sulley's simple steps to fixing the cubs

jjgman21 · July 15, 2006

I like the idea of Clark, but I don't think they would want Maddux, or that Maddux would approve the trade, or that it would take all that much to get him. I think some relief help might get the job done. Howry for Clark, straight up. this also gets the Cubs out of Howry's contract, which I don't think he will live up to in 07-08.

I think Clark can be had pretty cheap right now. Word is the Brewers are going to call up Tony Gwynn Jr before their game tonight. That gives them 3 CF's on the major league roster, and a 4th guy (Hall)who can play center. Clark has been losing at bats to Gabe Gross as it was, and seems to have fallen out of favor in Milwaukee dispite his OBP. He is due to make $3.8M next season, and the Brewers could make better use of the money since they aren't even playing Brady.

I would offer Milwaukee Maddux, Dempster, and Neifi for Clark and Billy Hall. Plug Clark in at CF next year and Hall at 2B. They will both make under $4M, while Clark can give you a .380 OBP and Hall can hit 30 HRs with 40 doubles from the 2nd base position. Hall does struggles with OBP, and Clark has no speed or power, but they have strengths and financially they wopuld allow the Cubs to get two impact players (i.e. trade for Abreu and sign Schmidt).

To get Abreu you could offer Marshall, Murton, and Pie for Abreu and a little cash.

2007 Cubs
CF Clark
C Barrett
1B Lee
RF Abreu
3B ARAM
2B Hall
LF Jones
SS Cedeno

SP Zambrano
SP Schmidt
SP Prior
SP cheap FA pitcher (Weaver? Ohka? Meche?)
SP Marmol/Guzman/Hill

BP Howry
BP Eyre
BP Ohman
BP Novoa
BP Wuertz
BP ??? Marmol? Guzman?

that's a sick lineup, but it gets rid of too much young talent, without bringing any back, and pretty much has a one year shot to win before needing complete reconstruction (I think half of your lineup would be FAs in 2008), and costs around 60M for the starting lineup alone.

jjgman21 · July 15, 2006

Anyone worried that Clark has hit nothing but singles this year?

I wouldn't be concerned because he isn't a long term solution, and most of his value is derived from obp, not slugging, and he has maintained his obp. what's his line drive numbers like?

I would be far more concerned about the lack of power out Abreu.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 15, 2006

Anyone worried that Clark has hit nothing but singles this year?

I wouldn't be concerned because he isn't a long term solution, and most of his value is derived from obp, not slugging, and he has maintained his obp. what's his line drive numbers like?

I would be far more concerned about the lack of power out Abreu.

His LD% is a little down from last year, a little up from '04.

Abreu's power has gone down from being a great slugger, to merely pretty decent. Clark has gone from having not much power to not any. Plus Abreu has 50+ points in OBP that help ease the pain of fewer HR.

baseball7897 · July 15, 2006

I hope the Cubs stay away for Abreu and Clark. I really don't understand why Murton is not in anyone's plans? He is a pretty good hitter and is still young.

I would like to see the Cubs sign either Jay Payton or Frank Catalanotto for the bench.

Edited July 15, 2006 by baseball7897

jjgman21 · July 15, 2006

I hope the Cubs stay away for Abreu and Clark. I really don't understand why Murton is not in anyone's plans? He is a pretty good hitter and is still young.

Murton's 100% in my plans, only losing starts here and there to Cruz and Wilson.

TT

Abreu, I agree with 7897. the problem with his power outage is he would be batting in the middle of the order, and is high unlikely to repeat the absurd walk rate he has this year. he's never been a .450 obp guy before, he's been a .400 obp guy. thus the difference in obp's between Clark and Abreu will more likely be along the lines of 15-25 points...and the difference in salaries of about 10M. the difference in obp between a Cruz/Jones RF instead of Abreu would also be about 15-25 points, probably with more power, and cost about 5M less. plus, it wouldn't cost a boatload of young talent to get that rightfield.

edit - also, for his position, Abreu's power has gone from really good to average. he was never a 40 HR guy, not even a 35 HR guy, and currently ranks 31 of 63 among all ML outfielders with 175+ PAs in slg. I see Abreu heading to Edmondsland in terms of production.

Edited July 15, 2006 by jjgman21

baseball7897 · July 15, 2006

If the Cubs have a shot to deal Prior like they had with Baltimore they should consider it. Lackey for Prior would be a deal I would strongly consider.

