Ozzie Guillen is trash

[wolf stansson]

Ozzie Guillen is a classman man. Javier Vazquez should have been the pitcher to retaliate. By Vazquez not throwing at a Ranger, and Ozzie not ordering him to, they both send the message that Vazquez is too good for that.

I personally don't think the manager should have to order it, but I think the reasoning here is that it was the 4th inning, the Sox pen sucks, and they needed Javier to eat some innings.

If Gibby could have done something to save us from his brutal commentating

There's still time!

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[CubsBullsBears]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

[reggiemiller rules]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

 

Have any of your 227 post not been about the Cards or the White Sox. You are so obsessed with those two teams. Let the hatred go and talk about the cubs some.

[CubsBullsBears]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

 

Have any of your 227 post not been about the Cards or the White Sox. You are so obsessed with those two teams. Let the hatred go and talk about the cubs some.

First off, I talk about the Cubs plenty. Secondly, Jordan>Miller.

Miller was the NBA equivilant to Mark Buerhle to me. A prick who played on a team who's guts I hate

[Laura]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

 

Have any of your 227 post not been about the Cards or the White Sox. You are so obsessed with those two teams. Let the hatred go and talk about the cubs some.

First off, I talk about the Cubs plenty. Secondly, Jordan>Miller.

Miller was the NBA equivilant to Mark Buerhle to me. A [jerk] who played on a team who's guts I hate

 

Watch the language. And the use of possessive pronouns.

[Andy]

What's this about killing Hafner?

[Flames24Rulz]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

 

Have any of your 227 post not been about the Cards or the White Sox. You are so obsessed with those two teams. Let the hatred go and talk about the cubs some.

First off, I talk about the Cubs plenty. Secondly, Jordan>Miller.

Miller was the NBA equivilant to Mark Buerhle to me. A prick who played on a team who's guts I hate

 

Wow, relax man. As a Bulls fan, I didn't like Reggie Miller at all when he played the Bulls, but I still believed he was a great player. I was lucky enough to go to his final game at the UC and during the player intros, I joined about 3/4's of the UC and cheered for him. I can understand why people didn't like Miller, but he was a great player and I admired his competitiveness when he played. I also never had nothing against the Pacers, even though they gave the Bulls their toughest challenge in 98. I was their biggest fan when they played the Lakers in the finals a few years later...then again I was also the 76ers and Nets biggest fans when they played LA.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Watch the language. And the use of possessive pronouns.

 

I needed that! :lol:

[chuckywang]

Put yourself in the rookie's shoes. I would be so pissed off and frustrated. First of all, YOU are being sent into the game for a team you do not know to do the MANAGER'S dirty work. You are then pulled after doing something POSITIVE and then CHEWED OUT on CAMERA! The next day, you are then SENT BACK DOWN to the minors. Oh, and you cannot do ANYTHING about this!! Nothing at all!

 

It sucks when you have an unreasonable boss that you know is treating you unfairly but you can't do anything about, cause you'd get fired otherwise.

[CubsBullsBears]

What's this about killing Hafner?

That fastball that him in the face. It was intentional.

[CubsBullsBears]

Line drive off Buehrle's head plz.

 

I'm game.

 

So when Steve Kline suggest that Mark Prior get hit by one, it's wrong, and it's okay for two of us to say it.

 

I'm becoming less and less proud to be a Cub fan with comments lke this. There's a 4-page thread on Ozzie Guillen, a manager with a World Series ring and a competitive team this year, and it's all negative. So many "real" Cub fans talk about how obsessed with the Cubs Sox fans are, and how they're fickle, and don't exist. Judging by this section of the board and half the people that are/were Cub "fans," many of us aren't too far from that either.

 

I feel like making some of you feel like that Sox pitcher last night. Grow up. I find it real tough to criticize a manager who just brought a World Series to a town where our manager does nothing but underachieve and make excuses. Yes, it was wrong, but how many of you wouldn't trade Guillen for Baker?

Prior has never pissed off anyone in the papers or on the field (hitting Bonds doesn't count). Buerhle is right up there with Bonds among players who are pricks. Someone who accuses Dempster of being on the juice, says Mad Dog uses spit, says the Rangers use a scoreboard to steal signs, someone who tries to kill Travis Hafner, it's pretty easy to wish for a line drive or a 100 mph fastball to his head.

