How do you see the trade deadline going down for us?

[A New Era]

Ok, it's obvious we will be "sellers" (more like dumpers). . We won't be needing any huge slugging or HR guy at the deadline.

 

But I don't view the Cubs as a team that needs to "sell" because they have such a high payrole. It's not like they "NEED" to unload contracts of stars like small market teams would. They'd get young talent for the likes of Ramirez, Lee, Zambrano, ect. . .

 

What the Cubs need to do is keep the good stuff, and dump the junk (if even for minimal prospects). .

 

Who do you see going and staying? I personally see Cedeno as a long time Cubs SS and I have absolutely no problems with that. Actually the more I think about it, the more I realize the Cubs probably won't make many moves at all during the trade deadline. They won't get rid of all the junk they need to, and they won't bring in anyone marginally better than what we have. Because Hendry has been a guy that at the deadline, would bring someone big, in. He doesn't need to do that this year. So I am clueless as how he will handle the trades, with THIS team.

 

What do ya think?

[Rusch33]

I possibly see Maddux going to a contender, and us probably dumping Pierre too.

[CubfaninCA]

If they're sellers, Walker's gone for sure. I mean they have Neifi & Womack as backups, so they're set in Dusty's "mind." The Mets are a perfect fit for Walker.

 

Pierre's probably going somewhere and they'll bring up Pie.

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC. Since he's near the end, I expect he'd want to finish up in a pennant race.

 

Jmo but Rusch gets packaged w/ either Maddux or Walker.

 

Williamson's probably dealt.

 

I think they'll hang onto Wood, cause first they have no ballz. Second they'll want to see if he's worthy of resigning.

 

They'll have to get one heck of an offer for Ramirez, and Hendry will hang onto Howry, Dempster & Eyre.

[soccer10k]

Going down the list of players that could be traded. I'm not including the young guys like Marshall and Cedeno that are cheap (and will be for a couple years) because I'm assuming Hendry won't get rid of them. This is also assuming the Cubs are completely out of it by the middle of July. If they have a chance at the division and/or wild card (i.e. Cincinnati stumbles, the Cards suffer w/out Pujols, and Houston doesn't recover), Hendry will be a buyer not a seller

 

Dempster, Eyre, and Howry: aren't going anywhere

Maddux: could be traded if he wants to be but the Cubs probably won't get much in return unless Maddux picks up his performance.

Novoa: unlikely anybody wants him

Ohman, Rusch: could just because they are lefties and could be part of a package. this also depends on injuries that team suffer.

Williamson: could be traded depending on injuries and assuming he gets healthy

Wood: I don't think he'll be traded. If he pitches well, Hendry will keep him. If he doesn't pitch well or gets injured, nobody will want him

 

Barrett: not going anywhere

Lee: see above

Nevin: most likely to be traded because we have Lee.

Perez: I don't see anybody wanting him, we're stuck with him but could go as part of a package

Ramirez: not going anywhere unless he's part of a REALLY good deal

Walker: we shopped him in the offseason so he'll get traded and he's a FA after the year

Womack: if somebody wants him. also depends on if Neifi or Walker get traded

Jones: he'll get traded if something good in return is offered, otherwise he'll stay

Mabry: could be traded if there's an offer

Pierre: FA after the year so if somebody wants him, he'll get traded

[Shavo]

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC.

 

How many times must this be proven false until people stop saying it?

[Scott G. F.]

Good Bye to

 

Walker

Jones

Pierre

Nevin

Howery

Maddux

Mabry

 

Possibly

 

Prior

Wood

Am Ram

Womack

Neifi

Marmol

Rusch

[Tracer Bullet]

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC.

 

How many times must this be proven false until people stop saying it?

 

Well, it's technically false. But it's also been written by nearly all the writers, including Bruce, that there's a handshake agreement that Maddux won't be dealt w/o his approval. So it's effectively a NTC, though not technically one.

 

Sure, JH could go back on his word. Although I think he's done a pretty bad job as GM (at least recently), I don't think he'd throw away his reputation with all players by dealing Maddux against his wishes.

[goonys evil twin]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't know how it will go down but I would love to see Maddux traded and Glutton Rusch, and Neifi gone one way or another. Actually, seeing Bynum gone too would be a good thing.

 

EDIT: How could I forget the bum Pierre, I would love to see this guy traded too. He has been as worthless as they come for us.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs are sellers, and they should be, a strong inventory should be taken.

 

As was stated in the original post, the Cubs do not have to move contracts. Unless I'm impressed with an offer, I wouldn't trade any player that would be under team control for next season unless it's a player I would like to be rid of such as Rusch. That means someone would have to overpay for arms like Howry or Eyre.

 

Secondly, every player not under team control would be available. If it's a player that I would like to have beyond 2006, I'd try to get the extension locked up now. If the player was not interested in signing an extension, I'd tell them they would likely be traded and that we'd negotiate with them next offseason as we pursued them as a FA.

