5/12 Cubs (Guzman) vs. Padres (Williams) 1:20 CSN

[Guest]

Face guys no matter what Dusty does will be wrong. This offense is terrible.

 

No, sac bunting is wrong. Batting Neifi in the 2 hole is wrong. Letting Murton swing away is not wrong. It might not always work, because that's baseball. And a sac bunt might occasionally work, because that's baseball. But the odds are against you and it's absolutely foolish to keep sac bunting the way Dusty does.

 

just curious. what is the percentage breakdown? how much of a better chance of a run is there, if you don't bunt?

 

There's a great link for this that was posted in one of the game threads the other day....I hope someone has it...cuz I'm too lazy to find it. :P

http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902score.html

[CubfaninCA]

Face guys no matter what Dusty does will be wrong. This offense is terrible.

 

No, sac bunting is wrong. Batting Neifi in the 2 hole is wrong. Letting Murton swing away is not wrong. It might not always work, because that's baseball. And a sac bunt might occasionally work, because that's baseball. But the odds are against you and it's absolutely foolish to keep sac bunting the way Dusty does.

 

just curious. what is the percentage breakdown? how much of a better chance of a run is there, if you don't bunt?

 

There's a great link for this that was posted in one of the game threads the other day....I hope someone has it...cuz I'm too lazy to find it. :P

 

i remember someone posting it.

 

Unfortunately, baker makes a sweeping generalization that sacrificing a runner over is good at all times. I think the same sweeping genearlization holds for those adamantly opposed to the bunt tho.

 

Jmo but it's highly dependent on the situation.

[badger1679666666]

I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps. But the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time they’re clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.

 

Quite possibly the dumbest thing ever said by a major league manager.

 

How can a guy get away with saying this and not get ripped a new hole for saying something this idiotic?

[BeerHere]

Rusch sukks

[SCCubbieFAN]

Santo just read an email I sent on behalf of NSBB. They are supposed to follow up on it after the break.

 

What'd it say?

 

I talked about the Cubs not being patient at the plate and it being an organizational philosophy to be aggressive and not place value on guys with high OBP

[LoneStarCubFan]

Cedeno had the ball, lobbed it over to the umpire thinking time had been called and it hadn't. The ball rolled over to the Cub dugout and the runners moved up to second and third.

 

Dumbest. Team. In. Baseball.

Edited May 12, 2006 by LoneStarCubFan

[goonys evil twin]

a rare fun fact by jjgman21

 

despite being second from last in the league in OBP, only one one thousandths of a point ahead of Pitt, the Cubs have managed to ground into more double plays than any other team in the NL besides San Fran.

 

 

edit...that wasn't so fun, now was it.

 

And Santo was asking for more groundballs.

[BeerHere]

Not a good time for an error Ronny

[Fred Hornkohl]

Barfield popped out (foul) to first base, runners holding

[C.C.]

Dude it was a joke, but the point being there is no right answer for this offense. We have to lead the league in Sac. bunts and double plays so what is right and what is wrong. If you have a bad offensive team no matter what you do at the end of the day it's still a bad team...

 

But sac bunting is not right. Not sac bunting is the right answer. Not foolishly reducing your chances is the right answer. Not giving up outs is the right answer. The right answer is to not repeatedly make the same mistakes.

 

We lead the league in DP's! You have to do something to scrape some runs over.

[YearofDaCubs]

I dont know how much more of this I can take. The season so far has been nothing short of abysmal.

[badger1679666666]

Santo just read an email I sent on behalf of NSBB. They are supposed to follow up on it after the break.

 

What did it say?

[goonys evil twin]

Santo just read an email I sent on behalf of NSBB. They are supposed to follow up on it after the break.

 

What'd it say?

 

I talked about the Cubs not being patient at the plate and it being an organizational philosophy to be aggressive and not place value on guys with high OBP

 

And Santo's answer was confusing as heck. He addressed the issue, more or less, pretty well, but then he started rambling and confused the issue.

 

Basically, he wants guys to be more patient but more aggressive.

[badger1679666666]

Santo just read an email I sent on behalf of NSBB. They are supposed to follow up on it after the break.

 

What'd it say?

 

I talked about the Cubs not being patient at the plate and it being an organizational philosophy to be aggressive and not place value on guys with high OBP

 

You should have asked him to analyze that Dusty quote.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Young, pinch hitting for Sweeney, walked

[TruffleShuffle]

Dude it was a joke, but the point being there is no right answer for this offense. We have to lead the league in Sac. bunts and double plays so what is right and what is wrong. If you have a bad offensive team no matter what you do at the end of the day it's still a bad team...

 

But sac bunting is not right. Not sac bunting is the right answer. Not foolishly reducing your chances is the right answer. Not giving up outs is the right answer. The right answer is to not repeatedly make the same mistakes.

 

We lead the league in DP's! You have to do something to scrape some runs over.

 

To be honest, it really doesn't matter. This offense is just a massive steaming turd. Whether you sac bunt or swing away, they're not going be anything better than lousy.

[goonys evil twin]

 

We lead the league in DP's! You have to do something to scrape some runs over.

 

Okay, fine. Reduce your chances to score, that is a brilliant way to scrape runs over.

 

Especially when runs, plural, is what is needed.

[SCCubbieFAN]

Santo just read an email I sent on behalf of NSBB. They are supposed to follow up on it after the break.

 

What did it say?

 

Cubs have organizational philosophy about not being patient at the plate, and not placing value on guys w/high OBP

[UMFan83]

Did Ron just use his aggrivated "GEEZ" after Rusch induced a foul out holding the runners?

[cheapseats]

Face guys no matter what Dusty does will be wrong. This offense is terrible.

 

No, sac bunting is wrong. Batting Neifi in the 2 hole is wrong. Letting Murton swing away is not wrong. It might not always work, because that's baseball. And a sac bunt might occasionally work, because that's baseball. But the odds are against you and it's absolutely foolish to keep sac bunting the way Dusty does.

 

just curious. what is the percentage breakdown? how much of a better chance of a run is there, if you don't bunt?

 

There's a great link for this that was posted in one of the game threads the other day....I hope someone has it...cuz I'm too lazy to find it. :P

 

i remember someone posting it.

 

Unfortunately, baker makes a sweeping generalization that sacrificing a runner over is good at all times. I think the same sweeping genearlization holds for those adamantly opposed to the bunt tho.

 

Jmo but it's highly dependent on the situation.

 

There is one situation in which bunting is almost always the best option: when there's a runner on 2nd with no outs and you need to score just one run.

 

There's a 3-part study on BP by James Click that's worth reading.

 

If you don't have a BP subscription, this free article at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette applies the Click research to the Pirates:

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04146/321576.stm

[C.C.]

God this team SUCKS! In every way! I mean we are basically the KC Royal or the Marlins with a 95 million dollar payroll...

[TruffleShuffle]

I dont know how much more of this I can take. The season so far has been nothing short of abysmal.

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that I predicted in the season predictions contest that the Cubs would win 74 games this year. I'm sittin' pretty.

[Chocolate Milk]

Hahaha, Santo is furious.

[JonnyRed]

I absolutely, positively, truly hate this team right now. They all stink.

[goonys evil twin]

Neifi with a rookie mistake, but he brings so much more to the table.