is flawed.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Glendon in for one of his patented game-out-of-reach scoreless relief appearances.

[oldstyle81]

Pierre has really come around since the ASB, actually the past 3 weeks.. why couldnt he do this in the beginning of the year??

If you ask Steve Stone, it's because they cut the grass.

 

well he did come around when they cut the grass

[illiniguy]

Give me Grudz back anyday.

 

Defensively maybe, but Walker's better offensively.

Oh yes his three homers are carrying us.

[oldcubsfan]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Walker's offense isn't that good either

He doesn't provide a spark like Neifi.

He doesn't provide ANYTHING PERIOD. He sucks as an overall ballplayer. He and his brother in law can play catch for all I care.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Delgado walked

[Irrelevant Dude]

Pierre has really come around since the ASB, actually the past 3 weeks.. why couldnt he do this in the beginning of the year??

If you ask Steve Stone, it's because they cut the grass.

 

well he did come around when they cut the grass

Yeah he did. I'm not saying that Stone was right or wrong. Maybe there's something to it, or maybe it's just coincidence.

[sethuel1]

He made a put out. :shock:

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: x infinity.

 

Whatever, I don't see how you can defend him, he's not a good fielder.

 

Today's game not withstanding, the attacks on his defense are VASTLY overdone. VASTLY.

 

That's just ridiculous. He's one of the worst 2B at turning the double play. I'm tired of the argument about his fielding percentage because that doesn't tell the story. He doesn't get to most balls and, again, he usually doesn't position himself well enough to turn the DP which is crucial for his position. His reputation is well earned (and judging by the Cubs inability to move him in the offseason, other teams feel that his offense does not outweigh his defensive miscues).

 

 

NEVIN!

 

Walker's offense isn't that good either

He doesn't provide a spark like Neifi.

He doesn't provide ANYTHING PERIOD. He sucks as an overall ballplayer. He and his brother in law can play catch for all I care.

 

And he certainly doesn't provide a spark like neifi.

Edited July 17, 2006 by sethuel1