 

That means, take what you can get for:

1. Maddux

2. Wood

3. Walker

4. Pierre

5. Nevin

6. Perez

7. Mabry

8. Blanco

9. Williamson

10. Miller

11. Womack

 

Will all of those be traded? Certainly not, but I'd try to gather as many prospects as I could in return. During the offseason, those prospects might be useful in deals to acquire talent from teams dropping payroll. There's very few players on that list that should figure into the Cubs long range plans. I think this would be the best possible approach.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC.

 

How many times must this be proven false until people stop saying it?

 

Well, it's technically false. But it's also been written by nearly all the writers, including Bruce, that there's a handshake agreement that Maddux won't be dealt w/o his approval. So it's effectively a NTC, though not technically one.

 

Sure, JH could go back on his word. Although I think he's done a pretty bad job as GM (at least recently), I don't think he'd throw away his reputation with all players by dealing Maddux against his wishes.

 

If we replaced Hendry, would that nulify the handshake agreement?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC.

 

How many times must this be proven false until people stop saying it?

 

Well, it's technically false. But it's also been written by nearly all the writers, including Bruce, that there's a handshake agreement that Maddux won't be dealt w/o his approval. So it's effectively a NTC, though not technically one.

 

Sure, JH could go back on his word. Although I think he's done a pretty bad job as GM (at least recently), I don't think he'd throw away his reputation with all players by dealing Maddux against his wishes.

 

I can't find a link right now but just a week or two ago, when asked about the possibility of being traded, Maddux responded that he had no idea because he did not have a NTC so it was out of his hands.

[BigbadB1679666149]

If we replaced Hendry, would that nulify the handshake agreement?

 

Probably not. They have no reason to be disrespectful to Maddux. There are 3 teams in the Southwest that they could trade him to, so there really isn't any reason to be disrespectful to him, either.

 

See what the Padres, D-Backs or Dodgers are willing to give up for Maddux. All three teams might feel that a quality starter might put them over the hump down the stretch. Maddux would probably be a 3.25 ERA or better pitcher pitching regularly in Petco.

[TheDude]

I think the Cubs are best off dealing Maddux, Walker, Pierre, and Wood to contenders, though if Wood continues to miss starts or struggle the willingness to gamble on him probably disappears.

 

Walker has value for the dollar unlike any other Cub asset, and that should raise the value of the return prospect.

 

Pierre hopefully has value to a contender. I just hope his value doesn't fall to reserve speed man for a contender, ala Dave Roberts to the Sox in 2004.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Sell 'em all, start from scratch. And by all, I mean the team, MacPhail, Hendry, etc.

[bleedcubbieblue]

 

They'll look to deal Maddux. Tough to tell what Maddux will want, as he has a NTC.

 

How many times must this be proven false until people stop saying it?

 

Well, it's technically false. But it's also been written by nearly all the writers, including Bruce, that there's a handshake agreement that Maddux won't be dealt w/o his approval. So it's effectively a NTC, though not technically one.

 

Sure, JH could go back on his word. Although I think he's done a pretty bad job as GM (at least recently), I don't think he'd throw away his reputation with all players by dealing Maddux against his wishes.

 

There was a quote from last Sunday's Trib from Maddux in which he said he does not have one;

 

"Whatever," Maddux said. "There's nothing I can do about [a trade]. I don't have a no-trade clause."

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-0606040254jun04,1,2415632.story

 

BCB

[Tedward]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

[goonys evil twin]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

 

If he wants a somewhat proven veteran, he seems to know how to get him. But all he's going to do is trade for a tall hard thrower who walks nearly as many as he strikes out. Maybe he'll get a small lefty with a nice minor league record but very weak peripherals.

[CuseCubFan69]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

 

If he wants a somewhat proven veteran, he seems to know how to get him. But all he's going to do is trade for a tall hard thrower who walks nearly as many as he strikes out. Maybe he'll get a small lefty with a nice minor league record but very weak peripherals.

 

You nailed it gooney.....that's our Jimmy.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

 

The only selling I can remember him doing has all come after the trading deadline (waiver deals) when all we got were unmentionables in return. And yes, unmentionables could mean underwear.

[CubinNY]

...Badly

[CubfaninCA]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

 

the cubs haven't been sellers for a while.

 

iirc hendry's pulled off the best deadline deals the past 3 years. (lawton 05, nomar/murton - 04, aram/lofton -03) unfortunately, lawton forgot how to get on base like he did in pittsburgh.

[Banedon]

I see it going rather poorly, like everything else these guys do.

 

Seriously, has Hendry made any decent moves being in the seller position in previous years? I can't recall that there have been any good ones.

 

I seem to recall him moving Flash to Houston a few years ago for a couple of Houston A ball pitchers, but I don't believe any of them panned out for us. I suppose there may have been other moves too, but I'm not that confident he'll be able to get the right prospect back in deal right now.

 

the cubs haven't been sellers for a while.

 

iirc hendry's pulled off the best deadline deals the past 3 years. (lawton 05, nomar/murton - 04, aram/lofton -03) unfortunately, lawton forgot how to get on base like he did in pittsburgh.

 

Hendry managed to sell/dump Hundley, but that wasn't at the trade deadline, and not exactly what I think you were driving at.