Bobby Hill Released by Padres

[JC]

I just saw it on ESPN's bottom line. No other information.

[BigbadB]

I just saw it on ESPN's bottom line. No other information.

 

Wow! I guess it's down to Geoff Blum, Mark Bellhorn and Josh Barfield in San Diego for that 2b job.

[Andy]

Haha, we got Aramis Ramirez for him

[NorthsideAvenger]

Haha, we got Aramis Ramirez for him

 

Now WHY did we re-sign Nefti, again?

 

Oh well, I wouldn't mind if the Cubs sign Bobby Hill.

[brinoch]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

Well, we are trading Walker for Matos...

[KatJ]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

I thought Hill played some 3B also? I'd rather see him backing up Ramirez than Mabry. Gary Gaetti he is not.

[Neuby]

I bet Juan Cruz is next.

[brinoch]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

Well, we are trading Walker for Matos...

 

Gotta have lots and lots of 2B's.

[BigbadB]

Let's get Hill and Menechino and keep Walker. We could start a different 2b every day of the week.

[EricG]

Is Macias still looking for a job?

[Balsa]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

I thought Hill played some 3B also? I'd rather see him backing up Ramirez than Mabry. Gary Gaetti he is not.

 

How ironic would that be? Hill backing up Ramirez... :lol:

 

Man I love it when Hendry fleeces other teams.

[erik316wttn]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

I thought Hill played some 3B also? I'd rather see him backing up Ramirez than Mabry. Gary Gaetti he is not.

 

How ironic would that be? Hill backing up Ramirez... :lol:

 

Man I love it when Hendry fleeces other teams.

 

If only he could do it more often....

[CubsWin]

I think it's clear we need another 2B.

 

I thought Hill played some 3B also? I'd rather see him backing up Ramirez than Mabry. Gary Gaetti he is not.

 

How ironic would that be? Hill backing up Ramirez... :lol:

 

Man I love it when Hendry fleeces other teams.

 

If only he could do it more often....

Granted, the Cubs could use some more fleecings since he can't seem to sign a meaningful FA, but how much more often can you expect one GM to fleece another?

 

Hundley for Grudz and Karros? Fleeced. Hill and garbage for Ramirez? Fleeced. Choi for Lee? Fleeced. Jones and not much else for Nomar and Murton? Fleeced.

 

Honorable mention goes to Miller for Barrett. Hawkins for Williams. Hairston Jr. for Sosa. Each of those has the possibility of becoming a fleecing, but aren't there yet.

 

He got burned on the Willis for Clement deal, but I can't call that a fleecing because no one saw Willis coming and Clement was pretty good, a whole heck of a lot better than Hundley or Hill or Choi or...

 

Four indisputable fleecings in just 3 1/2 years. Is there any other GM out there who can come close to that?

[JC]

Granted, the Cubs could use some more fleecings since he can't seem to sign a meaningful FA, but how much more often can you expect one GM to fleece another?

 

Hundley for Grudz and Karros? Fleeced. Hill and garbage for Ramirez? Fleeced. Choi for Lee? Fleeced. Jones and not much else for Nomar and Murton? Fleeced.

 

Honorable mention goes to Miller for Barrett. Hawkins for Williams. Hairston Jr. for Sosa. Each of those has the possibility of becoming a fleecing, but aren't there yet.

 

He got burned on the Willis for Clement deal, but I can't call that a fleecing because no one saw Willis coming and Clement was pretty good, a whole heck of a lot better than Hundley or Hill or Choi or...

 

Four indisputable fleecings in just 3 1/2 years. Is there any other GM out there who can come close to that?

 

Indisputable? Hardly. The economics of the Ramirez and Lee deals can't be ignored. They were components of the deals that factored in what the Pirates and Marlins could demand in return. As such, its hard to see how Hendry can receive all the credit and the "Jason and the Argonauts Golden Fleece Award".

 

As far as Nomar goes, he was a complete bust for the Cubs, in part, because Hendry waived the Cubs' right to require a physical. Instead, Hendry merely took Boston's reports and knew he was getting damaged goods by acknowledging that Nomar wouldn't be playing with regularity. As for Murton, he was a throw in, thanks to Theo Epstein's insistence when the Expos demanded Harris.

 

Grudz and Karros turned out much better than I expected. I give Hendry credit for that.

 

Other than Grudz/Karros, I hardly see an objective "fleecing" being had in each of these other instances.

[USSoccer]

Granted, the Cubs could use some more fleecings since he can't seem to sign a meaningful FA, but how much more often can you expect one GM to fleece another?

 

Hundley for Grudz and Karros? Fleeced. Hill and garbage for Ramirez? Fleeced. Choi for Lee? Fleeced. Jones and not much else for Nomar and Murton? Fleeced.

 

Honorable mention goes to Miller for Barrett. Hawkins for Williams. Hairston Jr. for Sosa. Each of those has the possibility of becoming a fleecing, but aren't there yet.

 

He got burned on the Willis for Clement deal, but I can't call that a fleecing because no one saw Willis coming and Clement was pretty good, a whole heck of a lot better than Hundley or Hill or Choi or...

