We need a bat BAD

[JWCUB]

At this point I would say that we have to hold onto Marshall. I'm no scout by any means, but I see higher potential in Marshall, than Hill. I could be wrong. I hope Hendry has gotten off the love train with Hill and got on the Marshall Express. Do you think Harvey, Hill and Pie would get Abreu or Cabrera?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I think Cabrera and Abreu could be had right now for GOOD packages.

 

Would the Marlins go for Pie, Williams, and Ryu? Doubt it, but its worth a try.

 

Would the Phillies do it? I think they could consider it. Maybe we would need to replace one of the pitchers with Hill/Guz.

 

I was with some Philly fans this weekend and man, have they given up on that team. They are truly sick of it, and want to blow the whole thing up. And I think ownership is sensitive to the lack of interest in the team now.

 

I think Burrell or Abreu could be had.

 

Why is this the case? They are only 6 games back, and it is early. They seem like they could just as soon be buyers as they can be sellers. As they stand, they aren't a real playoff threat, but they have a solid lineup. They seem too close to just tear the team apart.

 

But, if it can benefit the Cubs, I can handle their mentality.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Do you think Harvey, Hill and Pie would get Abreu or Cabrera?

 

Not Cabrera. Maybe Abreu, but it depends on how Hill performs at the major league level.

 

It's going to take one hellova package to get Cabrera. The Marlins might deal him, but they aren't in any hurry to do so.

[SeldomSeen]

Perhaps this goes without saying, but I'd much rather deal Hill than Marshall. Marshall also has a great breaking ball, but he knows how to throw strikes. I'd love to see Hill throw well for two weeks and then sent in a deal when Wood returns.

[CubfaninCA]

going to have to wait until july. unfortunately, right fielders don't grow on trees, and hopefully pierre and aram can return to career norms.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I cant see throwing the farm at a team to get a player that we dont believe will get us to the WS this year. Hendry did it to get Nomar and Murton to a degree. That team was more potent than this one is, and I like the possabilities of this offense. A little more versital than all or nothing.

 

To throw the farm away now at the expense of the future is silly. Now if you are in a minority on the board and think that we have a shot at the playoffs that is a different matter. Which is it fellows?

[Houston_Cub_Fan]

"Perhaps this goes without saying, but I'd much rather deal Hill than Marshall. Marshall also has a great breaking ball, but he knows how to throw strikes."

 

 

Not that it has translated to the majors yet, but Hills K numbers in the minors suggest that he does know how to throw strikes. That said, someone has to go in a trade (if there is one) and with what Marshall has been able to accomplish to date, it would be hard to let go of him.

[jtownie]

"Perhaps this goes without saying, but I'd much rather deal Hill than Marshall. Marshall also has a great breaking ball, but he knows how to throw strikes."

 

 

Not that it has translated to the majors yet, but Hills K numbers in the minors suggest that he does know how to throw strikes. That said, someone has to go in a trade (if there is one) and with what Marshall has been able to accomplish to date, it would be hard to let go of him.

 

I am fine dealing Marshall if it's for some real help. We can't afford to send him in a deal for a Clement/Alfonseca type deal.

[SeldomSeen]

"Perhaps this goes without saying, but I'd much rather deal Hill than Marshall. Marshall also has a great breaking ball, but he knows how to throw strikes."

 

 

Not that it has translated to the majors yet, but Hills K numbers in the minors suggest that he does know how to throw strikes. That said, someone has to go in a trade (if there is one) and with what Marshall has been able to accomplish to date, it would be hard to let go of him.

 

Oh, I'm not doubting Hill's stuff, but he's had a real tough time locating anything other than that curve. A look at their respective WHIP and walks/9 really bears this out. Hill's minor league BB/9 is 4.8. Marshall's is nearly half that at 2.5.

 

Add to this that Marshall is younger and shown success at the Major League level, I believe he is the one to hang on to, if given the choice.

[Backtobanks]

"Perhaps this goes without saying, but I'd much rather deal Hill than Marshall. Marshall also has a great breaking ball, but he knows how to throw strikes."

 

 

Not that it has translated to the majors yet, but Hills K numbers in the minors suggest that he does know how to throw strikes. That said, someone has to go in a trade (if there is one) and with what Marshall has been able to accomplish to date, it would be hard to let go of him.

