ARod.....

[SCCubbieFAN]

I refuse to let this die.

 

Wood/Aramis/Jones and a reliever.

 

Aramis would thrive in a lineup like what the Yankees have. Surround him with great hitters and he'll get all the pitches he wants to blast. I wish the Pirates had some trade needs we could fill, because Craig Wilson would be perfect to slide into RF. I'd prefer to hold off on Pie until next year.

In theory, it'd be a good offer, but another team would trump it if ARod was on the block. If he ever gets traded, the team that gets him will vastly overpay.

 

The Cubs suckiness this year has created a PR nightmare for Hendry and company. Since Hendry refuses to dump dusty, which many fans want to see and which might result in JH saving some face, I can see Hendry making a big move like acquiring A-Rod to get him back into the fans' good graces, at least some of the fans.

 

Who is playing CF for the Yanks right now? Any chance the Cubs can convince the Yanks to take JP? If so, I'd do Wood, Aram, and JP and if necessary Hill. Move JJ to center and get Wilson or bring up Pie and leave JJ in right.

[Sammy Sofa]

I agree with Hendry probably looking out for a big trade he can pull off to up this team's image drastically...I just hope it's a smart one.

 

If The Cubs were trying to trade for A-Rod and dump Slap in the deal, they'd have to offer one of their top relievers as part of it...probably Howry or Eyre and most of their salary. I think if Jones stays hot and they use him they could offer someone like Novoa or Wuertz or Williamson (if he heals quick and gets back out there).

[Backtobanks]

I refuse to let this die.

 

Wood/Aramis/Jones and a reliever.

 

Aramis would thrive in a lineup like what the Yankees have. Surround him with great hitters and he'll get all the pitches he wants to blast. I wish the Pirates had some trade needs we could fill, because Craig Wilson would be perfect to slide into RF. I'd prefer to hold off on Pie until next year.

In theory, it'd be a good offer, but another team would trump it if ARod was on the block. If he ever gets traded, the team that gets him will vastly overpay.

 

I don't think that the bolded statement is necessarily true. Arod has been the whipping boy of Steinbrenner, the fans, and the media in NY. Also, taking into account is his salary and how much the new team will pay. Of course, everyone's definition of "overpaying" may be different. I happen to think the offer you stated (Wood, Aram, Jones, and a reliever) is overpaying depending on salary issues and other deals that the Cubs might make.

[UBlink]

I refuse to let this die.

 

Wood/Aramis/Jones and a reliever.

 

Aramis would thrive in a lineup like what the Yankees have. Surround him with great hitters and he'll get all the pitches he wants to blast. I wish the Pirates had some trade needs we could fill, because Craig Wilson would be perfect to slide into RF. I'd prefer to hold off on Pie until next year.

In theory, it'd be a good offer, but another team would trump it if ARod was on the block. If he ever gets traded, the team that gets him will vastly overpay.

 

I don't think that the bolded statement is necessarily true. Arod has been the whipping boy of Steinbrenner, the fans, and the media in NY. Also, taking into account is his salary and how much the new team will pay. Of course, everyone's definition of "overpaying" may be different. I happen to think the offer you stated (Wood, Aram, Jones, and a reliever) is overpaying depending on salary issues and other deals that the Cubs might make.

 

Looked at another way, did the Yankees overpay when they traded for ARod? I don't think so. If the Yankees could get him from Texas without overpaying, what has changed this time around?

[TB_11]

Considering the Yankees only have ~8% of their payroll allocated to A-Rod (estimate, they're picking up around ~$16M/year on a $200M payroll), there's virtually no chance that the they trade him. The Cubs would have to offer something along the lines of Zambrano+Jones+pitching prospect for the Yankees to even blink at any Cubs offers.

[erik316wttn]

I refuse to let this die.

 

Wood/Aramis/Jones and a reliever.