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Lackey

4. Jeff Weaver

5. Marshall/Marmol/Hill

There you have 5 starters who would take the ball every 5th day

Iceblink · July 15, 2006

Overpay for Freel, drastically overpay for a probably declining Abreu...

A fine imitation of Wayne Krivsky. Why not just trade Cedeno, Aram, and Jones for David Weathers?

jjgman21 · July 15, 2006

If the Cubs have a shot to deal Prior like they had with Baltimore they should consider it. Lackey for Prior would be a deal I would strongly consider.

1. Zambrano
2. Zito
3. Lackey
4. Jeff Weaver
5. Marshall/Marmol/Hill

There you have 5 starters who would take the ball every 5th day

considering the respective years the two are having, why on earth would Anaheim make that trade? I wouldn't mind trading Prior in the right deal, but that's not one that would go down. Lackey is currently having a better season than Prior is capable of, better than Prior's 2003. he's also locked up for a few years at a favorable rate, and makes 30+ starts year after year.

let's be realistic about what Prior would bring. hate to say it, but probably the best thing to do with Prior is play the Kerry Wood game. wait for him to have a healthy year.

dbf1999 · July 16, 2006

Replace entire coaching staff

Ramirez/Prior/Jones for A-Rod (winter deal)

Maddux/Cash for Cesar Izturis (july 06 deal)

Barrett/Prospect for Jeff Mathis (Angels use Barrett as DH)

Sign FA Carlos Lee

Sign FA Barry Zito

No changes to bullpen, give Wood $2M with incentives, hopefully closer by 2008

lineup:

Pierre

Izturis

D Lee

Rodriguez

C Lee

Murton

Cedeno

Mathis

SP

Bench includes: Theriot, Blanco, Pagan, Bynum

SP Zambrano

SP Zito

SP Marshall

SP Marmol/Guzman/Hill/Ryu

Mathis and Izturis are major upgrades defensively. Move Cedeno to 2B, Izturis SS, ARod 3B. If ARod wants to play SS, fine. If Murton doesn't work out, look for LF in July, or call Pie up. As Mathis' hitting improves, move him up to 6 or 7.

If you can't get A-Rod, I would still deal Ramirez. He's lazy. Is he fun to watch? I like Freel, but he's got 2 DWI's in the last year or so...no thanks.

vance_the_cubs_fan · July 16, 2006

Replace entire coaching staff
Ramirez/Prior/Jones for A-Rod (winter deal)
Maddux/Cash for Cesar Izturis (july 06 deal)
Barrett/Prospect for Jeff Mathis (Angels use Barrett as DH)
Sign FA Carlos Lee
Sign FA Barry Zito
No changes to bullpen, give Wood $2M with incentives, hopefully closer by 2008

lineup:
Pierre
Izturis
D Lee
Rodriguez
C Lee
Murton
Cedeno
Mathis
SP

Bench includes: Theriot, Blanco, Pagan, Bynum

SP Zambrano
SP Zito
SP Marshall
SP Marmol/Guzman/Hill/Ryu

Mathis and Izturis are major upgrades defensively. Move Cedeno to 2B, Izturis SS, ARod 3B. If ARod wants to play SS, fine. If Murton doesn't work out, look for LF in July, or call Pie up. As Mathis' hitting improves, move him up to 6 or 7.

If you can't get A-Rod, I would still deal Ramirez. He's lazy. Is he fun to watch? I like Freel, but he's got 2 DWI's in the last year or so...no thanks.

There's no way I'd trade Barrett and maybe more for Mathis. Other than the heart of the line-up with Lee, Rodriguez, and Lee, the line-up leaves a lot to be desired. Pierre and Izturis are fast but not great offensive players. Murton, Cedeno, and Mathis could be a bad lower half. That offense could end up being as bad if not worse than the one we have now. The bench is atocious. The rotation doesn't look all that great either. I'd have to pass big time on this one.

Geech · July 16, 2006

There's no way I'd trade Barrett and maybe more for Mathis. Other than the heart of the line-up with Lee, Rodriguez, and Lee, the line-up leaves a lot to be desired. Pierre and Izturis are fast but not great offensive players. Murton, Cedeno, and Mathis could be a bad lower half. That offense could end up being as bad if not worse than the one we have now. The bench is atocious. The rotation doesn't look all that great either. I'd have to pass big time on this one.