 

Have any of your 227 post not been about the Cards or the White Sox. You are so obsessed with those two teams. Let the hatred go and talk about the cubs some.

First off, I talk about the Cubs plenty. Secondly, Jordan>Miller.

Miller was the NBA equivilant to Mark Buerhle to me. A prick who played on a team who's guts I hate

 

Wow, relax man. As a Bulls fan, I didn't like Reggie Miller at all when he played the Bulls, but I still believed he was a great player. I was lucky enough to go to his final game at the UC and during the player intros, I joined about 3/4's of the UC and cheered for him. I can understand why people didn't like Miller, but he was a great player and I admired his competitiveness when he played. I also never had nothing against the Pacers, even though they gave the Bulls their toughest challenge in 98. I was their biggest fan when they played the Lakers in the finals a few years later...then again I was also the 76ers and Nets biggest fans when they played LA.

I have always hated Reggie Miller. I was rooting for the Lakers over the Pacers that year. Actually, I was rooting for the Lakers all 3 years, b/c of Phil Jackson. My dad and I were so happy when the Pacers were eliminated last year and Reggie Miller retired without ever winning a ring. I never said Miller sucks. I just said Jordan was better. Pacers fans brag about getting to see highlights of Miller's 3-pointers on Reggie Miller retirement night. I laugh at them and tell them I got to see highlights of 6 titles on Michael Jordan retirement night. I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You have a really small circle of trust, don't you?

[Andy]

You have a really small circle of trust, don't you?

 

O <--- circle of trust

 

. <--- Greg

[rocket]

I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

 

cubs fans shouldn't be making fun of other teams that don't win championships.

[RynoRules]

I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

 

cubs fans shouldn't be making fun of other teams that don't win championships.

 

Bulls fans can.

[CubsBullsBears]

I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

 

cubs fans shouldn't be making fun of other teams that don't win championships.

Well Bulls fans can so screw you.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

 

cubs fans shouldn't be making fun of other teams that don't win championships.

Well Bulls fans can so screw you.

 

I bet you're Mr. Congeniality at your school.

[Banedon]

I enjoy shoving this fact in Pacers fans faces:

 

Rings Jordan won: 6

Rings Miller won: 0

 

cubs fans shouldn't be making fun of other teams that don't win championships.

Well Bulls fans can so screw you.

 

Consider this a warning. Knock off it off.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What's this about killing Hafner?

That fastball that him in the face. It was intentional.

 

Definitely sounds like attempted murder to me.

[RationalSoxFan]

Considering it was a changeup that hit him...

[bc2k]

Ozzie Guillen is a classman man. Javier Vazquez should have been the pitcher to retaliate. By Vazquez not throwing at a Ranger, and Ozzie not ordering him to, they both send the message that Vazquez is too good for that.

I personally don't think the manager should have to order it, but I think the reasoning here is that it was the 4th inning, the Sox pen sucks, and they needed Javier to eat some innings.

 

Had Vazquez hit a Ranger after the first time AJP was hit, he would not have been ejected from the game since the umpire warnings came after the second time AJP was hit.

 

You might argue that Vazquez didn't know Padilla was intentionally hitting AJP until the second hbp, but Vazquez said in a postgame interview that he thought Padilla hit AJP intentionally the first time.

 

Thus, the responsibility is on Vazquez for protecting his catcher and the rest of his hitters. Had he done so, he might have saved his catcher a second hbp, or gotten Padilla ejected since warning would have been issused after Vazquez's retaliation pitch.

[RationalSoxFan]

Another factor of the entire episode was the strategy of the Rangers. Vazquez has owned the inside corner this season, and was leading the league in HBP. He loves to work the inside and is not afraid to hit someone. Although the Rangers were already ahead, it was pretty good strategy by a dreadful manager in Showalter.

[JonnyRed]

It was terrible to snap on Tracey, but it was much worse to bean AJ TWICE. There was no history between them whatsoever.

 

Any beaning of AJ is a good beaning in my book! (Except at his head of course)

[jaydee]

And Ozzie just keeps talking. It gets tiring hearing him pretend he is some tough guy from the streets. The guy is rich, rich, rich. And got it the easy way. Gimme a break. Hope the sox collapse just to see him totally fall apart.