 

Aramis would thrive in a lineup like what the Yankees have. Surround him with great hitters and he'll get all the pitches he wants to blast. I wish the Pirates had some trade needs we could fill, because Craig Wilson would be perfect to slide into RF. I'd prefer to hold off on Pie until next year.

In theory, it'd be a good offer, but another team would trump it if ARod was on the block. If he ever gets traded, the team that gets him will vastly overpay.

 

I don't think that the bolded statement is necessarily true. Arod has been the whipping boy of Steinbrenner, the fans, and the media in NY. Also, taking into account is his salary and how much the new team will pay. Of course, everyone's definition of "overpaying" may be different. I happen to think the offer you stated (Wood, Aram, Jones, and a reliever) is overpaying depending on salary issues and other deals that the Cubs might make.

 

Looked at another way, did the Yankees overpay when they traded for ARod? I don't think so. If the Yankees could get him from Texas without overpaying, what has changed this time around?

 

They're the Yankees.

 

We're the Cubs.

[Sammy Sofa]

Considering the Yankees only have ~8% of their payroll allocated to A-Rod (estimate, they're picking up around ~$16M/year on a $200M payroll), there's virtually no chance that the they trade him. The Cubs would have to offer something along the lines of Zambrano+Jones+pitching prospect for the Yankees to even blink at any Cubs offers.

 

I think you're drastically underestimating how desperately they need help in the starting rotation, the bullpen and the outfield. Fill those needs with a player each (Wood, Aardsma or ahealthy Williamson, Jones) plus Aramis and that's definitely an offer the Yankees would be foolish to not at least think over. They're a competitive team with a real chance to win, as usual. Up until this point, A-Rod has the perception, unfairly, that he's not someone who is going to push them to another WS crown.

[davearm]

This whole discussion is predicated on the assumption that the Yankees are unhappy with ARod, or that he's in Steinbrenner's doghouse, or that they think he's not clutch, or that he's seen as "not a true Yankee", etc. etc.

 

Only then does a trade become a possibility, and at that point, what the Yanks would demand back is anybody's guess. They certainly have some big holes right now that the Cubs could go a long way toward filling with the likes of Ramirez, Jones, Wood, and Williamson.

 

On the other hand, if the Yankees still value ARod as one of the best 3 or 4 hitters in the game, then you can forget all of this.

[TB_11]

Considering the Yankees only have ~8% of their payroll allocated to A-Rod (estimate, they're picking up around ~$16M/year on a $200M payroll), there's virtually no chance that the they trade him. The Cubs would have to offer something along the lines of Zambrano+Jones+pitching prospect for the Yankees to even blink at any Cubs offers.

 

I think you're drastically underestimating how desperately they need help in the starting rotation, the bullpen and the outfield. Fill those needs with a player each (Wood, Aardsma or ahealthy Williamson, Jones) plus Aramis and that's definitely an offer the Yankees would be foolish to not at least think over. They're a competitive team with a real chance to win, as usual. Up until this point, A-Rod has the perception, unfairly, that he's not someone who is going to push them to another WS crown.

 

I understand how bad their rotation is - I live in New York, work with a load of Yankees fans, and have Yankees news thrown at me everywhere I go. I think we need to keep in mind three things though: 1) The Yankees not going to jump at any starter we offer who has had injury problems (like NTC Wood or Prior), 2) There will be other teams looking to unload starting pitching at the trade deadline and 3) As much as Yankees fans believe that A-Rod is not "clutch" or "a winner," they still understand that he's hands-down the best third basemen in the game.

 

If the Yankees make a move for starting pitching during the season they're going to go after durable starting pitchers and won't give up their best offensive player.

