Prior delayed again

[Mark Priors Calves]

Too lazy to look it up right now, but is there anything significant with the soreness being in the back of his shoulder?

 

rotator cuff?

[Joe_Cub]

Sounds like he keeps showing up to camp out of shape.

[wade]

Boy, that Will Carroll sure is full of it.

 

Maybe he is. This could just be a coincidence. He even said on The Score that he wasn't really sure. Most likely it was a guess.

 

I thought Will Carroll said it was an elbow problem? :?

 

Here's a copy and paste from the article-

 

"You can't have spring training anymore without pitcher problems or at least rumors of said problems. Those usually start with the Cubs, and this year is no different. Reliable sources--the same ones that tipped us early to Mark Prior's Achilles problem--now tell us that Prior is having shoulder problems"

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4778

 

Look, I don't want to be right and I hope I'm wrong, but it's awfully strange that a pitcher in good health has been babied like this and is now headed to a doctor.

 

Go back two pages in this thread. Guys on here (not me, they're smarter) have been saying something is not right.

 

I'm afraid they were right.

[Jon]

Sounds like he keeps showing up to camp out of shape.

Well, he definitely came into camp out of shape, including in his arm, thanks to the pharyngitis. That delayed his throwing program a couple of weeks, I believe. Well, more than delayed. I think he had to start over from the beginning.

 

I don't see how they could have rushed him so far, so hopefully this is just some "minor" or "normal" soreness.

 

Ah, the rotator cuff. Thanks. I'm trying to pretend to study right now.

[wade]

That was what, two weeks ago? Something like that. That would mean the Cubs have had him pitch in bullpen sessions and a simulated game (would be two if he continued today) with pain in his shoulder. Carroll was also quite wrong about the towel drill.

 

Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow what's up.

 

I'm usually not a chicken little, but the same bunch also had Wood pitch in relief after they decided he should have shoulder surgery.

 

I'm really, really frustrated with my favorite team right now.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I think all the initial hand wringing over the first Paul Sullivan story were warranted even though some thought they were overractions. Many people are just so sick and tired of the way the Cubs organization deal with honesty, the media, and injuries.

[Jon]

That was what, two weeks ago? Something like that. That would mean the Cubs have had him pitch in bullpen sessions and a simulated game (would be two if he continued today) with pain in his shoulder. Carroll was also quite wrong about the towel drill.

 

Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow what's up.

 

I'm usually not a chicken little, but the same bunch also had Wood pitch in relief after they decided he should have shoulder surgery.

 

I'm really, really frustrated with my favorite team right now.

Well, that's a different scenario. They believed that Wood pitching wasn't going to do any further damage. The main problem with that was that him pitching was delaying his surgery. Here, if they knew something was wrong before, pushing him could cause more damage. They would have just shut him down and sent him to see a specialist.

 

I think they screwed up the Wood situation, but I don't think they're that incompetent.

[Joe_Cub]

The Chicagosports.com poll

 

When does Mark Prior start for the Cubs again?

 

13.7%

April/May (55 responses)

 

20.7%

June (83 responses)

 

17.7%

July (71 responses)

 

7.5%

August (30 responses)

 

2.2%

September (9 responses)

 

38.2%

Never (153 responses)

 

401 total responses

[Blueheart05]

That was what, two weeks ago? Something like that. That would mean the Cubs have had him pitch in bullpen sessions and a simulated game (would be two if he continued today) with pain in his shoulder. Carroll was also quite wrong about the towel drill.

 

Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow what's up.

 

I'm usually not a chicken little, but the same bunch also had Wood pitch in relief after they decided he should have shoulder surgery.

 

I'm really, really frustrated with my favorite team right now.

Well, that's a different scenario. They believed that Wood pitching wasn't going to do any further damage. The main problem with that was that him pitching was delaying his surgery. Here, if they knew something was wrong before, pushing him could cause more damage. They would have just shut him down and sent him to see a specialist.

 

I think they screwed up the Wood situation, but I don't think they're that incompetent.