You need strong defense up the middle, Vance. Let those crazy upstarts in the American score all the runs they want, meanwhile the Cobs will be defending their way straight to a world series!

dbf1999 · July 16, 2006

There's no way I'd trade Barrett and maybe more for Mathis. Other than the heart of the line-up with Lee, Rodriguez, and Lee, the line-up leaves a lot to be desired. Pierre and Izturis are fast but not great offensive players. Murton, Cedeno, and Mathis could be a bad lower half. That offense could end up being as bad if not worse than the one we have now. The bench is atocious. The rotation doesn't look all that great either. I'd have to pass big time on this one.

I'd rather have Mathis catching than Barrett. I'm not thrilled with Pierre either, but who else could they get to lead off? Izturis should probably hit 7 or 8, but he was hitting pretty well before he got hurt, and he's only 26. Not to mention his glove. Those moves would leave money to improve the bench. I don't see how the offense could be worse than this year. Yeah, the rotation is weak after Zambrano and Zito...and you'd have a whole lot of money tied up in 5 players (the Lee's, Zito, Zambrano, and ARod).

vance_the_cubs_fan · July 16, 2006

There's no way I'd trade Barrett and maybe more for Mathis. Other than the heart of the line-up with Lee, Rodriguez, and Lee, the line-up leaves a lot to be desired. Pierre and Izturis are fast but not great offensive players. Murton, Cedeno, and Mathis could be a bad lower half. That offense could end up being as bad if not worse than the one we have now. The bench is atocious. The rotation doesn't look all that great either. I'd have to pass big time on this one.

I'd rather have Mathis catching than Barrett. I'm not thrilled with Pierre either, but who else could they get to lead off? Izturis should probably hit 7 or 8, but he was hitting pretty well before he got hurt, and he's only 26. Not to mention his glove. Those moves would leave money to improve the bench. I don't see how the offense could be worse than this year. Yeah, the rotation is weak after Zambrano and Zito...and you'd have a whole lot of money tied up in 5 players (the Lee's, Zito, Zambrano, and ARod).

I can't see any reason to prefer Mathis to Barrett. And to trade Barrett and maybe more to get Mathis would be just lunacy. It really should be the other way around. If the Angels want Barrett, it should cost Mathis and McPherson or something like that. Mathis isn't even the top young catcher in Anaheim any more.

How would the offense be worse?

Pierre is Pierre. There's no upgrade there unless Pierre has a better year than he's having this year.

Izturis isn't likely to produce much or any better than what we have had in the two hole this year. Walker is a more productive hitter. Izturis is a career 261 hitter and his OBP isn't much over 300. So, the top two spots in your line-up are not going to be any better than what we have this year.

The middle of your order is intriguing however. Lee is Lee so that's a wash with this year's line-up. Arod is better than Ramirez and C. Lee is better than what we have in the fifth spot, so you have improved the heart of the order.

Murton is Murton, so unless Murton improves there isn't improvement there. Same with Cedeno. Barrett is so much better than Mathis that this bottom third takes a major hit.

The only way your line-up is any improvement over this year's is if the middle three can provide enough improvement to over-take the losses you'll have in both the upper third and lower third. While it probably will be better, the improvement is only marginal.

CaliforniaRaisin · July 16, 2006

If the Cubs have a shot to deal Prior like they had with Baltimore they should consider it. Lackey for Prior would be a deal I would strongly consider.

Why would the Angels do that?

Sulley, I think you're overpaying for Freel and Abreu.

jjgman21 · July 16, 2006

I think most every trade I have seen overpays, and I can't stand the ideas of building the team via FAs like suggested in the other thread. I am rethinking my earlier suggestions, but am steadfast in my idea that the team need not be blown up or several FA signings are needed to shape this team up. if you are going to overpay, you do it to teams not in contention to get young yet established talent. if you trade with contending teams you have all the bargaining power.

how about this. Maddux to the dodgers as I suggested earlier for Jose Cruz Jr., or to some similar team for a similar player as Cruz. the Dodgers need starters and they have a surplus of outfielders. they would go for it.

the Royals are not going to want to pay DeJesus as he enters arbitration. I think he could be had. Pie, Hill/Marshall, Wuertz/Aardsma for DeJesus.