[Sammy Sofa]

If Wood can pull out a few more quality starts and keep getting back to being himself, I think he becomes VERY appealing, especially given his playoff success, limited sample size it may be. And I think if sold right as long as he keeps creeping back up to his old levels, Aramis could be very appealing. He's showing he's a guy who will crush if you plug him into a lineup where he's surrounded with big hitters. The Yankees can do that, and then some. Plus he's impressively improved his defense, so it's not like they're dumping 3B in the toilet, or anywhere near it. They need the OF help, and JJ is ultra hot and he'd hammer the short porch in Yankee stadium. They need bullpen relief like nobody's business, so if somebody like a healthy Williamson was offered, or maybe Aardsma, I think they'd look twice. That's addressing a LOT of needs with potentially only a little downgrade at 3B, and maybe in the long run, none at all or even an improvement. I just don't think it's an offer the Yankees would laugh off...they need HUGE help to push further into the playoffs, and here's a bunch of guys that can potentially do that. A-Rod hasn't.

[Careless]

Cubs management thinks their problem is clutch hitting. If the yankees have soured on arod, it's because they think he doesn't hit in the clutch. Really hard to see a way for this to happen.

[CubinNY]

A-Rod appears to have worn out his welcome with the Yankee fans. He is being booed after every bad AB and the papers are having a field day.

 

Yankee fans don't like pretty boys, unless they are Derek Jeter.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

A-Rod appears to have worn out his welcome with the Yankee fans. He is being booed after every bad AB and the papers are having a field day.

 

Yankee fans don't like pretty boys, unless they are Derek Jeter.

 

Funny, I know of a place in Chicago with walls covered in ivy where he would be treated like royalty.

[soccer10k]

A-Rod appears to have worn out his welcome with the Yankee fans. He is being booed after every bad AB and the papers are having a field day.

 

Yankee fans don't like pretty boys, unless they are Derek Jeter.

 

Funny, I know of a place in Chicago with walls covered in ivy where he would be treated like royalty.

 

Until he strikes out a couple times.

[Sammy Sofa]

I have a feeling deep in my bones...this is going to happen by the ASB. The Cubs are gonna deliver Aramis, Jacque, a reliever and Pierre plus cash for A-Rod. Checking out the NYC boards and press and talking to my Yankee fans, A-Rod is being made into a scapegoat of Sammy proportions up there. The time is right, and I think this could be the first serious step in the right direction for this team. Do the trade, shed Wood and Maddux, use the money to also grab C-Lee and a starter.

 

But what about CF and RF the rest of this year? I know Pie isn't lighting it up, but maybe give him some time just to let him have a bit of experience?

 

Make it happen, dammit.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I have a feeling deep in my bones...this is going to happen by the ASB. The Cubs are gonna deliver Aramis, Jacque, a reliever and Pierre plus cash for A-Rod. Checking out the NYC boards and press and talking to my Yankee fans, A-Rod is being made into a scapegoat of Sammy proportions up there. The time is right, and I think this could be the first serious step in the right direction for this team. Do the trade, shed Wood and Maddux, use the money to also grab C-Lee and a starter.

 

But what about CF and RF the rest of this year? I know Pie isn't lighting it up, but maybe give him some time just to let him have a bit of experience?

 

Make it happen, dammit.

Between Pagan, Murton, Nevin, and Bynum (when he returns) the corners are covered.

[soccer10k]

I have a feeling deep in my bones...this is going to happen by the ASB. The Cubs are gonna deliver Aramis, Jacque, a reliever and Pierre plus cash for A-Rod. Checking out the NYC boards and press and talking to my Yankee fans, A-Rod is being made into a scapegoat of Sammy proportions up there. The time is right, and I think this could be the first serious step in the right direction for this team. Do the trade, shed Wood and Maddux, use the money to also grab C-Lee and a starter.

 

But what about CF and RF the rest of this year? I know Pie isn't lighting it up, but maybe give him some time just to let him have a bit of experience?

 

Make it happen, dammit.

Between Pagan, Murton, Nevin, and Bynum (when he returns) the corners are covered.

 

I don't necessarily think the Yankees would want Juan Pierre and Jacque Jones. We might be stuck with Pierre which would only leave right field to be filled. Even if we had to fill center as well, it wouldn't be a problem to do that.

