Trade negotiations

[srbin84]

What would happen if a GM wanted a player that wasn't availible but was willing to grossly overpay?

 

For example:

 

Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey for Felix Hernandez

 

I would do that trade from the Cubs side. It's the kind of trade you could only do once because it guts your farm system but I think it would be worth it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

A trade also has to be OK'd by MLB.

[RyCubsFan]

What would happen if a GM wanted a player that wasn't availible but was willing to grossly overpay?

 

For example:

 

Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey for Felix Hernandez

 

I would do that trade from the Cubs side. It's the kind of trade you could only do once because it guts your farm system but I think it would be worth it.

 

Boy that's freakin' a lot to spend on one young pitcher. What happens if Hernandez gets hurt, as so many young pitchers do? This would be an insane trade for the Cubs. Pie, Pawelek, and Guzman all could be as good as Hernandez in their careers.

[Guest]

What would happen if a GM wanted a player that wasn't availible but was willing to grossly overpay?

 

For example:

 

Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey for Felix Hernandez

 

I would do that trade from the Cubs side. It's the kind of trade you could only do once because it guts your farm system but I think it would be worth it.

 

Boy that's freakin' a lot to spend on one young pitcher. What happens if Hernandez gets hurt, as so many young pitchers do? This would be an insane trade for the Cubs. Pie, Pawelek, and Guzman all could be as good as Hernandez in their careers.

Could be as good? Sure, anything is possible.

 

But unless he gets hurt, Felix is likely to be a significantly better player than anyone in the Cubs system. Or any other system, for that matter.

[1908]

But unless he gets hurt, Felix is likely to be a significantly better player than anyone in the Cubs system. Or any other system, for that matter.

I agree, but history hasn't been kind to phenom pitchers. Here's hoping his career's a long one.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

But unless he gets hurt, Felix is likely to be a significantly better player than anyone in the Cubs system. Or any other system, for that matter.

I agree, but history hasn't been kind to phenom pitchers. Here's hoping his career's a long one.

 

Here's hoping that he stays in the AL.

[BigbadB]

I certainly couldn't understand crippling your entire farm system for a guy who takes the mound once every 5 days.

 

Now, if the player was someone who could play in every game, that might change things a little bit. But, he would have to be a no doubt about it stud, and all of his "cheap" years would have be ahead of him.

 

An A-Rod type player.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I'd trade Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey for Felix Hernandez in a heartbeat.

[snoodmonger]

What would happen if a GM wanted a player that wasn't availible but was willing to grossly overpay?

 

For example:

 

Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey for Felix Hernandez

 

I would do that trade from the Cubs side. It's the kind of trade you could only do once because it guts your farm system but I think it would be worth it.

 

I'd trade them for pujols.

[sweetpeteman]

Cabrera is another player I would give up a good chunk for.

 

There are just some players you would overpay for.

[srbin84]

If you could make a trade like this every two or three years, it might be more effective than developing your own star players. If your system wasn't extremely deep, you could just use the rest of the minor leagues to develop bench player, relievers and borderline rotation guys to fill in for your perenial world series contender. There would be times when the other team got good players in return but a guaranteed star coming up every couple years would be hard to pass up. Maybe it's a crazy idea...

[sweetpeteman]

If you could make a trade like this every two or three years, it might be more effective than developing your own star players. If your system wasn't extremely deep, you could just use the rest of the minor leagues to develop bench player, relievers and borderline rotation guys to fill in for your perenial world series contender. There would be times when the other team got good players in return but a guaranteed star coming up every couple years would be hard to pass up. Maybe it's a crazy idea...

 

The problem is that you cant do this every two or three years because you probably won't have enough good players to do it, especially if you don't have high draft picks due to being a contender. The Yankees are a good example. They have a very week farm system because they can't draft that many good players.

[katway]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

Not to mention it would really suck to go to a Jaxx or I-Cubs game and watch them get killed all the time.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

Felix is one the greatest pitching prospects in the history of baseball.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

[CardsFanInChiTown]

There's no one player worth crippling your minor league system that much for.