FA signings are Zito/Schmidt, Craig Wilson, and maybe an innings eatter fourth starter type or bullpen help.

with the premium on setup guys and middle relievers in this market, you still trade away a bunch of the bullpen (Williamson, one or two of Howry/ Dempster/Eyre, Novoa, Wuertz/Aardsma), the crap or soon to be gone anyway (Walker, Pierre, Rusch, Maybr, Nevin, etc.), and one or two of the rest Hill/Marshall, Guz, Ryu, etc. for minor league sticks. I will leave it up to others to figure out some good deals.

here's your lineup with estimated line (attempting middle ground estimates), approximate cost of 45M

DeJesus .385/.475

Fontenot .350/.425

Lee .390/.525

Aram .375/.525

Jones/Cruz .365/.500

Barrett .365/.500

Murton .360/.425

Cedeno

P

Bench approx 9M

Wilson

Theriot

Perez

Soto

Pagan

Cruz/Jones

Rotation, est cost of 31-35M

Z

Zito/Schmidt

Prior

innings eatter or Hill/Marshall/Guz/Ryu

Marmol

Pen, est cost of 12-17M, or a little more if fishing for FAs

the remaining of Howry/Dempster/Eyre

Ohman

remaining right handed young guys

FA or two.

that team is young, good, on base a ton, has 210+ HR potential, and has the added benefit of stocking the farm with some good young sticks. and more than anything, it avoids putting a ton of stupid money into a weak FA crop, and making short end of the stick/giveaway trades.

jjgman21 · July 17, 2006

I think most every trade I have seen overpays, and I can't stand the ideas of building the team via FAs like suggested in the other thread. I am rethinking my earlier suggestions, but am steadfast in my idea that the team need not be blown up or several FA signings are needed to shape this team up. if you are going to overpay, you do it to teams not in contention to get young yet established talent. if you trade with contending teams you have all the bargaining power.

how about this. Maddux to the dodgers as I suggested earlier for Jose Cruz Jr., or to some similar team for a similar player as Cruz. the Dodgers need starters and they have a surplus of outfielders. they would go for it.

the Royals are not going to want to pay DeJesus as he enters arbitration. I think he could be had. Pie, Hill/Marshall, Wuertz/Aardsma for DeJesus.

FA signings are Zito/Schmidt, Craig Wilson, and maybe an innings eatter fourth starter type or bullpen help.

with the premium on setup guys and middle relievers in this market, you still trade away a bunch of the bullpen (Williamson, one or two of Howry/ Dempster/Eyre, Novoa, Wuertz/Aardsma), the crap or soon to be gone anyway (Walker, Pierre, Rusch, Maybr, Nevin, etc.), and one or two of the rest Hill/Marshall, Guz, Ryu, etc. for minor league sticks. I will leave it up to others to figure out some good deals.

here's your lineup with estimated line (attempting middle ground estimates), approximate cost of 45M

DeJesus .385/.475
Fontenot .350/.425
Lee .390/.525
Aram .375/.525
Jones/Cruz .365/.500
Barrett .365/.500
Murton .360/.425
Cedeno
P

Bench approx 9M

Wilson
Theriot
Perez
Soto
Pagan
Cruz/Jones

Rotation, est cost of 31-35M

Z
Zito/Schmidt
Prior
innings eatter or Hill/Marshall/Guz/Ryu
Marmol

Pen, est cost of 12-17M, or a little more if fishing for FAs

the remaining of Howry/Dempster/Eyre
Ohman
remaining right handed young guys
FA or two.

that team is young, good, on base a ton, has 210+ HR potential, and has the added benefit of stocking the farm with some good young sticks. and more than anything, it avoids putting a ton of stupid money into a weak FA crop, and making short end of the stick/giveaway trades.

fourth attempt - anyone? anyone? Anderson. Anderson. Bueller. Bueller.

damn. I got everyone riled up. bumping once more trying to get this to the top.

bumping cuz I don't think anyone saw this in their haste to argue with me. I haven't looked at those threads since my last posts in them. I'm done with those arguments.

come on guys. let's talk about what could be done. we know the sports journalists read this message board. maybe they filter some of the great ideas we come up with back to the front office.

