Mabry 5th and Murton 8th?

[bobbyd20]

Why? Jim Hendry please make it stop.

 

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

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[UMFan83]

Dude, Mabry is a big guy. Big guys always hit 5th, thats how its always been.

[XZero771679666304]

Dude, Mabry is a big guy. Big guys always hit 5th, thats how its always been.

 

Dusty has to teach Murton how to hit some more before he can bat ahead of proven dudes like Mabry.

[RegulusBlue]

Its common baseball sense to put your highest OBP guy at the eight spot. That way the pitcher and leadoff man can hit them in...

[Mark Priors Calves]

First basemen have to bat in the 3,4,5 spots.

[dalgreen]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

[mul21]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

 

That's not the point. It may not have made a difference today, but on an everyday basis, it will cost you a ton of runs because you have the pitcher and not an RBI guy hitting behind your highest OBP guy. It's the kind of dumb thing that Dusty seems to do on a regular basis with no rhyme or reason that makes most of us insane.

[CubinNY]

Its common baseball sense to put your highest OBP guy at the eight spot. That way the pitcher and leadoff man can hit them in...

 

I know. It's real, real, bad baseball strategy. I cannot believe even Dusty would do that. It's almost like he is trying to get fired. I just don't get it.

 

EDIT: You are being sarcastic, aren't you?

[dalgreen]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

 

That's not the point. It may not have made a difference today, but on an everyday basis, it will cost you a ton of runs because you have the pitcher and not an RBI guy hitting behind your highest OBP guy. It's the kind of dumb thing that Dusty seems to do on a regular basis with no rhyme or reason that makes most of us insane.

 

I didn't realize .326 was a good OBP on a regular basis.

[CubinNY]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

 

That's not the point. It may not have made a difference today, but on an everyday basis, it will cost you a ton of runs because you have the pitcher and not an RBI guy hitting behind your highest OBP guy. It's the kind of dumb thing that Dusty seems to do on a regular basis with no rhyme or reason that makes most of us insane.

 

I didn't realize .326 was a good OBP on a regular basis.

 

On this team it is. But really, Murton is perhaps the most patient hitter on the team. I don't think putting him one spot ahead of the pitcher is a good idea.

[CubfaninCA]

murton's not tearing up righties, but he should be batting ahead of mabry.

[XZero771679666304]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

 

That's not the point. It may not have made a difference today, but on an everyday basis, it will cost you a ton of runs because you have the pitcher and not an RBI guy hitting behind your highest OBP guy. It's the kind of dumb thing that Dusty seems to do on a regular basis with no rhyme or reason that makes most of us insane.

 

I didn't realize .326 was a good OBP on a regular basis.

 

Okay, so what is Mabry's OBP this year? Or Jones'? Or Ramirez's? Or Cedeno's? Or Pierre's? Are any of them .326 or higher?

 

No matter how you dissect it, it was stupid.

[dalgreen]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

 

That's not the point. It may not have made a difference today, but on an everyday basis, it will cost you a ton of runs because you have the pitcher and not an RBI guy hitting behind your highest OBP guy. It's the kind of dumb thing that Dusty seems to do on a regular basis with no rhyme or reason that makes most of us insane.

 

I didn't realize .326 was a good OBP on a regular basis.

 

On this team it is. But really, Murton is perhaps the most patient hitter on the team. I don't think putting him one spot ahead of the pitcher is a good idea.

 

He must not be too patient against righties with that kind of OBP. Anyway, I don't have a bias for those players under 26 years old. A .326 OBP sucks whether you're 24 or 34. This team is pathetic. And we're 1-9 in our last ten not because of batting orders, but because this team is just plain bad.

[XZero771679666304]

 

He must not be too patient against righties with that kind of OBP. Anyway, I don't have a bias for those players under 26 years old. A .326 OBP sucks whether you're 24 or 34. This team is pathetic. And we're 1-9 in our last ten not because of batting orders, but because this team is just plain bad.

 

The personnel isn't good, that's for sure. But Dusty consitently takes what he is given, and make the absolute least of it. .326 isn't good, but it's better than what was batting ahead of him. Pointing the finger at Hendry doesn't excuse what Dusty does on a daily basis. This team is bad, but it's Dusty that makes it terrible.