 

Oh, I'm not doubting Hill's stuff, but he's had a real tough time locating anything other than that curve. A look at their respective WHIP and walks/9 really bears this out. Hill's minor league BB/9 is 4.8. Marshall's is nearly half that at 2.5.

 

Add to this that Marshall is younger and shown success at the Major League level, I believe he is the one to hang on to, if given the choice.

 

I post the same message everytime I see Hill's name mentioned: I have yet to see anything that makes him "untouchable" in trade talks. He shows some potential, but I don't think he's the second coming of Sandy Koufax.

[Rob]

At this point I would say that we have to hold onto Marshall. I'm no scout by any means, but I see higher potential in Marshall, than Hill.

 

I don't quite agree with you on that point.

 

Marshall has plenty of potential, that's for sure... but Hill is just oozing with it. Unfortunately for Hill, it's all unrealized at the moment... but if he reaches the top of his game, I don't see any way that Marshall isn't left in the dust.

 

At the same time, Marshall has a much better chance of reaching his ceiling than Hill does, even though it is lower.

 

I see Marshall as having a 50% chance of being a "good" major league pitcher.

 

Hill has a 5% chance to be an ace and a 95% bust rate.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

At this point I would say that we have to hold onto Marshall. I'm no scout by any means, but I see higher potential in Marshall, than Hill.

 

I don't quite agree with you on that point.

 

Marshall has plenty of potential, that's for sure... but Hill is just oozing with it. Unfortunately for Hill, it's all unrealized at the moment... but if he reaches the top of his game, I don't see any way that Marshall isn't left in the dust.

 

At the same time, Marshall has a much better chance of reaching his ceiling than Hill does, even though it is lower.

 

I see Marshall as having a 50% chance of being a "good" major league pitcher.

 

Hill has a 5% chance to be an ace and a 95% bust rate.

 

He had better realize it pretty quickly. He's on the wrong side of his 20's.

[CoolHandLuke]

Giles' .431 obp would look pretty nice in RF right about now.

[ltb]

I see Marshall as having a 50% chance of being a "good" major league pitcher.

 

Hill has a 5% chance to be an ace and a 95% bust rate.

 

umm, where are these evaluations coming from? i'm going to have a really hard time trusting anything you say about hill if, apparently, the only two potential outcomes of his career are ace and complete bust.

[larhur]

When two of our three starting pitchers return next month we will have two many starting pitchers to go around so that is the trade bait to get Abreau from the phillies. Keep maddox, Prior, Wood, Miller, Marshall,Z. Trade Rich Hill, Guzman, Williams, Jones because I don't like him, and Pie. It allows the phillies to get a shot of young pitchers. I don't know if they would do that but I just don't want old right handed hitters, like Conineetc.

[Rob]

I see Marshall as having a 50% chance of being a "good" major league pitcher.

 

Hill has a 5% chance to be an ace and a 95% bust rate.

 

umm, where are these evaluations coming from? i'm going to have a really hard time trusting anything you say about hill if, apparently, the only two potential outcomes of his career are ace and complete bust.

 

The evaluations come from what I've seen from them personally and what the numbers bear out. I don't think you could find more than a handful of people on these boards that truly believe Hill would be anything less than magnificent if he finally gets some control of his pitches, which it looks like he's getting closer to doing.

 

At the same time, I just don't think Marshall will end up being quite that good. His middling strikeout rates don't bode well for an overpowering presence. He's going to rely a lot on his defense because of that. That's not to say he can't be a very effective pitcher, by any means, I just don't think we'll be mentioning him in the same sentence as somebody such as the Big Unit, unless we're talking physical appearance alone.

 

At the same time, I do realize there's a very good chance that Hill wont even approach his ceiling. So perhaps I exaggerated a bit to say that he's got a 95% bust rate, and no chance for a career in between. I simply used that to illustrate a point, and I think you probably had a pretty good idea of that before you called me out on it.

 

But let me just say how happy I am that which pitcher is going to be better is the argument, and that we're using these two pitchers. I don't know what I'd do if I were a Cardinals fan, with a grand total of 2 decent pitching prospects.

[larhur]

You are probably anout hill, but you have to give to get, and we need a big bat like abreau