....

alright, enough of the tit for tat in other threads. I worked my way to this plan over the weekend, and I think it is not only a good plan to put the organization back together quickly, it is also feasible. I hoped for comments or argument to help me flesh it out (like earlier in the thread, thanks TT). what does everyone think?

edit - lmao at the auto edit

fromthestretch · July 17, 2006

I think most every trade I have seen overpays, and I can't stand the ideas of building the team via FAs like suggested in the other thread. I am rethinking my earlier suggestions, but am steadfast in my idea that the team need not be blown up or several FA signings are needed to shape this team up. if you are going to overpay, you do it to teams not in contention to get young yet established talent. if you trade with contending teams you have all the bargaining power.

how about this. Maddux to the dodgers as I suggested earlier for Jose Cruz Jr., or to some similar team for a similar player as Cruz. the Dodgers need starters and they have a surplus of outfielders. they would go for it.

the Royals are not going to want to pay DeJesus as he enters arbitration. I think he could be had. Pie, Hill/Marshall, Wuertz/Aardsma for DeJesus.

FA signings are Zito/Schmidt, Craig Wilson, and maybe an innings eatter fourth starter type or bullpen help.

with the premium on setup guys and middle relievers in this market, you still trade away a bunch of the bullpen (Williamson, one or two of Howry/ Dempster/Eyre, Novoa, Wuertz/Aardsma), the crap or soon to be gone anyway (Walker, Pierre, Rusch, Maybr, Nevin, etc.), and one or two of the rest Hill/Marshall, Guz, Ryu, etc. for minor league sticks. I will leave it up to others to figure out some good deals.

here's your lineup with estimated line (attempting middle ground estimates), approximate cost of 45M

DeJesus .385/.475
Fontenot .350/.425
Lee .390/.525
Aram .375/.525
Jones/Cruz .365/.500
Barrett .365/.500
Murton .360/.425
Cedeno
P

Bench approx 9M

Wilson
Theriot
Perez
Soto
Pagan
Cruz/Jones

Rotation, est cost of 31-35M

Z
Zito/Schmidt
Prior
innings eatter or Hill/Marshall/Guz/Ryu
Marmol

Pen, est cost of 12-17M, or a little more if fishing for FAs

the remaining of Howry/Dempster/Eyre
Ohman
remaining right handed young guys
FA or two.

that team is young, good, on base a ton, has 210+ HR potential, and has the added benefit of stocking the farm with some good young sticks. and more than anything, it avoids putting a ton of stupid money into a weak FA crop, and making short end of the stick/giveaway trades.

fourth attempt - anyone? anyone? Anderson. Anderson. Bueller. Bueller.

damn. I got everyone riled up. bumping once more trying to get this to the top.

bumping cuz I don't think anyone saw this in their haste to argue with me. I haven't looked at those threads since my last posts in them. I'm done with those arguments.

come on guys. let's talk about what could be done. we know the sports journalists read this message board. maybe they filter some of the great ideas we come up with back to the front office.

....

alright, enough of the Rusch for tat in other threads. I worked my way to this plan over the weekend, and I think it is not only a good plan to put the organization back together quickly, it is also feasible. I hoped for comments or argument to help me flesh it out (like earlier in the thread, thanks TT). what does everyone think?

edit - lmao at the auto edit

I think you're overpaying for DeJesus. While he'd be a welcome presence at the top of the order, his skill set doesn't justify trading away that much for him.

As for Cruz Jr., why? If you're going to sign Craig Wilson, platoon him with Jones in RF. If you're going to deal Maddux, at least get someone on the right side of 30.

jjgman21 · July 17, 2006

I think you're overpaying for DeJesus. While he'd be a welcome presence at the top of the order, his skill set doesn't justify trading away that much for him.

As for Cruz Jr., why? If you're going to sign Craig Wilson, platoon him with Jones in RF. If you're going to deal Maddux, at least get someone on the right side of 30.

Dejesus - I actually think it might take a little more, but I think he is worth it. he is not the 'prototypical' lead off man. he's the type of leadoff man a team should seek. developing power, and great/developing patience/obp

Cruz - because you need to get something for Maddux, he can play all the outfield really well, mashes lefties. a one year platoon of Jones/Cruz puts up great numbers out of rightfield. Wilson gets 90 starts at 5 positions, is the #1 batter off the bench, and provides the rightfield platoon in right in 08 is Jones isn't gone by then. nobody would trade a player younger than 30 with any talent for Maddux. it's a trade that could go down which provides a benefit to the team.

goonys evil twin · July 17, 2006

I think you're overpaying for DeJesus. While he'd be a welcome presence at the top of the order, his skill set doesn't justify trading away that much for him.

As for Cruz Jr., why? If you're going to sign Craig Wilson, platoon him with Jones in RF. If you're going to deal Maddux, at least get someone on the right side of 30.