 

Four indisputable fleecings in just 3 1/2 years. Is there any other GM out there who can come close to that?

 

Indisputable? Hardly. The economics of the Ramirez and Lee deals can't be ignored. They were components of the deals that factored in what the Pirates and Marlins could demand in return. As such, its hard to see how Hendry can receive all the credit and the "Jason and the Argonauts Golden Fleece Award".

 

As far as Nomar goes, he was a complete bust for the Cubs, in part, because Hendry waived the Cubs' right to require a physical. Instead, Hendry merely took Boston's reports and knew he was getting damaged goods by acknowledging that Nomar wouldn't be playing with regularity. As for Murton, he was a throw in, thanks to Theo Epstein's insistence when the Expos demanded Harris.

 

Grudz and Karros turned out much better than I expected. I give Hendry credit for that.

 

Other than Grudz/Karros, I hardly see an objective "fleecing" being had in each of these other instances.

 

Agreed 100%. Some credit is due for exploiting the situations, but Hendry was the recipient of good luck in both of those deals, and just because Murton is promising doesn't make that a fleecing. The main part of that deal was an unqualified waste.

[RynoRules]

C'mon now, there was absolutly no way to accurately predict what in fact happended with Nomar, particularly last year. The Lee for Choi trade was excellent. The Hill et al. for Ramirez and Lofton was great. Hundley for Karros and Grudz was also well done. Hawkins for Williams and Aardsma was more than we should have gotten for a "bleh" pitcher.

 

I agree that JH has not done much of anything since the Nomar deal, and I am upset about it. But that does not mean that he does not deserve credit for his better moments. This is an old argument on this bd., but some of us either see theglass as half empty all the time, or just have it in for Jim for reasons unknown.

[JC]

This is an old argument on this bd., but some of us either see theglass as half empty all the time, or just have it in for Jim for reasons unknown.

 

This is ignorant. Because people disagree with you about Hendry, they must have something personal against him? Please. Talk about tired, old arguments.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

This is an old argument on this bd., but some of us either see theglass as half empty all the time, or just have it in for Jim for reasons unknown.

 

This is ignorant. Because people disagree with you about Hendry, they must have something personal against him? Please. Talk about tired, old arguments.

 

Jim Hendry has done many positive things for this org. & pessimists like you always bring up his shortcomings, without ever bringing up the positive things he has done. Pessimists always focus on the negative & there are tons of them on this board. Excellent post Ryno Rules!

[RynoRules]

This is an old argument on this bd., but some of us either see theglass as half empty all the time, or just have it in for Jim for reasons unknown.

 

This is ignorant. Because people disagree with you about Hendry, they must have something personal against him? Please. Talk about tired, old arguments.

 

Wrong. Your arguments were dissecting those trades to the point where they made Hendry look like Maxwell Smart or Inspector Gadget - a bumbling fool who luckily has good results drop into his lap. That's my take on your argument, and I disagree with it. Hendry is far from perfect, and certainly deserves to have his feet held to the fire for things that have occurred over the last two or three years, but lets be fair.

 

And I am far from ignorant.

Edited March 16, 2006 by RynoRules

[TrueBlueCubFan]

No Jim Hendry = No D.Lee,C.Zambrano,A.Ramirez or M.Barrett. Can't have your cake & eat it too!

[RynoRules]

This is an old argument on this bd., but some of us either see theglass as half empty all the time, or just have it in for Jim for reasons unknown.

 

This is ignorant. Because people disagree with you about Hendry, they must have something personal against him? Please. Talk about tired, old arguments.

 

Jim Hendry has done many positive things for this org. & pessimists like you always bring up his shortcomings, without ever bringing up the positive things he has done. Pessimists always focus on the negative & there are tons of them on this board. Excellent post Ryno Rules!

 

You might label me a pessimist if you saw my posts in the Prior thread. Different opinions on different issues. Just b/c the Prior thing is an absolute disgrace doesn't mean that Jim has not had his moments. Problem is its been a while since he has had them.

[erik316wttn]

No Jim Hendry = No D.Lee,C.Zambrano,A.Ramirez or M.Barrett. Can't have your cake & eat it too!

 

I don't know about Zambo. Wasn't he in the system before Hendry came along?

[RynoRules]

No Jim Hendry = No D.Lee,C.Zambrano,A.Ramirez or M.Barrett. Can't have your cake & eat it too!

 

I don't know about Zambo. Wasn't he in the system before Hendry came along?

 

Who signed Zambo? Wasn't Jim Director of Scouting when he was signed? I dunno, I am just asking.

[CubinNY]

No Jim Hendry = No D.Lee,C.Zambrano,A.Ramirez or M.Barrett. Can't have your cake & eat it too!

That is just ridiculus beyond the point of obsurdity.

 

BTW

 

pes·si·mist n

somebody who always expects the worst to happen in every situation

 

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Reacting to the situation at hand (i.e., Prior and Wood injuries. The prospect of trading Walker for donuts, over paying for medicore bullpen pitchers and lead off men) is not pessimism.

 

Get over yourself and soon.