Trade negotiations

[Jon]

I don't think there's much of a point in comparing Prior and Hernandez as prospects. Mark showed what he could do at college and had only 9 minor league starts before joining the big league rotation for good. Felix, on the other hand, was 17-years-old during his first minor league season and started 48 times before being called up last year.

 

They were kinda at the opposite ends of the top pitching prospect spectrum.

[soccer10k]

But unless he gets hurt, Felix is likely to be a significantly better player than anyone in the Cubs system. Or any other system, for that matter.

I agree, but history hasn't been kind to phenom pitchers. Here's hoping his career's a long one.

 

The Mariners need to ban the words Dwight Gooden from ever being spoken in their clubhouse.

[soccer10k]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

I definately don't think you should trade 5 of your best young prospects for a player that is only going to take the field once out of every five days. I could maybe see doing it with a position player like Pujols, MAYBE. But that had better be one hell of a player.

 

Also you have to consider the injury risk. If your one star player gets injured, you're screwed. Whereas if you keep those five prospect and one gets injured, you still have the other four.

 

In baseball, one player doesn't win you a championship. The same goes for football. However, if this was basketball, then it might be worth it since one player can completely change a franchise (re: Michael Jordan).

 

I bet the odds are fairly good that one of those five players will make multiple All Star games in his career and another could make one or two. Throw in an average everyday player, and have the other two washout, and that is still three players that make contributions to your team.

 

So like I said, I would maybe do it for a position player but I would never make that trade for any pitcher. Unless he's going to make 70-80 starts in a year and throw 450 innings. Then I would consider it. But I highly doubt we'll ever see another pitcher like that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Saying you wouldn't trade your top 5 prospects for Johan Santana just seems insane. Even if he doesn't pitch as many innings/starts as guys did all the time...back in the 1800s.

[srbin84]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

I definately don't think you should trade 5 of your best young prospects for a player that is only going to take the field once out of every five days. I could maybe see doing it with a position player like Pujols, MAYBE. But that had better be one hell of a player.

 

Also you have to consider the injury risk. If your one star player gets injured, you're screwed. Whereas if you keep those five prospect and one gets injured, you still have the other four.

 

In baseball, one player doesn't win you a championship. The same goes for football. However, if this was basketball, then it might be worth it since one player can completely change a franchise (re: Michael Jordan).

 

I bet the odds are fairly good that one of those five players will make multiple All Star games in his career and another could make one or two. Throw in an average everyday player, and have the other two washout, and that is still three players that make contributions to your team.

 

So like I said, I would maybe do it for a position player but I would never make that trade for any pitcher. Unless he's going to make 70-80 starts in a year and throw 450 innings. Then I would consider it. But I highly doubt we'll ever see another pitcher like that.

 

I see that as the best case scenerio, not a given. I also see Felix Hernandez making multiple all star games as a given.

[NCCubFan]

I see that as the best case scenerio, not a given. I also see Felix Hernandez making multiple all star games as a given.

Likely, I'd agree with. A given, definitely not.

[Jehrico]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

I definately don't think you should trade 5 of your best young prospects for a player that is only going to take the field once out of every five days. I could maybe see doing it with a position player like Pujols, MAYBE. But that had better be one hell of a player.

 

Also you have to consider the injury risk. If your one star player gets injured, you're screwed. Whereas if you keep those five prospect and one gets injured, you still have the other four.

 

In baseball, one player doesn't win you a championship. The same goes for football. However, if this was basketball, then it might be worth it since one player can completely change a franchise (re: Michael Jordan).

 

I bet the odds are fairly good that one of those five players will make multiple All Star games in his career and another could make one or two. Throw in an average everyday player, and have the other two washout, and that is still three players that make contributions to your team.

 

So like I said, I would maybe do it for a position player but I would never make that trade for any pitcher. Unless he's going to make 70-80 starts in a year and throw 450 innings. Then I would consider it. But I highly doubt we'll ever see another pitcher like that.

 

I see that as the best case scenerio, not a given. I also see Felix Hernandez making multiple all star games as a given.

 

Still not worth it. Look at what the Herschel Walker trade did to those teams. If that isn't a clear example of why you shouldn't leverage the future of your franchise against one player, then I don't know. And in that situation, it's not like Walker stunk or was hurt and washed out of the league right after the trade. Even if Felix's best case scenario turns out, it still likely won't be a great move.

