4/24 Marlins (Vargas) @ Cubs (Z!) 6:05 PM WCIU/ESPN

[badger1679666666]

Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes.

 

You're twisting my position.

 

No i'm rewriting your position. "If he were pitching against a better team he would have an easier defecit". You're talking about a hypothetical situation and criticiszing Z based on that, and that's plain crap.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Bulls implode at the end of the half.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes.

 

You're twisting my position.

 

No i'm rewriting your position. "If he were pitching against a better team he would have an easier defecit". You're talking about a hypothetical situation and criticiszing Z based on that, and that's plain crap.

 

stop badgering her. :lol:

[Mizzou]

Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitches after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

so you base your argument on what would have happened against another team even though you have no clue what would have actually happened. In case you're not watching, he's had sick sick stuff with a few mistakes.

 

You're twisting my position.

 

No i'm rewriting your position. "If he were pitching against a better team he would have an easier defecit". You're talking about a hypothetical situation and criticiszing Z based on that, and that's plain crap.

I don't have anything to add, I just thought we should have another long quote in this thread.

[Coach C]

Come on Matt!

[Butterscup1679666578]

Bulls implode at the end of the half.

 

That was ugly

 

Gotta protect MM!

[Blueheart05]

Come on Z. You could have done at least ONE thing right tonight

 

He's struck out NINE!!!!!!!

 

It's not about the strikeout. He's pitched poorly overall. I don't buy that this was a "quality start." He made some poor decisions on the mound and allowed himself to be beaten by their few good hitters (namely Cabrera).

 

Well then maybe you should go and redefine QS. Because he's had one. I didn't say he didn't make mistakes, but he's got a few.

 

Our offense needs to stop swinging at 1st pitches.

 

No, you said he struck out 9 as if that was a sign of quality. My point was that he made key mistakes that led to runs scored.

 

he's struck out 10 and given up 3 ER. Quality start whether you buy it or not.

 

It doesn't matter what we call it, walking guys and giving up homeruns and doubles, right afterwards, isn't smart pitching. It's like he looses his concentration on the mound.

 

 

Maybe he didn't lose his concentration. Maybe he was beat by a good hitter.

 

How bout 7 innings, 3 ER, 11 ks? Still a "poor" outing?

 

Perfect? No. Poor? Of course not.

 

He's admitted to losing concentration on the mound a few times already this year. Also, once a walk is issued, it would be nice if he would work hard on getting the next man. If these were better hitters this game would have been busted open. Remember, he walked a guy on 5 (?) pitched after giving up the 3rd run but was able to rally and Rothschild had to run out to help him refocus. If he were pitching against a better

team this could easily be a larger deficit.

 

 

this is all complete speculation on your part. If if if if....i doubt other teams would have him hit hard with the stuff he had tonight. take out cabrera, one of the top 5 offensive players in the game over the last 3 yrs, and this is a shutout.

 

Cabrera isn't the only person with an RBI tonight. The walks hurt more than anything. As I said earlier, Cabrera is good so if he gets a hit you tip your cap. The walks only added to deficit.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Everyone keep swinging at ball 4 please.

[E.J.]

How many diving plays tonight? This is ridiculous.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Murton grounded into a FC, 5-4, Barrett out at second

[Coach C]

Gah. Lucky stab.

[badger1679666666]

Christ can we get a break?

[Yeti]

ground out on ball 4 :cry:

[Mizzou]

Great, here comes an inning ending DP.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

jones - don't suck.

[sweetpeteman]

Z has the stuff but he did give up 3 runs to a rookie team. It doesn't help when our offense doesn't show up though.

 

HE GAVE UP A HOMERUN TO MIGUEL CABRERA, NOT EXACTLY A ROOKIE.

[CubinNY]

One pitch Jones takes a pitch

[CubinNY]

One pitch Jones takes a pitch

Then swings at a ball.

[Coach C]

HBP.

 

Wow, did that really hit him?

[Chris]

ha ha

[Butterscup1679666578]

That hit the bat definitely.

[YearofDaCubs]

Z has the stuff but he did give up 3 runs to a rookie team. It doesn't help when our offense doesn't show up though.

 

HE GAVE UP A HOMERUN TO MIGUEL CABRERA, NOT EXACTLY A ROOKIE.

SO THE HELL WHAT!!! HE STILL GAVE UP 3 RUNS!!

[Fred Hornkohl]

Jones hit by pitch, Murton to second

[ToupeeOnFire]

Way to make yourself useful Jock.

[E.J.]

Way to fake out the ump Jones. Best play you've had in forever.