4/23 Cubs (Maddux) @ Cardinals (Marquis) 1:15 PM WGN TV

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

yeah baby. now you can pose.

[Warpticon]

Seriously, what's the point of having a one-dimensional singles and base stealing leadoff hitter if you're going to give up a freaking out just to get him to second?

 

Thank you, Aramis.

[minnesotacubsfan]

aram is 18" from a 2 hr game

 

 

ugh

Edited April 23, 2006 by minnesotacubsfan

[Andy]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Pierre grounded to second, safe at first on a fielding error, E4

Cedeno sacrificed, 5-3, Pierre to second

Walker popped out to third base

Ramirez homered to left center field, Pierre

Barrett popped out to shortstop

 

2 runs, 1 hits, 1 errors, 0 men left on base

 

              1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
CUBS          0 0 1 1 2            4 5 0 
St. Louis     0 0 0 0              0 4 2 

 

Home runs: CUBS: Jones (2), Ramirez (3)

[Andy]

I think Aramis is just about ready to bust out in a big way. He's looked really good today, even before he jacked that one.

[cubfan1955]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

And for OBP it counts as a reached base safely.

[abuck1220]

I HATE seeing a #2 hitter sac bunt.

 

I guess Dusty is feeling desperate for each run, since this lineup isn't really murderer's row.

 

and he thinks that giving up outs will accomplish that?

[UMFan83]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

 

Yup, think about it logically, you came up to bat (+1 AB) but you did not get a hit or a walk (0 H), so you go 0-1.

[abuck1220]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

And for OBP it counts as a reached base safely.

 

no it doesn't.

[Outshined_One]

Is there an echo? Should we look at an adjusted ratio? Why not? It'd be a much more accurate assessment of a catcher's ability to throw out a basestealer.

 

Barrett is typically below average in throwing out basestealers. Nothing I've seen so far this year changes that. A couple botched hit and runs inflated his CS ratio. He'll regress to career averages.

 

Personally, I think Barrett's bat more than makes up for this deficiency.

 

That's the answer I was looking for. Thank you.

 

Botched hit and runs and bad jumps are a part of baseball. I don't think they are as common as stolen base attempts, but they are significant enough that they are counted as SBs. Catcher's indifference seems to subtract from SB numbers for some reason, although why is a bit puzzling.

 

Barrett's career averages have been affected and influenced by these factors. It's not like a .200 hitter who goes 10-20 over a short span of time; those are outliers. Botched hit and runs plus bad jumps are not.

[Warpticon]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

And for OBP it counts as a reached base safely.

 

Wait, I got my conversations crossed. I was talking about on bunts. :lol:

[UMFan83]

Oh man 83-82 IND with 2:30 left in the 4th. Tempted to switch over for a bit.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Miles flied out to right field

[Fred Hornkohl]

Marquis flied out to right center field

[cubfan1955]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

And for OBP it counts as a reached base safely.

 

no it doesn't.

Oops...my bad.

 

In baseball statistics, on base percentage (OBP) (sometimes referred to as on base average (OBA)) is a measure of how often a batter gets to first base for any reason other than a fielding error or a fielder's choice.

[Warpticon]

Well, I'm done for a little while. Off to watch Suns/Lakers. Thank goodness for Gameday.

[Outshined_One]

Eckstein tries to pull a Furcal.

[UMFan83]

PLZ don't break your wrist Walker.

[Flames24Rulz]

wow, that was real scary.

 

Maddux dominant through 5.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Miles flied out to right field

Marquis flied out to right center field

Eckstein grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3

 

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

              1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
CUBS          0 0 1 1 2            4 5 0 
St. Louis     0 0 0 0 0            0 4 2 

 

Home runs: CUBS: Jones (2), Ramirez (3)

 

pitcher     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Maddux     5.0  4  0  0  1  3  0  73 

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

what was eckstein trying to do there?

[Blueheart05]

Another 1-2-3 inning for Maddux. He's up to 72 pitches. I hope he can go 7 but next inning will be a test.

[Blueheart05]

what was eckstein trying to do there?

 

Cause trouble.

[YearofDaCubs]

It *doesn't* lower your BA.

Yes it does. If you reach on an error, you get charged an AB, 0 for 1.

And for OBP it counts as a reached base safely.

 

no it doesn't.

Oops...my bad.

 

In baseball statistics, on base percentage (OBP) (sometimes referred to as on base average (OBA)) is a measure of how often a batter gets to first base for any reason other than a fielding error or a fielder's choice.

Thanks guys, I figured that was the case but wanted to make sure.