Cuban for Owner and Bob for Manager next year

[rjchapma]

Im just sick of MacPhail not wanting to make this a better team and Dusty I want out Im sick of him as well. Brennley would not be a bad manager. I mean he has won a world series and wasnt a bad manager for the Dbacks. Theyve talked about him possibly taking the job either if Dusty ops out during the year or next year.

[Drew Doughty]

Brenly's pretty bad, he's definitely not the answer at least.

Guys, Brenly isn't a good manager. You think we see the hit-and-run and sac bunt too much now? It'd only get worse.

 

Aren't there ANY Weaver disciples out there?

[Outshined_One]

I'd just be happy to ride out the rest of the season with Speier at the helm and make a judgment from there. If he sucks, oh well, no big loss. If he's pretty good, he might be worth keeping around.

[sunnydoo]

Brenly is awful and Cuban wouldnt be allowed to buy a MLB team.

 

I dont know if he has enough money to front ownership for a large market team like the Cubs anyway.

 

The best proven manager available in the offseason (and god help me for saying this) is Bobby V who is over in Japan right now.

 

We could try a new manager out, but none spring to mind.

"Your most valuable possessions are your twenty-seven outs."

 

Whoever believes it should be hired.

[sunnydoo]

And another thing. MacPhail needs to tell Hendry to go to heck if he decides to hire the coaching staff like he did for Dusty.

 

Let this manager bring in his own guys. I am sick of the Clines, Matthews, and Rothschild contingent.

[A New Era]

I just want to see some changes made. But that means my beloved Cubs will have to tank this season. I'd hate that part of it. But if it means new manager, GM, and a whole bunch of changes made. I'm all for it.

[Pinktermite]

Since when did the sacrifice bunt and the hit and run become something bad? Yeah, when overdone its a bad thing, but if you are a run ahead with your ace on the mound (and assuming the Cubs have a BARISP greater than .125, which they don't), then a sacrifice in the right situation isn't a bad thing. Dusty's use of it is laughable, that much I give you. And remember, Dusty relied on the Earl Weaver three run homer method in the past, and that didn't work either. This team would do better under a better manager, but would still suck because half the team sucks. I can name maybe six or eight players to keep...and ship out the rest.

[Fro]

Brenly is awful and Cuban wouldnt be allowed to buy a MLB team.

 

I dont know if he has enough money to front ownership for a large market team like the Cubs anyway.

 

Cuban's net worth is $1.8 billion, so he could easily buy the whole team or the majority of the team.

 

Value of the Cubs is only about $400 million.

 

And I seriously doubt Cuban would hire Brenly. Whoever the manager is would value Sabrmetrics.

[bobbyd20]

Yes to Cuban. No to Brenly.

 

Bob may be a nice guy, but he's not a good manager. Going back to the '01 World Series (or was it '02), he had Johnson on the mound in game six up like 12-0 or something against the Yankees. After about the fifth inning, everyone in the country was screaming at him to take Johnson out so that he could be available in relief the next day (or a couple days later...can't quite remember the exact circumstances). Brenly was the only person (besides Yankee fans) that thought it was a good idea to keep Johnson in for 7 innings in a blowout. It worked out for the Diamondbacks, but it wasn't the right move.

 

I think that over time, Brenly would prove to be as shaky as Dusty. It's too bad Hendry didn't get rid of Dusty last year and go out and get Joe Girardi. Who knows? Maybe Damon Berryhill is available.

[USSoccer]

Since when did the sacrifice bunt and the hit and run become something bad? Yeah, when overdone its a bad thing, but if you are a run ahead with your ace on the mound (and assuming the Cubs have a BARISP greater than .125, which they don't), then a sacrifice in the right situation isn't a bad thing. Dusty's use of it is laughable, that much I give you. And remember, Dusty relied on the Earl Weaver three run homer method in the past, and that didn't work either. This team would do better under a better manager, but would still suck because half the team sucks. I can name maybe six or eight players to keep...and ship out the rest.

 

"Your 27 outs are your most valuable possesions"

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Count me in for Cuban and Bobby V, that I would like.

[JWCUB]

Cuban all the way. He can act like a jerk sometimes, but there is no doubt about his desire to win. Not to mention, he would do what it takes to win for the fans, and not worry about the shareholders and profit margins.....I.E. The Tribune. The profit would get thrown right back into the team.

[Sammy Sofa]

There needs to be a "solo" owner like Steinbrenner or Cuban...I can't see anything else significantly shaking up this organization they way it needs to be. Owners like those two realize it's their name and face up there alongside the team if it wins or loses...they take it personal. Being run by nameless, faceless beancounters doesn't work...we're seeing it right now.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The best manager available is Davey Johnson. I don't know whether Cuban would hire him...but I'd love to see this team managed by Davey.

