College Football

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I like LSU in the SEC, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[Andy]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

 

haha, what now?

 

Michigan and MSU had a combined 3 games before they played Notre Dame. Are you seriously going to say that people overrating Notre Dame is due to their opponents?

[soccer10k]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

 

Notre Dame's 1st 2 games were Pittsburgh and Michigan. Pittsburgh's first game was against Notre Dame and Michigan's second game was against Notre Dame. After those first two victories Notre Dame was sitting at #10 in the AP poll and #12 in the USA Today Coaches Poll. The damage had been done, so to speak, after Notre Dame's first two games. Pittsburgh couldn't exactly schedule anybody else before that and Michigan only had one game. Do you want those teams to play preseason games so we know how good they are before they play Notre Dame? Because that's the only way to know how good your opponents in the first couple weeks are.

 

The fact is that voters place their votes based on how highly an opponent is ranked at the time of game and completely ignore how the opponent played the rest of the season. Notre Dame received props for beating Michigan and that victory was constantly brought up even though Michigan turned out to be a mediocre team. Notre Dame's ranking should have been reflected by Pittsburgh and Michigan sucking, but it's not.

 

Now with the teams in the later weeks, you make an excellent point but for the first couple weeks you can't know how good your opponent is going to be. And this works both ways. If Team B isn't ranked at the beginning of the year and Team A beats them, Team A probably doesn't get much mention for the victory. But if Team B rattles off victory after victory and ends the year 9-2 or 10-2, then Team A's ranking should increase (assuming they have a good record as well) later in the year because of this victory as well.

[Andy]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

 

haha, what now?

 

Michigan and MSU had a combined 3 games before they played Notre Dame. Are you seriously going to say that people overrating Notre Dame is due to their opponents?

Isn't the entire reason they were overrated due to their murderous-but-oh-wait-a-minute-not-really schedule? You can't help everything, I guess, but Pitt-Mich-MSU, even with what ended up happening, is still a much tougher opening three games than what the majority of BCS conference schools face to open things up.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Isn't the entire reason they were overrated due to their murderous-but-oh-wait-a-minute-not-really schedule?

 

No.

[Skers and Cubbies]

College football is my favorite time of the year.

Very few things can beat a saturday game at Memorial stadium( or Notre Dame think 2000)

http://www.huskerpedia.com/games/2000/seaofred.html

Its impressive or extremely pathetic what fans will do.....

Callahan Slowly warming on me, still not a big fan of his, lingering effects from a 5-6 season, and hes a bleeding Sox fan

I only wish Cosgrove wold have left for the NFL and we could get a better DC.

Cosgrove bad until i see 1) a freaking shutout 2) forgets what a prevent defense is, it is never acceptable.....EVER.

He has meet most of the other criteria.

[TruffleShuffle]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

 

haha, what now?

 

Michigan and MSU had a combined 3 games before they played Notre Dame. Are you seriously going to say that people overrating Notre Dame is due to their opponents?

Isn't the entire reason they were overrated due to their murderous-but-oh-wait-a-minute-not-really schedule? You can't help everything, I guess, but Pitt-Mich-MSU, even with what ended up happening, is still a much tougher opening three games than what the majority of BCS conference schools face to open things up.

 

 

That's nice. They still played a weaker schedule than most of the big boys. You can't compare Notre Dame's first three games to other teams' first three games because Notre Dame plays a non-conference schedule the entire season.

[adamb0719]

I suggest that if you want to know how good ND's schedule is before mid-October, write to the athletic directors of Michigan, MSU, Purdue, et al and tell them to stop scheduling Miami OH, Northern Illinois, Ball State, directional Michigan schools, Baylor, etc. in the early season. No one would have made the mistake of overrating the Irish last season if the other teams had played anyone before their showdown with Weis and Co.

 

haha, what now?

 

Michigan and MSU had a combined 3 games before they played Notre Dame. Are you seriously going to say that people overrating Notre Dame is due to their opponents?

Isn't the entire reason they were overrated due to their murderous-but-oh-wait-a-minute-not-really schedule? You can't help everything, I guess, but Pitt-Mich-MSU, even with what ended up happening, is still a much tougher opening three games than what the majority of BCS conference schools face to open things up.

 

 

That's nice. They still played a weaker schedule than most of the big boys. You can't compare Notre Dame's first three games to other teams' first three games because Notre Dame plays a non-conference schedule the entire season.