[Sammy Sofa]

I like Murton, but honestly, I think his best role right now would be platooning with Jones. It would be easier to pick up another decent or big and plug them into LF, if that's even possible without literally selling the farm...and I don't think it is...and I hope it doesn't happen.

 

I know nuthin'!

[CubfaninCA]

going strictly by the numbers versus righties, murton should bat 7th.

 

cedeno's ops versus righties coming into today was .966. pierre's obp was .330 v. righties and walker's ops was .856. aram's was at .723, but he has a track record of success. jones ops was .971. barrett was .865. murton's ops was .655.

[Monco]

I remember years ago when the Yankees were in a big slump.Billy Martin made the batting order by pulling names out of a hat. It worked too.An 8 game losing streak. So he shook up the lineup some.

[BigSlick]

Ok, voice of reason guys:

 

Not including today's game, Murton's OBP is .369

 

Far better than .326 or whatever people were saying earlier in this thread.

 

Yes it was idiotic to bat him 8th, its disconcerting to us, and surely can only be disheartening for him. Players usually lose confidence when bumped down in the lineup, and this certainly cannot help the team.

 

BTW, when are we gonna DFA Mabry, jesus christ he's an embarrassment of a player. He looks like a little-leaguer in the batters box.

 

EDIT: Oops, wasn't reading clear enough, it was average vs. righties my bad.

 

EDIT2: BTW, when has Dusty ever cared about the splits? Jock jones bats a cool sub-.100 against lefties, and he stubbornly continues to trot him out there to embarrass himself....so why would he even care what Murton's OBP against righties is?

 

I don't even know if Dusty knows what On Base Percentage means.

[CubfaninCA]

Ok, voice of reason guys:

 

Not including today's game, Murton's OBP is .369

 

Far better than .326 or whatever people were saying earlier in this thread.

 

Yes it was idiotic to bat him 8th, its disconcerting to us, and surely can only be disheartening for him. Players usually lose confidence when bumped down in the lineup, and this certainly cannot help the team.

 

BTW, when are we gonna DFA Mabry, jesus christ he's an embarrassment of a player. He looks like a little-leaguer in the batters box.

 

EDIT: Oops, wasn't reading clear enough, it was average vs. righties my bad.

 

EDIT2: BTW, when has Dusty ever cared about the splits? Jock jones bats a cool sub-.100 against lefties, and he stubbornly continues to trot him out there to embarrass himself....so why would he even care what Murton's OBP against righties is?

 

I don't even know if Dusty knows what On Base Percentage means.

 

baker knows hrs, ba and rbis.

[cubfan1955]

Didn't I read in another thread that Murton's OBP vs. righties is .326? Plus, we lost 9-3. I don't think adding Murton at the top of the order with Cedeno's .326 OBP would account for 10 runs.

And Mabry's OBP is .237 against righties.

[NorthsideAvenger]

What is it with Baker and former Twins? Kept putting Hawkins into a save situation, even tho everybody and their mama's knew Hawkins was about as comfortable as closer, as I am in a speedo. (SORRY for the image, just trying to put a comparable scenerio) Same with Jones with left-handed pitchers. How many times does Dusty Baker have to be slapped upside the head, before he gets "it?"

[neely crenshaw]

ok , this was an awful move! as is playong jones depsite his split!

here's another way to look at it...what gm not in pittsburgh or kansas city has put together ateam where you have a choice of hitting mabry,murton,jones or barrett 5th?

if these are your options...you are a very bad team

[bobbyd20]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering Dusty was the guy that hit Burnitz between D. Lee and Aramis for a good two months last season just to be able to go right-lefty-righty-lefty. Interesting that he only did this last year against right-handed pitchers. Against lefties he would stack his three left-handed hitters in the 6,7 and 8 spots.

 

Dusty reminds me a little of an old coach I had. He would see some strategy play out on Baseball Tonight one day and come to the park the next day bound and determined to find a way to use that strategy to show everyone how smart he was. Of course, my old coach (just like Dusty) usually didn't know the proper situation to apply the strategy and it would blow up in his face.

[neely crenshaw]

good analogy!

kind of like bunting...everyone complained that we didn't play small ball so dusty turns up the bunting...except no one told him that you don't bunt the 7 hole guy so neifi and the pitcher can try to knock in a run....