[Jehrico]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

I definately don't think you should trade 5 of your best young prospects for a player that is only going to take the field once out of every five days. I could maybe see doing it with a position player like Pujols, MAYBE. But that had better be one hell of a player.

 

Also you have to consider the injury risk. If your one star player gets injured, you're screwed. Whereas if you keep those five prospect and one gets injured, you still have the other four.

 

In baseball, one player doesn't win you a championship. The same goes for football. However, if this was basketball, then it might be worth it since one player can completely change a franchise (re: Michael Jordan).

 

I bet the odds are fairly good that one of those five players will make multiple All Star games in his career and another could make one or two. Throw in an average everyday player, and have the other two washout, and that is still three players that make contributions to your team.

 

So like I said, I would maybe do it for a position player but I would never make that trade for any pitcher. Unless he's going to make 70-80 starts in a year and throw 450 innings. Then I would consider it. But I highly doubt we'll ever see another pitcher like that.

 

I see that as the best case scenerio, not a given. I also see Felix Hernandez making multiple all star games as a given.

 

Still not worth it. Look at what the Herschel Walker trade did to those teams. If that isn't a clear example of why you shouldn't leverage the future of your franchise against one player, then I don't know. And in that situation, it's not like Walker stunk or was hurt and washed out of the league right after the trade. Even if Felix's best case scenario turns out, it still likely won't be a great move.

 

Thus far, Felix is off to a slow start, allowing 4 hrs in 21 innings, a WHIP of 1.33, ERA around 4.5 while going 0-3. The kid is probably going to be a stud, but given his success in 12 starts last year, alot of people had him penciled in as running away with the AL Cy Young. My point is, young phenoms are too unpredictable, and to gut your farm on one is taking a serious, serious, foolish gamble with the future of your franchise. The best case scenario in a trade like that is you give up what becomes a few good players for a stud, the worst case scenario is you bankrolled the future of your franchise on what could become a flameout/injury washout. The trade in the original post would be an extremely foolish one to make, IMO.

[srbin84]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

I definately don't think you should trade 5 of your best young prospects for a player that is only going to take the field once out of every five days. I could maybe see doing it with a position player like Pujols, MAYBE. But that had better be one hell of a player.

 

Also you have to consider the injury risk. If your one star player gets injured, you're screwed. Whereas if you keep those five prospect and one gets injured, you still have the other four.

 

In baseball, one player doesn't win you a championship. The same goes for football. However, if this was basketball, then it might be worth it since one player can completely change a franchise (re: Michael Jordan).

 

I bet the odds are fairly good that one of those five players will make multiple All Star games in his career and another could make one or two. Throw in an average everyday player, and have the other two washout, and that is still three players that make contributions to your team.

 

So like I said, I would maybe do it for a position player but I would never make that trade for any pitcher. Unless he's going to make 70-80 starts in a year and throw 450 innings. Then I would consider it. But I highly doubt we'll ever see another pitcher like that.

 

I see that as the best case scenerio, not a given. I also see Felix Hernandez making multiple all star games as a given.

 

Still not worth it. Look at what the Herschel Walker trade did to those teams. If that isn't a clear example of why you shouldn't leverage the future of your franchise against one player, then I don't know. And in that situation, it's not like Walker stunk or was hurt and washed out of the league right after the trade. Even if Felix's best case scenario turns out, it still likely won't be a great move.

 

Thus far, Felix is off to a slow start, allowing 4 hrs in 21 innings, a WHIP of 1.33, ERA around 4.5 while going 0-3. The kid is probably going to be a stud, but given his success in 12 starts last year, alot of people had him penciled in as running away with the AL Cy Young. My point is, young phenoms are too unpredictable, and to gut your farm on one is taking a serious, serious, foolish gamble with the future of your franchise. The best case scenario in a trade like that is you give up what becomes a few good players for a stud, the worst case scenario is you bankrolled the future of your franchise on what could become a flameout/injury washout. The trade in the original post would be an extremely foolish one to make, IMO.

 

Yeah, you're right, kind of like if someone else tried to trade for Prior.