[srbin84]

I think we need to get the best manager for the players and situation we have. I think we defnitely need a jerk for a manager...no apologists or nice guys. Also, obviously he needs to be good at in game strategy, pitcher use, etc. I think it is a must that he is not a nice guy though because these players will walk all over him and do whatever they want.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We need the best manager, period. Get the best manager and best players available. Trying to match manager to players is a bad combination as player personell can change from year to year.

[srbin84]

We need the best manager, period. Get the best manager and best players available. Trying to match manager to players is a bad combination as player personell can change from year to year.

 

You are right, but I don't see the Cubs changing much at all with Hendry in power the next two years. Maybe a new bench, a new SP and a new starting position player max. each offseason.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We need the best manager, period. Get the best manager and best players available. Trying to match manager to players is a bad combination as player personell can change from year to year.

 

You are right, but I don't see the Cubs changing much at all with Hendry in power the next two years. Maybe a new bench, a new SP and a new starting position player max. each offseason.

 

I think there will be lots of changes.

 

For example--

CF- Pierre: contract expires at end of season; likely gone.

2b Walker & Hairston: contracts expire at end of season

 

SP: Maddux: contract expires; 50% likely to be gone.

SP: Wood: Option too expensive: 50% likely to be gone.

 

Bench

Mabry & Blanco: Contracts expire at end of year; likely to be gone.

 

There's also the chance for trades and new signings. While the core of the team is likely back, there will be changes. How many depends on what we trade off this year.

 

Davey Johnson would be a good fit for this team.

 

If not Davey, Fredi Gonzalez would be my second choice. (Look for Fredi to be give lots of consideration in Washington with Stan Katsen calling the shots.) Larry Dierker wouldn't be a bad option either.

[srbin84]

We need the best manager, period. Get the best manager and best players available. Trying to match manager to players is a bad combination as player personell can change from year to year.

 

You are right, but I don't see the Cubs changing much at all with Hendry in power the next two years. Maybe a new bench, a new SP and a new starting position player max. each offseason.

 

I think there will be lots of changes.

 

For example--

CF- Pierre: contract expires at end of season; likely gone.

2b Walker & Hairston: contracts expire at end of season

 

SP: Maddux: contract expires; 50% likely to be gone.

SP: Wood: Option too expensive: 50% likely to be gone.

 

Bench

Mabry & Blanco: Contracts expire at end of year; likely to be gone.

 

There's also the chance for trades and new signings. While the core of the team is likely back, there will be changes. How many depends on what we trade off this year.

 

Davey Johnson would be a good fit for this team.

 

If not Davey, Fredi Gonzalez would be my second choice. (Look for Fredi to be give lots of consideration in Washington with Stan Katsen calling the shots.) Larry Dierker wouldn't be a bad option either.

 

I like those managers. I'm just kind of torn between getting the best manager and the best manager who yells at the players and makes life hell for them when they don't perform. That sounds crazy, but let me explain. I really don't see this team having any shot at the playoffs this year, 07 or 08. The free agent class sucks this offseason, as do our GM and minor league system. Even if Hendry wanted to make trades to improve the team, he doesn't really have much to deal. So if we are def. going to suck, I'd rather see the players suffer as much as possible. It's vindictive, but it would make me a feel a tiny bit better than the country club atmosphere they have now with Dusty. Also, I wouldn't want good managers to avoid us post-Hendry out of fear their careers will die here.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

I like those managers. I'm just kind of torn between getting the best manager and the best manager who yells at the players and makes life hell for them when they don't perform. That sounds crazy, but let me explain. I really don't see this team having any shot at the playoffs this year, 07 or 08. The free agent class sucks this offseason, as do our GM and minor league system. Even if Hendry wanted to make trades to improve the team, he doesn't really have much to deal. So if we are def. going to suck, I'd rather see the players suffer as much as possible. It's vindictive, but it would make me a feel a tiny bit better than the country club atmosphere they have now with Dusty. Also, I wouldn't want good managers to avoid us post-Hendry out of fear their careers will die here.

 

Wow...I don't know where to begin or even if I should. Choosing a manager because he'll yell and make life miserable on the players is about the most assinine idea I've ever heard. There's really nothing more that can be said about that.

 

Furthermore, with the right moves, the Cubs could contend in 2007 and 2008. The minor league system is not crap. There are a few players there that could contribute. If Hendry wants to deal, there are players with value in the system.

