Wow, the Braves are horrible

[Mizzou]

I was looking at the standings earlier and saw that the Braves are 14.5 games out and just a half game away from being in dead last. Looks like this will be the year that their title run will finally come to an end.

 

How are they so bad this year?

[goonys evil twin]

Well, they are paying Mike Hampton $13.5 million to do less than Prior or Wood. They have one quality starter, as they're getting a Maddux like year out of Hudson (that's bad Maddux, not good Braves Maddux). But I have a feeling their record is worse than what it "should" be, considering they are ranked in the middle of the pack in hitting and pitching stats.

[RynoRules]

I was looking at the standings earlier and saw that the Braves are 14.5 games out and just a half game away from being in dead last. Looks like this will be the year that their title run will finally come to an end.

 

How are they so bad this year?

 

I think their run of getting great performances from fill-ins, youngins' and utility guys has ended; Smoltz is hurt and aging; their bullpen is horrible.

[Tracer Bullet]

I was looking at the standings earlier and saw that the Braves are 14.5 games out and just a half game away from being in dead last. Looks like this will be the year that their title run will finally come to an end.

 

How are they so bad this year?

 

I think their run of getting great performances from fill-ins, youngins' and utility guys has ended; Smoltz is hurt and aging; their bullpen is horrible.

 

I agree - other than putting any blame on Smoltz. He's got a 1.20 WHIP, .255 BAA, 3/1 K/BB. The ERA is bad, but I'm not concerned about that. He's still getting it done this year.

[goonys evil twin]

I was looking at the standings earlier and saw that the Braves are 14.5 games out and just a half game away from being in dead last. Looks like this will be the year that their title run will finally come to an end.

 

How are they so bad this year?

 

I think their run of getting great performances from fill-ins, youngins' and utility guys has ended; Smoltz is hurt and aging; their bullpen is horrible.

 

I agree - other than putting any blame on Smoltz. He's got a 1.20 WHIP, .255 BAA, 3/1 K/BB. The ERA is bad, but I'm not concerned about that. He's still getting it done this year.

 

Am I missing something?

[abuck1220]

at least they're sucking with a bunch of young players.

[BigSlick]

at least they're sucking with a bunch of young players.

 

Jeff Francoeur may be young, but he's also really bad and almost impossible to fix. (HE HATES WALKING)

 

And Bobby Cox likes him, so he'll be their Neifi for a while.

[TB_11]

But I have a feeling their record is worse than what it "should" be, considering they are ranked in the middle of the pack in hitting and pitching stats.

 

They're four games under their expected W-L, with an 11-21 mark in 1-run games. Still, even if all NL East teams were performing in line with their runs scored and allowed marks, they'd be 12 games back of the Mets.

[texascub]

Some people have been upset with our closer situation as of late, but the Braves' bullpen is only 16-33 in SVO this year, their K/BB ratio is an absolutely horrible 1.54, ERA is 5.03, WHIP is 1.62, and their BAA is .271...it's like their bullpen is made up of nothing but Rusch clones.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Some people have been upset with our closer situation as of late, but the Braves' bullpen is only 16-33 in SVO this year, their K/BB ratio is an absolutely horrible 1.54, ERA is 5.03, WHIP is 1.62, and their BAA is .271...it's like their bullpen is made up of nothing but Rusch clones.

 

Pfft. Rusch would be lucky to put up those numbers.

[texascub]

Some people have been upset with our closer situation as of late, but the Braves' bullpen is only 16-33 in SVO this year, their K/BB ratio is an absolutely horrible 1.54, ERA is 5.03, WHIP is 1.62, and their BAA is .271...it's like their bullpen is made up of nothing but Rusch clones.

 

Pfft. Rusch would be lucky to put up those numbers.

 

Actually Rusch's numbers in relief are almost identical:

 

0-1 4.91 ERA 1.50 K/BB 1.51 WHIP .271 BAA

[goonys evil twin]

But I have a feeling their record is worse than what it "should" be, considering they are ranked in the middle of the pack in hitting and pitching stats.

 

They're four games under their expected W-L, with an 11-21 mark in 1-run games. Still, even if all NL East teams were performing in line with their runs scored and allowed marks, they'd be 12 games back of the Mets.

 

Yeah well, they aren't good. They are middle of the pack in runs for and against, but it's the bottom half of that pack for each, I believe. They've got some issues with both their starting pitchers and their relievers, and no stud hitter.

