Once again, OBP a good thing

[wade]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

[cubfan1955]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

SHOCKED I tell you. I'm just SHOCKED! :twisted: Someone needs to let Dusty & Co. know it's easier to score runs when you have guys on base.

[CubinNY]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

SHOCKED I tell you. I'm just SHOCKED! :twisted: Someone needs to let Dusty & Co. know it's easier to score runs when you have guys on base.

No its that darned BA w/RISP.

[Derwood]

The Cubs don't value OBP. WE GET IT!

[wade]

The Cubs don't value OBP. WE GET IT!

 

Sadly management doesn't, and it's articles like these that make me wish they would. It just seems like teams don't have to be as honed in other areas (defense, dodging injuries, etc.) if they have the ability to have lots of baserunners throughout the game to fall back on.

[cheapseats]

It really is a good article.

 

I couldn't help but think of the Cubs when I read it yesterday.

[imb]

what good is obp if you cant catch the ball?

[gflore34]

what good is obp if you cant catch the ball?

 

...or run fast?

[CubfaninCA]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

 

Exclude all the guys w/ injuries and the Yankees probably still have the highest payroll in baseball.

[Chocolate Milk]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

 

Exclude all the guys w/ injuries and the Yankees probably still have the highest payroll in baseball.

 

And...??? What does this have to do with the point of the article?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Giambi: 458

Jeter: 435

Posada: 420

ARod: 398

Melky: 375

Damon: 370

[CubfaninCA]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

 

Exclude all the guys w/ injuries and the Yankees probably still have the highest payroll in baseball.

 

And...??? What does this have to do with the point of the article?

 

pretty simple. if you have the most money, then there's a good chance you'll have the best hitters. giambi, jetah, arod, posada and damon cost about as much as the entire cub payroll.

[Chocolate Milk]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5173

 

May need subscription. Article basically says that a team like the Yankees, with all their pitching woes, injuries to big offensive starts, etc., can still have a very good record because they lead the world in OBP, which in turn helps them with runs scored.

 

Exclude all the guys w/ injuries and the Yankees probably still have the highest payroll in baseball.

 

And...??? What does this have to do with the point of the article?

 

pretty simple. if you have the most money, then there's a good chance you'll have the best hitters. giambi, jetah, arod, posada and damon cost about as much as the entire cub payroll.

 

Uh, I'm not really sure why you are bringing up payroll but, yeah they spend a lot of money are players that have good OBP's. That combination of players produces a lot of runs in part because of their excellent team OBP. That's how they can still have a good record with mediocre pitching and injuries (Point of the article).

[CubfaninCA]

The Yankees are a poor example to prove one's point about obp. Nearly every team would love to have Jeter, Giambi, Arod, Posada and Damon, but no one has $85 million to throw out on 5 players.

 

Heck Lee, Walker, Cedeno, Aram, Murton, Pierre, Jones & Barrett cost around $37 million. That's as much as Giambi and Jeter make.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Yankees are a poor example to prove one's point about obp.

 

Not really. They have a high team OBP and score a lot of runs. Seems like a good example.

[CubsBullsBears]

"Walks clog the bases for guys who can run." :roll: :roll: :roll:

And Hendry thinks Dusty is a great manager :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MembersOnlyJacket]

the yankees are just more clutch than the cubs...

[Derwood]

the yankees are just more clutch than the cubs...

 

except a-rod, who isn't (though he actually is)

[BigbadB]

The Yankees are a poor example to prove one's point about obp.

 

Not really. They have a high team OBP and score a lot of runs. Seems like a good example.

 

Let's look at Cincinnati, who spends less on their roster than the Cubs.

 

OBP of the Cincinnati Reds:

 

Felipe Lopez= .369

Austin Kearns= .363

Adam Dunn= .380

Edwin Encarnacion= .364

Brandon Phillips= .361

Ryan Freel= .378

Scott Hatteberg= .400

Ken Griffey= .352

Rich Aurlia= .338

 

The Reds have drawn more than 100 more walks than the Cubs. They've also scored nearly a 100 more runs. Of the players listed, only Griffey and Dunn make significant money.

 

5 Cincinnati hitters have over 30 RBI's on the season. 7 have over 20.

 

They've had 788 base runners via hit or walk. As a team, their batting average is only .268. That's really not all that great.

 

Cubs have had 647 base runners via hit or walk. 141 less than the Reds.

 

The Reds are scoring more runs because they get more guys on base. Plain and simple.

[CubfaninCA]

The Yankees are a poor example to prove one's point about obp.

 

Not really. They have a high team OBP and score a lot of runs. Seems like a good example.

 

Let's look at Cincinnati, who spends less on their roster than the Cubs.

 

OBP of the Cincinnati Reds:

 

Felipe Lopez= .369

Austin Kearns= .363

Adam Dunn= .380

Edwin Encarnacion= .364

Brandon Phillips= .361

Ryan Freel= .378

Scott Hatteberg= .400

Ken Griffey= .352

Rich Aurlia= .338

 

The Reds have drawn more than 100 more walks than the Cubs. They've also scored nearly a 100 more runs. Of the players listed, only Griffey and Dunn make significant money.

 

5 Cincinnati hitters have over 30 RBI's on the season. 7 have over 20.

 

They've had 788 base runners via hit or walk. As a team, their batting average is only .268. That's really not all that great.

 

Cubs have had 647 base runners via hit or walk. 141 less than the Reds.

 

The Reds are scoring more runs because they get more guys on base. Plain and simple.

 

cincy slugs like crazy too.

 

how about oakland and sd? they take tons of walks. how they doing?

[imb]

San Diego is 15th in the NL in obp, Oakland is 10th in the AL in obp.

 

We're not talking about only walks, we're talking about obp. Try looking things up before speaking.

[BigbadB]

Cubs pitchers threw 164 pitches through 8 innings.

Reds pitchers threw 136 pitches through 9 innings.

 

Same old song and dance. Opposing hitters show more patience and they rack up more OBP and more runs scored.

 

Cub hitters tonight had 5 hits and zero walks.

Reds hitters tonight had 10 hits and 5 walks.

[cubfan1955]

Cubs pitchers threw 164 pitches through 8 innings.

Reds pitchers threw 136 pitches through 9 innings.

 

Same old song and dance. Opposing hitters show more patience and they rack up more OBP and more runs scored.

 

Cub hitters tonight had 5 hits and zero walks.

Reds hitters tonight had 10 hits and 5 walks.

It just doesn't get any clearer than that. Our coaches, manager and front office are asleep at the wheel.

[gus_dog]

It's simple - value each and every at bat, as if it is the TEAM's last at bat. Play like a team, hit like a team. Show some patience. It's called situational hitting, and the Cubs absolutely suck at doing it. It is a philosophical approach that is just not promoted in the organization. This organization promotes those who swing away, and swing some more. Murton Lee & Walker are our patient hitters, and they are products of other farm systems......players come in and quickly adopt the Cub swinging philosophy because it is easy to do, you know, swing away, get a hit. Hitters love to hit, walking is what happens when the pitcher is so bad they're not even close.