 

Also, if a fire sale is conducted correctly, Maddux, Williamson, Walker, Hairston, Pierre and others could bring prospects that could be dealt next offseason to get help.

 

The Cubs will have the money to address needs this offseason as well. While the picture isn't rosy, a contender could be built for next season. We need to get the best personell available...not someone who just yells.

[srbin84]

 

I like those managers. I'm just kind of torn between getting the best manager and the best manager who yells at the players and makes life hell for them when they don't perform. That sounds crazy, but let me explain. I really don't see this team having any shot at the playoffs this year, 07 or 08. The free agent class sucks this offseason, as do our GM and minor league system. Even if Hendry wanted to make trades to improve the team, he doesn't really have much to deal. So if we are def. going to suck, I'd rather see the players suffer as much as possible. It's vindictive, but it would make me a feel a tiny bit better than the country club atmosphere they have now with Dusty. Also, I wouldn't want good managers to avoid us post-Hendry out of fear their careers will die here.

 

Wow...I don't know where to begin or even if I should. Choosing a manager because he'll yell and make life miserable on the players is about the most assinine idea I've ever heard. There's really nothing more that can be said about that.

 

Furthermore, with the right moves, the Cubs could contend in 2007 and 2008. The minor league system is not crap. There are a few players there that could contribute. If Hendry wants to deal, there are players with value in the system.

 

Also, if a fire sale is conducted correctly, Maddux, Williamson, Walker, Hairston, Pierre and others could bring prospects that could be dealt next offseason to get help.

 

The Cubs will have the money to address needs this offseason as well. While the picture isn't rosy, a contender could be built for next season. We need to get the best personell available...not someone who just yells.

 

You can't look at things rationally with the Cubs. You would have to have a fire sale to get the players needed to turn this team around. Do you really see Hendry doing that? I think the more likely scenerio, based on his history, is that he will trade a couple of the few valuable prospects we have for a player to help the current team. I'd really be surprised if this team makes the playoffs again with Hendry in charge. If he all of the sudden realizes he's put together a bad, unreliable team, we have a chance at competing. I just don't see it happening. If Baylor, Baker and Johnson all have terrible careers here, are good managers going to still come to the Cubs unless we overpay for them? Same with free agents. When was the last time the Cubs signed a top free agent in his prime?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

I like those managers. I'm just kind of torn between getting the best manager and the best manager who yells at the players and makes life hell for them when they don't perform. That sounds crazy, but let me explain. I really don't see this team having any shot at the playoffs this year, 07 or 08. The free agent class sucks this offseason, as do our GM and minor league system. Even if Hendry wanted to make trades to improve the team, he doesn't really have much to deal. So if we are def. going to suck, I'd rather see the players suffer as much as possible. It's vindictive, but it would make me a feel a tiny bit better than the country club atmosphere they have now with Dusty. Also, I wouldn't want good managers to avoid us post-Hendry out of fear their careers will die here.

 

Wow...I don't know where to begin or even if I should. Choosing a manager because he'll yell and make life miserable on the players is about the most assinine idea I've ever heard. There's really nothing more that can be said about that.

 

Furthermore, with the right moves, the Cubs could contend in 2007 and 2008. The minor league system is not crap. There are a few players there that could contribute. If Hendry wants to deal, there are players with value in the system.

 

Also, if a fire sale is conducted correctly, Maddux, Williamson, Walker, Hairston, Pierre and others could bring prospects that could be dealt next offseason to get help.

 

The Cubs will have the money to address needs this offseason as well. While the picture isn't rosy, a contender could be built for next season. We need to get the best personell available...not someone who just yells.

 

You can't look at things rationally with the Cubs. You would have to have a fire sale to get the players needed to turn this team around. Do you really see Hendry doing that? I think the more likely scenerio, based on his history, is that he will trade a couple of the few valuable prospects we have for a player to help the current team. I'd really be surprised if this team makes the playoffs again with Hendry in charge. If he all of the sudden realizes he's put together a bad, unreliable team, we have a chance at competing. I just don't see it happening. If Baylor, Baker and Johnson all have terrible careers here, are good managers going to still come to the Cubs unless we overpay for them? Same with free agents. When was the last time the Cubs signed a top free agent in his prime?

 

I guess that's where you and I differ. I prefer to be rational. If you choose to be irrational with wild opinions, I guess that's your right. Those ideas would not make this a better team nor a better organization.

[srbin84]

Well, the Cubs think irrationally. If you go around hoping for them to get the best manager, good OBP players, healthy starting pitching, etc; you're just setting yourself up for disappointment IMO. After Hendry is gone, we can start thinking we have a realistic shot at winning again, but until then, you have to look for very small victories as a fan.