Delmon Young's in Big Trouble...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excessive, IMO

[erik316wttn]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

[Flames24Rulz]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

yeah I'd have to agree. The punishment seems fair to me.

[texascub]

In his investigation, Mobley said he could not determine, with absolute certainty, that Young had intended to hit the umpire when he threw the bat.

 

"If I had, I would have suspended him for the entire season," Mobley told Olney. "He explained to me that it was his intent to throw his bat and throw his helmet back toward to the plate to show his disgust with the call, as we've seen in other situations, and there was a miscalculation.

Absolute certainty? Perhaps not. But I'd say it was pretty close considering that the bat was around head level and still on its way up. He threw that with a heck of a lot more force than is requireed to flip it near the plate. That's a pretty big miscalculation.

 

Either way, I'm fine with the penalty. 50 games (and $175,000) and 50 hours of community service is still a lot.

 

The article actually said that he will lose $145,000 but he can donate the other $30,000 to me if he'd like.

[NCCubFan]

At one time the Devil Rays' organization said they plan to penalize Young beyond what the IL does. It will be interesting to see if that happens. I assume the games he's missed while on indefinite suspension count toward the 50 games.

[Balsa]

Not that anyone cares about my opinion, but I think that's rather fair. Wouldn't have been surprised to see up to 80 though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

[Mark_R]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

[Jehrico]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

50 games is about right. Letting a player off easily for "accidentally" hitting an ump with a bat sets a bad precedent which would threaten to undermine the game.

 

What previous decisions are you referring to? I've never heard of anyone flinging a bat and hitting an umpire before. Much less right after getting tossed...I don't see any comparable precedence to which you refer.

[Jehrico]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Kicking someone is not nearly as bad as throwing a bat at them.

 

Attacking a player doesn't undermine the integrity of the game like intimidating, threatening, or attacking the officials does. They're not similar incidents in the least.

[Mark_R]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Completely different situation. If Alcantra kicks the umpire in the face, suspension is probably near what Delmon got. You can't compare the two.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Completely different situation. If Alcantra kicks the umpire in the face, suspension is probably near what Delmon got. You can't compare the two.

 

So the difference between the umpire and the catcher is a 900% difference in suspension?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Kicking someone is not nearly as bad as throwing a bat at them.

 

Attacking a player doesn't undermine the integrity of the game like intimidating, threatening, or attacking the officials does. They're not similar incidents in the least.

 

There's no way you can argue that the bat throw was more dangerous or more insidious than what Alcantra did. If the situations were reversed in when they happened and who perpetrated them, people would be calling for the kicker's head too.

 

Undermine the integrity of the game? I knew I should've stayed out of this thread.

[SouthSideRyan]

I thought Alcantar kicked him in the stomach, not the face.

[Mark_R]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Completely different situation. If Alcantra kicks the umpire in the face, suspension is probably near what Delmon got. You can't compare the two.

 

So the difference between the umpire and the catcher is a 900% difference in suspension?

 

And a weapon thrown in.

[Mark_R]

I thought Alcantar kicked him in the stomach, not the face.

 

It looks like it was in the chest or just slightly above. Had he kicked him in the face, it would have gotten him in the mask.

[Jehrico]

Excessive, IMO

 

I don't believe so. I think it sends a message to him and anyone else that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated.

 

Compared to what? Does he think it will be tolerated if he only serves 25 games? It's way out of line with MiLB's previous decisions in these situations.

 

To what are you comparing it to? When was an official attacked with a weapon? I know if I do that at the local softball game, my ass is fired from my job, and charges are brought against me for battery. Delmon got off easy.

 

When Alcantra kicked the catcher in the face. 6 games.

 

Kicking someone is not nearly as bad as throwing a bat at them.

 

Attacking a player doesn't undermine the integrity of the game like intimidating, threatening, or attacking the officials does. They're not similar incidents in the least.

 

There's no way you can argue that the bat throw was more dangerous or more insidious than what Alcantra did. If the situations were reversed in when they happened and who perpetrated them, people would be calling for the kicker's head too.

 

Undermine the integrity of the game? I knew I should've stayed out of this thread.

So you believe there should be no additional penalty for attacking an umpire? You don't have a problem with umps being intimidated by people who don't agree with their calls? Let's keep the condescending crap out of it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So you believe there should be no additional penalty for attacking an umpire?

 

Not as much as was given out in comparison to past suspensions.

 

You don't have a problem with umps being intimidated by people who don't agree with their calls?

 

I don't think this was an attempt to intimidate an umpire, nor do I think umpires are/were/are going to be intimidated by the threat of that. Complete non-issue in my mind, I don't think I can express how little a factor that is.

 

Let's keep the condescending crap out of it.

 

Not condescending at all. This is pretty much an opinion driven situation, and I knew I was going to vehemently disagree with the majority of people with no chance of changing people's minds. That's why I should've stayed out of the thread, and it's why I'm now done with it.

[imb]

sounds about right. He really should have expected more, he has to be pretty pumped that it's only 50 games.

[RynoRules]

I cannot believe that attacking an authority figure (ump) is being compared to attacking a peer (another player). That's a huge logical leap in the context of this situation.

[Jehrico]

You don't have a problem with umps being intimidated by people who don't agree with their calls?

 

I don't think this was an attempt to intimidate an umpire, nor do I think umpires are/were/are going to be intimidated by the threat of that. Complete non-issue in my mind, I don't think I can express how little a factor that is.[\quote]

Whether or not he intended to intimidate an umpire, it could still have that affect. The only way to ensure the umps aren't intimidated is to let them know that any form of physicality aimed in their direction will be dealt with a heavy hand.

 

quote="Transmogrified Tiger"]

Let's keep the condescending crap out of it.

 

Not condescending at all. This is pretty much an opinion driven situation, and I knew I was going to vehemently disagree with the majority of people with no chance of changing people's minds. That's why I should've stayed out of the thread, and it's why I'm now done with it.

Your comment "Undermine the integrity of the game? I knew I should have stayed out of this thread" was highly condescending. There was no argument offered against that point, just a "you have to be kidding" attitude.

[Mark_R]

 

So the difference between the umpire and the catcher is a 900% difference in suspension?

 

Did Alcantara kick the guy in the face?

[Burtonbell]

Sounds good to me...

 

So how many games does Bernie Williams get for flipping his helmet back at the umpire in last nights Yanks/Sox game? 1-5 games? Maybe just a fine?

[Jehrico]

 

So the difference between the umpire and the catcher is a 900% difference in suspension?

 

Did Alcantara kick the guy in the face?

 

In the chest protector. It didn't look like he was aiming anywhere in particular, he just lifted his right (back) leg and kicked the catcher before he took off after the pitcher. He's lucky he didn't hit him in the throat, which would have been the worst place to kick him, since his body and face were protected.