 

Yeah, let's give the team some credit. Wood's knee surgery is a recent example of the team being overly cautious; by all accounts the procedure was precautionary. If the Cubs had an inkling that Prior was hurting before now they would have shut him down completely and sent him to the specialist two weeks ago. There is no incentive in waiting 2 weeks before opening day.

[YearofDaCubs]

Coincidence? Yeah right. More BS from this organization, what else is new.

[Blueheart05]

The Chicagosports.com poll

 

When does Mark Prior start for the Cubs again?

 

13.7%

April/May (55 responses)

 

20.7%

June (83 responses)

 

17.7%

July (71 responses)

 

7.5%

August (30 responses)

 

2.2%

September (9 responses)

 

38.2%

Never (153 responses)

 

401 total responses

 

Looks like all the pessimistic Cubs fans and the White Sox fans have jumped on this one early. :lol: :lol:

[2242005CY]

To think those of us who were being "paranoid" about Prior not throwing off a mound or to hitters. If we would've just swollowed the company drivel and standard Cubs lies and denials, we would've appeared insightful. Oh wait.

 

Let's not panic though, I mean getting your throwing shoulder checked out 3 weeks into ST games and after not throwing to a hitter is absolutely normal and nothing to worry about, right fellas? Fellas?

[Jon]

To think those of us who were being "paranoid" about Prior not throwing off a mound or to hitters. If we would've just swollowed the company drivel and standard Cubs lies and denials, we would've appeared insightful. Oh wait.

 

Let's not panic though, I mean getting your throwing shoulder checked out 3 weeks into ST games and after not throwing to a hitter is absolutely normal and nothing to worry about, right fellas? Fellas?

He has thrown to hitters and has thrown off the mound several times.

[CubinNY]

This reminds me of Naked Gun

 

Frank Drevin: Nothing to see here. Go home. Nothing to see here.

 

in the background explosions, fire, death, and mayhem.

 

Dusty: There is nothing wrong with Prior. Nothing. Nothing (quote from this morning's trib article on prior).

 

in the background Prior grabs the back of his arm.

 

EDIT: Actual Dusty quote

 

"It's not running out yet," manager Dusty Baker said. "He could come very quickly. He's thrown a lot. … Nothing's wrong with him. Nothing hurts. Nothing. Nothing. It's just a matter of him getting on that mound."

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060312cubsbits,1,1922683.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

Edited March 15, 2006 by CubinNY

[2242005CY]

Excuse me, so that explains why he's getting his shoulder looked at, after having "soreness" in it. I guess the virus he caught this Winter and the SOLE reason (according to a many a cub fan) for getting delayed must've spread to his shoulder?

 

My bad. Silly me, looks like I'm being paranoid again and this is afterall completely normal. Whew.

Edited March 15, 2006 by #2242005CY

[Blueheart05]

This reminds me of Naked Gun

 

Frank Drevin: Nothing to see here. Go home. Nothing to see here.

 

in the background explosions, fire, death, and mayhem.

 

Dusty: There is nothing wrong with Prior. Nothing. Nothing (quote from this morning's trib article on prior).

 

in the background Prior grabs the back of his arm.

 

 

LOL, Prior was also quoted as saying there was nothing wrong which leads me to think this just happened.

[Jon]

This reminds me of Naked Gun

 

Frank Drevin: Nothing to see here. Go home. Nothing to see here.

 

in the background explosions, fire, death, and mayhem.

 

Dusty: There is nothing wrong with Prior. Nothing. Nothing (quote from this morning's trib article on prior).

 

in the background Prior grabs the back of his arm.

Well, Prior went to USC. So did OJ Simpson. And the USC marching band delivered their best performance ever at the end of the movie.

 

Now that's a conspiracy.

[Laura]

Cubs.com[/url]"]

 

Chicago Cubs pitcher Mark Prior, who had been on a strict program in an attempt to avoid any injury, will have his right shoulder examined by Dr. Lewis Yocum after complaining of soreness before a bullpen session on Tuesday.

 

Prior, 25, has some posterior rotator cuff irritation, Cubs athletic trainer Mark O'Neal said. The pitcher flew home to San Diego on Tuesday and will see Yocum on Wednesday in Los Angeles.

