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TOP OF THE SEVENTH INNING

 

Ramirez grounded out to second, 4-3

Uggla struck out swinging

Cabrera struck out (called)

 

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

              1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
Florida       2 0 1 0 0 0 0        3 6 0 
CUBS          0 0 0 0 0 0          0 1 0

 

Home runs: Florida: Cabrera (4)

 

pitcher     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Zambrano   7.0  6  3  3  3 12  1 116

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12 ks

 

Z has pitched very well.

 

A team cannot win when it goes up hacking at everything in sight from a pitcher who they haven't seen before.

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Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

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Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

For some of these guys they won't be happy with anything less than perfect. Me? I think Z has done a good job tonight outside of a couple pitches early. The big problem has been our offense continueing to listen to Baker and Clines.

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If the Cubs lose tonight, it is entirely the fault of the offense. Vargas is not that good of a pitcher.

 

That's what I'm saying. I mean 3 runs, yeah it's not good, but it's also not terrible.

 

Getting only one hit, and no runs, that's terrible.

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Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

Even last year when Z was locked in, he'd often have problems with his control in the 1st inning or so. He has a lot of movement on his pitches and it takes him a few pitches to settle in. The main blow today came in the 1st inning.

 

I'm concerned about his BB rate this season, but I don't think giving up 3 runs over 7 innings is a crime.

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Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitched after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better

team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

 

this is all complete speculation on your part. If if if if....i doubt other teams would have him hit hard with the stuff he had tonight. take out cabrera, one of the top 5 offensive players in the game over the last 3 yrs, and this is a shutout.

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Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes.

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Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

Ok, 3 runs. Fine, I can say that 3 runs is somewhat inexcuseable. But the Cubs have no offense. If someone wants to blame this loss, it should directly go to the offense. Not Carlos, ineffectiveness in the first 3 innings.

 

Holding your opponent to just 3 runs or less, it should have been a winnable game for the Cubs. Of course, it's the Cubs offense we're talking about, and it's the crappy left handed pitcher on the mound.

 

You see it however you want, but I'm pointing out the fact that the Cubs offense isn't doing jack-squat to support Zambrano. Again, 3 runs. There's no reason why the Cubs can't get themselves 3 runs. The problem is they're just swining at first-pitches, striking out, etc.

 

I'm not giving the offense a pass, I'm just talking about Zambrano.

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Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes.

 

You're twisting my position.

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