[BigbadB]

Like we Cub fans have any room to talk. :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

They have 7 pitchers on the DL, and 4 of them on the 60 day DL, including Boyer, Davies, and Hampton. Sucks to be them.

[Derwood]

Isn't Florida still paying Hampton's contract?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Isn't Florida still paying Hampton's contract?

 

Atlanta is on the hook for all of it starting this year.

[goonys evil twin]

Isn't Florida still paying Hampton's contract?

 

I don't know the accuracy, but it seems like the Braves are picking up the bulk.

 

Mike Hampton p

8 years/$121M (01-08), plus $20M 09 club option

 

$20M signing bonus ($1M to charity, $19M deferred to 2009-18 at 3% interest)

01:$8M, 02:$8.5M, 03:$11M, 04:$12M, 05:$12.5M, 06:$13.5M, 07:$14.5M, 08:$15M, 09:$20M club option $6M buyout

Colorado to pay $49M ($20M signing bonus, $8M in 2001, $8.5M in 2002, $2M in 2003, $2M in 2004, $2.5M in 2005, $6M buyout in 2009).

Florida to pay $23.5M ($7M of 2003 salary, $8M in 2004, $8.5M in 2005).

Atlanta to pay $48.5M ($2M of 2003 salary, $2M in 2004, $1.5M in 2005, $13.5M in 2006, $14.5M in 2007, $15M in 2008).

[Derwood]

Good lord. If that isn't the worst contract in the history of pro sports I don't know what is. It makes Adrian Beltre look like a steal

[goonys evil twin]

Good lord. If that isn't the worst contract in the history of pro sports I don't know what is. It makes Adrian Beltre look like a steal

 

Andy and Jim came up just short in an attempt to match.

[A New Era]

Some people have been upset with our closer situation as of late, but the Braves' bullpen is only 16-33 in SVO this year, their K/BB ratio is an absolutely horrible 1.54, ERA is 5.03, WHIP is 1.62, and their BAA is .271...it's like their bullpen is made up of nothing but Rusch clones.

 

Pfft. Rusch would be lucky to put up those numbers.

 

Actually Rusch's numbers in relief are almost identical:

 

0-1 4.91 ERA 1.50 K/BB 1.51 WHIP .271 BAA

 

aHAA!! And improvement for their bullpen! Ladies and Gents, I've just found a place that could take Rusch!!! :D :D :D :roll:

[BigSlick]

Incredibly, Florida might be the second best team in the NL East. (with a ridiculous 14 million dollar pay roll)

Amazing the ineptitude of some franchises. (including our own)

[InconspicuousZ28]

Good lord. If that isn't the worst contract in the history of pro sports I don't know what is. It makes Adrian Beltre look like a steal

 

He had ONE good outing in the World Series for the Mets and everyone stumbled around trying to get him in the off-season after that as a free agent.

 

I couldn't believe it when I found out how much the Rockies agreed to pay him. He promptly did nothing for them, and everyone was shocked. Bah.

[Tracer Bullet]

I was looking at the standings earlier and saw that the Braves are 14.5 games out and just a half game away from being in dead last. Looks like this will be the year that their title run will finally come to an end.

 

How are they so bad this year?

 

I think their run of getting great performances from fill-ins, youngins' and utility guys has ended; Smoltz is hurt and aging; their bullpen is horrible.

 

I agree - other than putting any blame on Smoltz. He's got a 1.20 WHIP, .255 BAA, 3/1 K/BB. The ERA is bad, but I'm not concerned about that. He's still getting it done this year.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Well - I have to admit, I was using Y!'s profile page. In my haste I looked at his career ERA v. Baltimore (4.37), not his ERA (3.73). So that's my bad.

 

Guess that only further supports my point - Smoltz isn't the Braves problem.

[TB_11]

Good lord. If that isn't the worst contract in the history of pro sports I don't know what is. It makes Adrian Beltre look like a steal

 

He had ONE good outing in the World Series for the Mets and everyone stumbled around trying to get him in the off-season after that as a free agent.

 

I couldn't believe it when I found out how much the Rockies agreed to pay him. He promptly did nothing for them, and everyone was shocked. Bah.

 

The Rockies didn't do too well that offseason. They signed Hampton to an 8-year. $124M contract and Denny Neagle to a 5-year, $51M contract. Neither pitcher posted a park-adjusted ERA+ greater than 97 during their time in Colorado.

[cubfan1955]

Wow, the Braves are horrible

And yet they swept the Cubs at Wrigley.