I agree. Cruz Jr. is a creative platoon option for Jones, but what's the point of him and Wilson? I'd rather start Wilson in left and platoon Murton with Jones. Use the Maddux deal to acquire somebody with a bit of a future. I'm not sure how accurate, or realistic your cost estimates are. What's the total you are assuming? This might be a decent lineup, and pitching has a chance to be better, just not sure of the likelihood of pulling that all off.

fromthestretch · July 17, 2006

I think you're overpaying for DeJesus. While he'd be a welcome presence at the top of the order, his skill set doesn't justify trading away that much for him.

As for Cruz Jr., why? If you're going to sign Craig Wilson, platoon him with Jones in RF. If you're going to deal Maddux, at least get someone on the right side of 30.

Dejesus - I actually think it might take a little more, but I think he is worth it. he is not the 'prototypical' lead off man. he's the type of leadoff man a team should seek. developing power, and great/developing patience/obp

Cruz - because you need to get something for Maddux, he can play all the outfield really well, mashes lefties. a one year platoon of Jones/Cruz puts up great numbers out of rightfield. Wilson gets 90 starts at 5 positions, is the #1 batter off the bench, and provides the rightfield platoon in right in 08 is Jones isn't gone by then. nobody would trade a player younger than 30 with any talent for Maddux. it's a trade that could go down which provides a benefit to the team.

I think you could get a younger outfielder with a skillset similar to Cruz in exchange for Maddux. Now getting an outfielder with the hype that Cruz had when he was younger is a different story. But Cruz today isn't the same as Cruz five years ago. He's still solid, don't get me wrong. But I'd rather take a chance on some kid in his early-to-mid 20s with a similar skillset.

jjgman21 · July 17, 2006

I think you're overpaying for DeJesus. While he'd be a welcome presence at the top of the order, his skill set doesn't justify trading away that much for him.

As for Cruz Jr., why? If you're going to sign Craig Wilson, platoon him with Jones in RF. If you're going to deal Maddux, at least get someone on the right side of 30.

I agree. Cruz Jr. is a creative platoon option for Jones, but what's the point of him and Wilson? I'd rather start Wilson in left and platoon Murton with Jones. Use the Maddux deal to acquire somebody with a bit of a future. I'm not sure how accurate, or realistic your cost estimates are. What's the total you are assuming? This might be a decent lineup, and pitching has a chance to be better, just not sure of the likelihood of pulling that all off.

the point of both players is depth, 08, flexability, and most importantly, getting something for Maddux. I don't think he fetches anything better to be honest. Wilson also serves as back up at three positions that Cruz can't/doesn't play and as a part of the 08 plans.

I think the cost estimates are pretty close. I tried to use Vance's figures from the FA thread to give me an idea. even if wrong, I don't think it goes over 100M.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 17, 2006

DeJesus signed a contract in March that takes him all the way to free agency.

2006: 500k

2007: 2M

2008: 2.5M

2009: 3.6M

2010: 4.7M

2011: Club Option, 6M v. 500k buyout

jjgman21 · July 17, 2006

DeJesus signed a contract in March that takes him all the way to free agency.

2006: 500k
2007: 2M
2008: 2.5M
2009: 3.6M
2010: 4.7M
2011: Club Option, 6M v. 500k buyout

I wasn't aware of that. that makes him a little more difficult to get, but I think overpaying for a player like DeJesus rather than overpaying for a player like Freel makes alot more sense, and makes tons more sense than trying for Abreu, who will require tons in terms of talent and payroll.

goonys evil twin · July 17, 2006

I wasn't aware of that. that makes him a little more difficult to get, but I think overpaying for a player like DeJesus rather than overpaying for a player like Freel makes alot more sense, and makes tons more sense than trying for Abreu, who will require tons in terms of talent and payroll.

Why? The only time I think overpaying makes sense is when you are getting back a pre-prime stud (Cabrera). And who says you have to overpay for Freel, his GM doesn't seem to want full value for his players.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 17, 2006

DeJesus signed a contract in March that takes him all the way to free agency.

2006: 500k
2007: 2M
2008: 2.5M
2009: 3.6M
2010: 4.7M
2011: Club Option, 6M v. 500k buyout

I wasn't aware of that. that makes him a little more difficult to get, but I think overpaying for a player like DeJesus rather than overpaying for a player like Freel makes alot more sense, and makes tons more sense than trying for Abreu, who will require tons in terms of talent and payroll.

I agree, I'd be willing to overpay(not blindly of course) to get DeJesus.

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