 

Did they play a weaker schedule than fellow BSCer FSU?

[Derwood]

HA HA HA HA

 

I knew this thread couldn't go long before it was ndistops vs. the world. Can we ever have a CFB discussion that doesn't turn into a Notre Dame vs. Everyone debate?

[Andy]

However, I know they will find some way to lose a few games; but hopefully they can make it to another BCS game.

 

Which only takes about 7 wins for ND, right?

If you don't want threads to turn into ND vs Everyone, don't make posts like this one, people.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not every post requires a defensive response. There are O$U fans here that don't go nuts everytime we refer to them as O$U, and FSU fans who don't go nuts everytime they see the word Criminoles. Just the other day someone made a post about Quin Snyder that obviously wasn't true, but it was mostly in jest(like HawkeyeCub's post), so it's not worth going nuts over.

[hawkcub]

Not every post requires a defensive response. There are O$U fans here that don't go nuts everytime we refer to them as O$U, and FSU fans who don't go nuts everytime they see the word Criminoles. Just the other day someone made a post about Quin Snyder that obviously wasn't true, but it was mostly in jest(like HawkeyeCub's post), so it's not worth going nuts over.

 

I have to agree with you Tiger. So while were on the topic good luck to Chicken U. J/K

[Mark_R]

It'd be fun if ND could beat a team better than them at some point during the season to make people believe they, themselves, are good.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Geaux Tigers!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

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[CuseCubFan69]

Geaux Tigers!

 

So you're an L$U fan eh?

 

Just to keep in the theme of the thread!

 

How's LSU look this year?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

This should be a rebuilding year for the Bruins - they've lost most of the best players and leaders from last year's 10-2 team (Drew Olson, Marcedes Lewis, Maurice Drew, Spencer Havner, Jarrad Page). Ben Olson, the most hyped QB to come to Westwood since Troy Aikman, will be the starter as a RS sophomore. I expect he'll struggle a bit, though.

 

I expect a 7-5 season (losses to Notre Dame, Cal and Oregon on the road and 2 losses out of the USC, ASU, and Utah home games), anything worse than 6-6 will be disappointing. With the recruiting classes that Dorrell has built up this season (focusing on the OL and DL) and next season (the skill players), I'm actually excited about UCLA football in 2007 - and I don't want Dorrell fired for the first time ever.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

By the way, I don't think USC will win the Pac-10. Either Oregon or Cal will have the honors.

[Flames24Rulz]

Go NIU and Illinois ( :oops: )

[emoore]

By the way, I don't think USC will win the Pac-10. Either Oregon or Cal will have the honors.

 

Go USC! :D

[adamb0719]

I just read a pretty decent article posted on an OSU board. Thought some here may enjoy it, plus maybe get the conversation away from ND.

 

 

 

http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/543760.html

 

It is an article about parity in CFB. Not bad.

[Andy]

Not every post requires a defensive response. There are O$U fans here that don't go nuts everytime we refer to them as O$U, and FSU fans who don't go nuts everytime they see the word Criminoles. Just the other day someone made a post about Quin Snyder that obviously wasn't true, but it was mostly in jest(like HawkeyeCub's post), so it's not worth going nuts over.

Mizzou fans either hated Quin Snyder or thought he was a bad coach for the most part, but I see your point.

 

Under two months now until Sept. 2nd :D

[hawkcub]

It was a good article but being it came from the bucknuts board it's kinda shows the pompous and arrogance of schools like that. Only one school wins a NC every year. There are at least 8 teams that are great every single year and another 15 that are pretty good. Comparing NC's is not a way to decide if there are more elite teams now. OSU didn't win a NC for like 34 years but they were considered elite between that time. There is parity but the top teams still have the advantage.

[adamb0719]

It was a good article but being it came from the bucknuts board it's kinda shows the pompous and arrogance of schools like that. Only one school wins a NC every year. There are at least 8 teams that are great every single year and another 15 that are pretty good. Comparing NC's is not a way to decide if there are more elite teams now. OSU didn't win a NC for like 34 years but they were considered elite between that time. There is parity but the top teams still have the advantage.

 

I am not familiar with the Bucknuts board all that much, and I agree with you about comparing NCs not being the ultimate factor. Unfortunately the flawed poll system gives some good, lower tier teams, little chance of ever making it to the top spot.