So far

[donobr]

The results at Boise and Mesa make this draft look like the train wreck called the JH flubs.

[Outshined_One]

The results at Boise and Mesa make this draft look like the train wreck called the JH flubs.

 

Wow, knee jerk much?

[Mephistopheles]

Maybe next year we won't xxxx up the first pick again. We should have a top 10 pick, probably a top five pick. Here's to hoping we end up with one of the following: Stock, Weiters, Arencibia, Price, Main.

 

More than likely we will have the #5 pick and waste it on someone like uh Brad Emaus.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Maybe next year we won't xxxx up the first pick again. We should have a top 10 pick, probably a top five pick. Here's to hoping we end up with one of the following: Stock, Weiters, Arencibia, Price, Main.

 

More than likely we will have the #5 pick and waste it on someone like uh Brad Emaus.

 

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

[NCCubFan]

The top two draft choices haven't even started playing yet. I'll admit I wasn't crazy about those picks, but it's WAY too soon to jump to any conclusions about the draft.

[Mephistopheles]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

[Mark_R]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

[NorthsideAvenger]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The results at Boise and Mesa make this draft look like the train wreck called the JH flubs.

 

Of course Boise and Mesa have played 10 games combined and the top talent hasn't even played (Colvin, Samardzija, Rundle and a couple other intriguing prospects like Huseby and Renshaw). Way too early to get an idea either way.

 

And this from someone who roundly criticized the draft.

[goonys evil twin]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

 

It's too early to call a kid a waste but it's not too early to say a kid will be a very good player for the Cubs? I don't get the logic there. We'll be lucky if he turns into a mediocre major league regular.

[goonys evil twin]

The results at Boise and Mesa make this draft look like the train wreck called the JH flubs.

 

Of course Boise and Mesa have played 10 games combined and the top talent hasn't even played (Colvin, Samardzija, Rundle and a couple other intriguing prospects like Huseby and Renshaw). Way too early to get an idea either way.

 

And this from someone who roundly criticized the draft.

 

Did all of their competition have all their top talent playing from the get-go?

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Give this draft 3 years before you call it a sucess or a flop. While Colvins swing has me worried about his transition to wood, even I want him to have a HOF career with the Cubs.

 

Lets all back away from the sharp sticks and let player development do its job for a little while.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The results at Boise and Mesa make this draft look like the train wreck called the JH flubs.

 

Of course Boise and Mesa have played 10 games combined and the top talent hasn't even played (Colvin, Samardzija, Rundle and a couple other intriguing prospects like Huseby and Renshaw). Way too early to get an idea either way.

 

And this from someone who roundly criticized the draft.

 

Did all of their competition have all their top talent playing from the get-go?

 

No (though Eugene had Antonelli and Tempe had Conger), but I don't know the point in judging a draft based on a combined 10 games while the top talent hasn't arrived yet (irregardless of the competition, especially keeping in mind not everyone in the NWL and AZL are 2006 draft choices).

[Soul]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

 

Not even close. Who told you this? He was ranked 170th by BA, well outside the first few rounds.

 

Here, read this:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5713564

 

That's to say nothing of the Cubs' unthinkably frittering away a first-round choice on Clemson's Tyler Colvin, who was regarded as, at best, a fourth- or fifth-round talent.

 

Or this:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060607cubsdraftsep,1,2979325.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

"Yes, it was [surprising]," Colvin said. "I thought if I had a good season, someone would pick me up. Being the 13th pick overall—that's very big."

 

Especially when he was ranked 170th on Baseball America's list of top prospects. But the Cubs figure the 6-foot-3-inch, 190-pound junior will fill out and become a regular center fielder who can hit for average and steal bases.

 

 

This was a reach of the most extreme variety. There can't even be an argument about this. Seriously man, this pick just shows what a complete mess the Cubs are as a franchise. They're treading water in a sea of poor decisions and bad information.

[texascub]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

 

Not even close. Who told you this? He was ranked 170th by BA, well outside the first few rounds.

 

Here, read this:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5713564

 

That's to say nothing of the Cubs' unthinkably frittering away a first-round choice on Clemson's Tyler Colvin, who was regarded as, at best, a fourth- or fifth-round talent.

 

Or this:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060607cubsdraftsep,1,2979325.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

"Yes, it was [surprising]," Colvin said. "I thought if I had a good season, someone would pick me up. Being the 13th pick overall—that's very big."

 

Especially when he was ranked 170th on Baseball America's list of top prospects. But the Cubs figure the 6-foot-3-inch, 190-pound junior will fill out and become a regular center fielder who can hit for average and steal bases.

 

 

This was a reach of the most extreme variety. There can't even be an argument about this. Seriously man, this pick just shows what a complete mess the Cubs are as a franchise. They're treading water in a sea of poor decisions and bad information.

 

During the Draft-Day Blog or one of their articles, BA mentioned that Colvin was shooting up the charts and that atleast one other team besides the Cubs (the White Sox supposedly) thought Colvin was a 1st rounder.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

 

Not even close. Who told you this? He was ranked 170th by BA, well outside the first few rounds.

 

Here, read this:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5713564

 

That's to say nothing of the Cubs' unthinkably frittering away a first-round choice on Clemson's Tyler Colvin, who was regarded as, at best, a fourth- or fifth-round talent.

 

Or this:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060607cubsdraftsep,1,2979325.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

"Yes, it was [surprising]," Colvin said. "I thought if I had a good season, someone would pick me up. Being the 13th pick overall—that's very big."

 

Especially when he was ranked 170th on Baseball America's list of top prospects. But the Cubs figure the 6-foot-3-inch, 190-pound junior will fill out and become a regular center fielder who can hit for average and steal bases.