 

"Everybody's been aware Mark has been under a pretty strict throwing program and we've had absolutely no problems up to now," O'Neal said. "We've been treating him for basically normal symptoms that everybody has when they throw. Unfortunately today, he threw a bullpen and developed some posterior shoulder soreness that we wanted to be evaluated."

 

Earlier this spring, the Cubs had to deal with rumors that Prior had either shoulder or elbow problems, and that was why he had yet to appear in a Cactus League game. Prior was to throw his second simulated game on Thursday and was in line for his first spring start. All of that is now delayed.

 

"It's unfortunate," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said. "The first time he's ever complained of discomfort since we got here [in spring camp] is today. It will be perceived any way people want to perceive it. There's no advantage to us holding back until March 14 and then discussing a problem that we knew about earlier.

 

"Hopefully, it's just a little snag and he's back with a few days setback and he's back on his program at the end of the week," Hendry said. "Today was the first day that he ever told [O'Neal] or Larry that he had discomfort."

 

Asked if the soreness was normal, Rothschild said no.

 

"I would say it seems like it's a little more than that," he said. "If [it were normal], we'd go a day and see how it is tomorrow. We won't know until he gets checked out."

 

No one is sure what the next step is in Prior's program. He was tentatively scheduled to start the second game of the regular season on April 5 against Cincinnati.

 

"I'm going to wait and see what we're dealing with first and try to figure out what we have to do and go from there," Rothschild said. "Everybody knows what he means to the team. We'll have to wait and see."

[Catman61]

Isn't Dr Yocum an ELBOW specialist?

 

(not that he can't look at shoulders as well)

[Gunned]

I think even in the best case scenario, it's going to add further delays to his throwing program, which is already way behind.

 

If his shoulder is sore, we're looking at a few days to diagnose it. Say it comes back with the most optimistic diagnosis -- that he just has some inflammation. They'll give him a week off and he'll have to come back and make up for lost time, as well as catch up to everyone.

 

I can't imagine seeing Prior pitch until at least late April, and that's just if there's nothing seriously wrong.

[Jon]

Excuse me, so that explains why he's getting his shoulder looked at, after having "soreness" in it. I guess the virus he caught this Winter and the SOLE reason (according to a many a cub fan) for getting delayed must've spread to his shoulder?

 

My bad. Silly me, looks like I'm being paranoid again and this is afterall completely normal. Whew.

First, we don't even know yet what, if anything, is wrong. And while he did progress slower than they hoped, the virus definitely pushed him back some. And let's not forget that from the very beginning they've been talking about how they're taking a different approach this spring (as a result of the virus, I don't know). It wasn't just after the Carroll article. This was when pitchers and catchers reported. If there was something wrong back then, what's going on now isn't enough to provide such a conclusion.

 

Carroll wasn't very specific when he said "shoulder problems," but that was three weeks ago (after looking it up). You don't go forward with shoulder problems and start throwing off the mound and to hitters with shoulder problems. Perhaps there was a hint of soreness and it went away, but it couldn't have been present throughout those three weeks. They wouldn't have moved him forward if his shoulder was sore, especially not without having him see a specialist.

[ThePenguin11]

Who's going to take Prior's spot in the simulated pitching rotation? That's what's really at stake here. We coulda been a contenda! Edited March 15, 2006 by ThePenguin11

[CubinNY]

What in the world are they doing for him? I thought this "special" program was supposed to help him not get injured?

 

Well so much for that.

[Andy]

Last time Prior had minor shoulder issues, he didn't pitch until June.

 

Season in severe jeopardy of being over.

[Blueheart05]

I don't know what to say about Rothschilds comments. Thankfully, Prior's going to see the doctor tomorrow so they can find out if there is a real problem and how to alleviate it quickly. Part of me still thinks Prior is hypersensitive to pain. Last year he was delayed and pitched well until the line drive incident. Previously, he complained of pain and after extensive tests they found no problem. IIRC, he also had his own doctors look him over...