[Electron Blue]

I have a feeling deep in my bones...this is going to happen by the ASB. The Cubs are gonna deliver Aramis, Jacque, a reliever and Pierre plus cash for A-Rod. Checking out the NYC boards and press and talking to my Yankee fans, A-Rod is being made into a scapegoat of Sammy proportions up there. The time is right, and I think this could be the first serious step in the right direction for this team. Do the trade, shed Wood and Maddux, use the money to also grab C-Lee and a starter.

 

But what about CF and RF the rest of this year? I know Pie isn't lighting it up, but maybe give him some time just to let him have a bit of experience?

 

Make it happen, dammit.

Between Pagan, Murton, Nevin, and Bynum (when he returns) the corners are covered.

 

I don't necessarily think the Yankees would want Juan Pierre and Jacque Jones. We might be stuck with Pierre which would only leave right field to be filled. Even if we had to fill center as well, it wouldn't be a problem to do that.

 

I don't really follow the AL, but isn't Matsui more-or-less done for the year? They could use a semi-quality bat to replace him.

[Sammy Sofa]

More than likely, yeah. He might be back in time for the playoffs, but that's a big "might." They need the outfield help, and Jacque could definitely give them a boost with how he's hitting this year. I don't think Pierre would be any kind of centerpiece in a trade for A-Rod, but I'd like to see him gone and if adding him onto the pile seals the deal, hey, give it a shot. Definitely trading up.

[BeerHere]

A-Rod appears to have worn out his welcome with the Yankee fans. He is being booed after every bad AB and the papers are having a field day.

 

Yankee fans don't like pretty boys, unless they are Derek Jeter.

 

Funny, I know of a place in Chicago with walls covered in ivy where he would be treated like royalty.

 

Until he strikes out a couple times.

 

Unfortunately there's entirely too much truth in this statement.

[BeerHere]

Since we're speculating, I wouldn't send Z straight up for ARod unless the Yankees paid a lot of his salary. Prior and Aramis for ARod if the money was unaffected. (IMO Aramis would get eaten alive in NY) I'd move AroD to short, Ronny to second and Nevin to third.

[TB_11]

A-Rod is being made the scapegoat right now because it's easy for Yankees fans - he's a pretty boy who was the richest contract in the majors yet supposedly doesn't hit "in the clutch." Deep down Yankees fans know their problems are the injuries to Sheffield/Matsui and weak starting pitching. Cashman knows that he can solve those problems without sending away one of the best players in the game (who he pays $16M/year).

[Sammy Sofa]

Since we're speculating, I wouldn't send Z straight up for ARod unless the Yankees paid a lot of his salary. Prior and Aramis for ARod if the money was unaffected. (IMO Aramis would get eaten alive in NY) I'd move AroD to short, Ronny to second and Nevin to third.

 

Unless it was some kind of major sticking point to getting him here, I'd keep A-Rod at 3rd and Cedeno at SS and re-sign Walker for 2nd.

[Banedon]

A-Rod appears to have worn out his welcome with the Yankee fans. He is being booed after every bad AB and the papers are having a field day.

 

Yankee fans don't like pretty boys, unless they are Derek Jeter.

 

Funny, I know of a place in Chicago with walls covered in ivy where he would be treated like royalty.

 

Until he strikes out a couple times.

 

Unfortunately there's entirely too much truth in this statement.

 

I don't think so...Nomar was struggling through much of his time as a Cub and was still loved by most Cub fans. I don't think there'd be any problem with A-rod as a Cub. There's too many other problems for us to focus on, that even if he's having a rough time, he's still not a "problem".

[Sammy Sofa]

Very true. A-Rod is A-Rod. He's one of "those players" that's just so damn big their name is going to carry them until they finally quit. Booing him when he strikes out would be like Derrek Lee getting booed for doing the same...or to compare it to a local big hitter having an off-year, Aramis. The fans that (almost always wrongly) boo guys like Jacque aren't going to do the same to A-Rod.