 

 

This was a reach of the most extreme variety. There can't even be an argument about this. Seriously man, this pick just shows what a complete mess the Cubs are as a franchise. They're treading water in a sea of poor decisions and bad information.

 

During the Draft-Day Blog or one of their articles, BA mentioned that Colvin was shooting up the charts and that atleast one other team besides the Cubs (the White Sox supposedly) thought Colvin was a 1st rounder.

 

Doesn't Tim Wilken have a good track record?

 

And if that is the case, should this pick be written off?

[goonys evil twin]

Doesn't Tim Wilken have a good track record?

 

And if that is the case, should this pick be written off?

 

He's drafted guys who have made the majors. But he hasn't exactly created a juggernaut with his picks.

 

You can't write it off, but there's nothing wrong with criticizing, nor assuming the worst until you've been proved otherwise.

[Soul]

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying we should write Colvin off. But as an appropriate #13 pick? No way.

 

As for Wilkin: I'm not seeing the track record that makes his decisions beyond contestation. Not saying he's terrible, but I'll certainly argue this pick was a reach all day and twice on Sunday.

[TXCubsFan]

Doesn't Tim Wilken have a good track record?

 

And if that is the case, should this pick be written off?

 

He's drafted guys who have made the majors. But he hasn't exactly created a juggernaut with his picks.

You can't write it off, but there's nothing wrong with criticizing, nor assuming the worst until you've been proved otherwise.

 

Given the poor track record the Cubs have had in producing OFs within the minor league system, developing even an average-plus outfielder who starts at Wrigley would be welcome!

[Mephistopheles]

He's a good college OF with average to slightly above average tools across the board. That's the very definition of a future 4th outfielder.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Is what I highlighted a reference to this past draft?

 

Yes. No matter how you slice it drafting Colvin was pretty much a waste.

 

Wow. I understand we reached for him, but give the kid a couple years before you call him a "waste."

 

Agreed. He was STILL considered a 1st rd guy. So, if for nothing else, he went about 15 picks before he should have gone. But Tyler Colvin, will be a very good player for the Cubs.

 

Not even close. Who told you this? He was ranked 170th by BA, well outside the first few rounds.

 

Here, read this:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5713564

 

That's to say nothing of the Cubs' unthinkably frittering away a first-round choice on Clemson's Tyler Colvin, who was regarded as, at best, a fourth- or fifth-round talent.

 

Or this:

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060607cubsdraftsep,1,2979325.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

"Yes, it was [surprising]," Colvin said. "I thought if I had a good season, someone would pick me up. Being the 13th pick overall—that's very big."

 

Especially when he was ranked 170th on Baseball America's list of top prospects. But the Cubs figure the 6-foot-3-inch, 190-pound junior will fill out and become a regular center fielder who can hit for average and steal bases.

 

 

This was a reach of the most extreme variety. There can't even be an argument about this. Seriously man, this pick just shows what a complete mess the Cubs are as a franchise. They're treading water in a sea of poor decisions and bad information.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/261494.html

 

Try this on for size, Soul

 

The pick wasn't as big of a reach as the difference between where Colvin went and where we ranked him on our Top 200 Prospects list might have made it seem.

 

I know of at least one other club that would have considered taking him late in the first round, and my first phone call this morning was from a scout from a third team that thought Colvin was an astute pick at No. 13.

 

But Chicago's Tim Wilken may have the best track record of any scouting director out there--that's a project I need to tackle some day--and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

Colvin's situation is similar to that of Bowling Green State outfielder Nolan Reimold a year ago. He didn't make our Top 200 because he went into a slump trying to impress crosscheckers as we were putting it together, yet he went in the second round to the Orioles. And he has looked like a bargain ever since.

 

Look, Jim Callis mentioned he prolly wouldn't take Colvin at 13, but then that is still based on opinion. Yes...Colvin was a stretch at 13, but NOT, I repeat NOT an outreagous reach as some are overblowing.

 

So, I trust Tim Wilken ability to judge talent, and if he believe Tyler Colvin is worth the gamble at 13, then WHO is anybody to argue with him.

[Mephistopheles]

So one team thought about taking him with the 29th pick in the draft? 29th. We had the 13th. In the first round - value wise - the difference is considerable. Not to mention the White Sox had a 2nd round, 3rd round and 4th round pick. The Cubs don't and liked the guy. That's understandable. So we decide to trade a top 15 pick for a third rounder and a first rounder whose odds of making the major leagues are lower than any one drafted in the first two rounds? It's a quick way to set your system back a year, when our system is manageable at best.

 

As of right now, the Colvin pick looks horrible. He's going to have to prove me wrong. I'd love for Colvin to develop into a quality outfielder. It looks like he's going to end up being a guy with 15 HR power, .340 OBP skills and 10 SB with okay defense. He won't have enough power to play LF, that's a given. He probably won't be fast enough to play CF on a daily basis. So his projection is a 4th outfielder. I'm not going to give Wilken the benefit of the doubt just because his track record. I did that to Jim Hendry once. Look how he and Dusty has run the Cubs and their system into the ground.

 

So, I trust Tim Wilken ability to judge talent, and if he believe Tyler Colvin is worth the gamble at 13, then WHO is anybody to argue with him.

 

Why take a gamble in the first round when you don't pick again until the fifth round when your system needs depth? It's like gambling away rent money.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I don't like the Colvin pick but given what I've read from Jim Callis since the pick, it's definitely not as bad as it first seemed. But that still doesn't justify the pick in my eyes. I wanted Drabek.

[donobr]

So did i,i live 10 miles from Drabek.

[Mephistopheles]

Where? I live in the Woodlands myself.