 

I agree. One superstar player is not a substitute for a quality team of players. Felix is good, but we would be mortgaging the teams future.

 

To further put in perspective, we'd be giving up a pretty good reliever, plus the #1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 prospects in our system(BA rankings).

 

No offense but the Cubs system isn't that strong with top end talent. Felix is in another world. Again, if I were the Cubs I'd take the risk and do it in a heartbeat.

[SouthSideRyan]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

[Tracer Bullet]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

 

And not really "proven." There are lots of 20-year-old pitchers who don't reach their potential, due to injuries or other things (like Doc). Felix has a very high ceiling, but being a pitching prospect means he also comes with a great deal of risk. It's not like you're dealing all of those guys and getting a guarantee that he'll have a Clemens-type career rather than an injury-riddled one.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

 

And not really "proven." There are lots of 20-year-old pitchers who don't reach their potential, due to injuries or other things (like Doc). Felix has a very high ceiling, but being a pitching prospect means he also comes with a great deal of risk. It's not like you're dealing all of those guys and getting a guarantee that he'll have a Clemens-type career rather than an injury-riddled one.

 

True, I'm very leery of pitching prospects injuries wise however I think Felix's talent is too great not to do the deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

 

And not really "proven." There are lots of 20-year-old pitchers who don't reach their potential, due to injuries or other things (like Doc). Felix has a very high ceiling, but being a pitching prospect means he also comes with a great deal of risk. It's not like you're dealing all of those guys and getting a guarantee that he'll have a Clemens-type career rather than an injury-riddled one.

 

True, I'm very leery of pitching prospects injuries wise however I think Felix's talent is too great not to do the deal.

 

Think about where the organization would be after doing that trade. We'd have basically nothing in the system worth trading, and we'd be up one stud pitcher. It'd take years to get the system back, and the Cubs aren't one Felix Hernandez away from winning the pennant. If you were that committed to trading all those guys, you could probably get better value receiving multiple players in return.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

 

And not really "proven." There are lots of 20-year-old pitchers who don't reach their potential, due to injuries or other things (like Doc). Felix has a very high ceiling, but being a pitching prospect means he also comes with a great deal of risk. It's not like you're dealing all of those guys and getting a guarantee that he'll have a Clemens-type career rather than an injury-riddled one.

 

True, I'm very leery of pitching prospects injuries wise however I think Felix's talent is too great not to do the deal.

 

Think about where the organization would be after doing that trade. We'd have basically nothing in the system worth trading, and we'd be up one stud pitcher. It'd take years to get the system back, and the Cubs aren't one Felix Hernandez away from winning the pennant. If you were that committed to trading all those guys, you could probably get better value receiving multiple players in return.

 

I guess it all comes down to how much you value Wuertz, Hill, Guzman, Pawelek, Pie, Harvey. Personally I don't think it's a very exciting bunch. I also disagree about getting better value with multiple players in return. Again, Felix is one of the greatest pitching prospects in the history of baseball. That said, I certainly understand your position.

[Holy Cow]

I agree with CFICT. It's unlikely that any of those prospects will reach the heights Hernandez will. It's the old trade the unknown for the proven. Except the proven is 20 years old an pre-arbitration.

 

And not really "proven." There are lots of 20-year-old pitchers who don't reach their potential, due to injuries or other things (like Doc). Felix has a very high ceiling, but being a pitching prospect means he also comes with a great deal of risk. It's not like you're dealing all of those guys and getting a guarantee that he'll have a Clemens-type career rather than an injury-riddled one.

 

But think of how much it took to bring Doc down.

[Jehrico]

Does this trade proposal remind anyone of the Herschel Walker trade that set up the Cowboys dynasty in the 90s?

 

I wouldn't do it. Hernandez might be great (more like probably will be, big question for me is the injury question). But then again, out of Pie, Pawalek, Guzman, and Harvey, there's a very good chance that one of those guys is a future all-star, and out of those and the rest of the guys, there's a possibility that there's another 2 solid every-dayers. Or, you could look at it like those guys could make up packages to upgrade to two other all-stars at positions of need. I think we could get more in trades by separating everyone than by lumping them together for one great prospect.