Prior delayed again

[JC]

Healthy pitchers pitch. Those who are throwing with towels instead of pitching' date=' or engaged in other rehab-type activites *instead* of pitching, are injured.

 

That's just simple logic.[/quote']

 

Bingo!! It was just a matter of time before whatever was ailing Prior was revealed. Did Cubs management really think they fooling anyone with their constant stream of "he's (Prior) healthy we're just taking it slowly" rhetoric?

 

Count me among those who don't understand why this concept is so difficult to grasp.

 

If I'm Jim Hendry I'd go into next offseason with the premise that Prior, because of injury history, is a non-factor. I'd build a rotation without him or Wood for that matter. In fact, after this season I believe Wood is done as Cub, unless he's willing to take a tremendous paycut with an incentive laden contract.

 

I'll part ways here. I don't want Hendry in a position to make any Cub related decisions next offseason.

[Bgbird68]

Healthy pitchers pitch. Those who are throwing with towels instead of pitching, or engaged in other rehab-type activites *instead* of pitching, are injured.

 

That's just simple logic.

 

Bingo!! It was just a matter of time before whatever was ailing Prior was revealed. Did Cubs management really think they fooling anyone with their constant stream of "he's (Prior) healthy we're just taking it slowly" rhetoric?

 

If I'm Jim Hendry I'd go into next offseason with the premise that Prior, because of injury history, is a non-factor. I'd build a rotation without him or Wood for that matter. In fact, after this season I believe Wood is done as Cub, unless he's willing to take a tremendous paycut with an incentive laden contract.

 

Thank you !!! I don't get the obstacles involved with accepting this concept.

[wade]

Maybe this is in another thread, but Carroll has a couple of quotes in the Tribune today.

 

story here

[K-Town]

This has to frustrate the heck out of Cub fan. Shoot........ I'm frustrated about it, and I'm a Cardinals fan. I like watching Prior pitch. It's a shame that he's not.

[goonys evil twin]

not sure if this has been covered here yet or not, but doesn't Priors deal show this has not been some elaborate scheme to lie about or cover up an injury.

 

that deal is not the deal two parties make when one or both knows the player is injured.

 

 

I don't see how that deal shows anything.

 

I don't think there was a huge conspiracy to cover up an injury. I just think they are an dishonest and partially inept organization that can't handle the situation. Prior obviously wasn't 100% this spring. My guess is they thought he could work through it without there being a problem. But he clearly wasn't 100%. It doesn't have to be a huge elaborate plan to hide the nature of his injury until after tickets were sold or anything. He was not 100% and they didn't want to talk about it. Now they are forced to.

[nick23]

Maybe this is in another thread, but Carroll has a couple of quotes in the Tribune today.

 

story here

 

To me, this basically confirms in my mind that the cubs were lying all along.

[wade]

Maybe this is in another thread, but Carroll has a couple of quotes in the Tribune today.

 

story here

 

To me, this basically confirms in my mind that the cubs were lying all along.

 

I guess the other angle is Prior knew he was hurt and asked them not to make a big deal out of it hoping it would get better as spring training went on. Or, he knew he was hurt and didn't tell the Cubs, again hoping it would just get better.

[jjgman21]

not sure if this has been covered here yet or not, but doesn't Priors deal show this has not been some elaborate scheme to lie about or cover up an injury.

 

that deal is not the deal two parties make when one or both knows the player is injured.

 

 

I don't see how that deal shows anything.

 

I don't think there was a huge conspiracy to cover up an injury. I just think they are an dishonest and partially inept organization that can't handle the situation. Prior obviously wasn't 100% this spring. My guess is they thought he could work through it without there being a problem. But he clearly wasn't 100%. It doesn't have to be a huge elaborate plan to hide the nature of his injury until after tickets were sold or anything. He was not 100% and they didn't want to talk about it. Now they are forced to.

 

many are saying the Cubs are an organization that is so money grabbing that they would be dishonest in order to sell more tickets. it just seems to me that if a money grabbing organization knew or even thought an asset would not perform at 100%, it would not value that asset in an amount so similar to the value the asset places on itself, nor would it so readily settle for the middle ground.

 

furthermore, a money grabbing baseball organization realizes that the real money comes from ad revenue, and ad revenue depends on viewership, and viewership depends on performance on the field. some money comes from tickets and concession, but not nearly as much from broadcasting. tickets and concession depend on expectations of performance on the field, hence the theory that the Cubs lie to increase ticket sales. so what would a money grabbing organization do if they knew one of their assets wouldn't perform at 100%

 

a. look at the short term gain and lie about it in order to increase a minor area of revenue; or

b. look at the long term gain and enter tough negotiations with the asset, or possibly even severe its relationship with the asset (perhaps in exchange for another team's problem asset, for instance the Baltimore organization) in order to maximize long term revenue?

[Blueheart05]

not sure if this has been covered here yet or not, but doesn't Priors deal show this has not been some elaborate scheme to lie about or cover up an injury.

 

that deal is not the deal two parties make when one or both knows the player is injured.

 

 

I don't see how that deal shows anything.

 

I don't think there was a huge conspiracy to cover up an injury. I just think they are an dishonest and partially inept organization that can't handle the situation. Prior obviously wasn't 100% this spring. My guess is they thought he could work through it without there being a problem. But he clearly wasn't 100%. It doesn't have to be a huge elaborate plan to hide the nature of his injury until after tickets were sold or anything. He was not 100% and they didn't want to talk about it. Now they are forced to.

 

The Cubs never claimed he was 100%. I'm sure they attributed Prior's issues to his offseason illness (which can be proven since Prior volunteered that he went to the ER in San Diego). Rothschild probably deduced that any soreness leading up to being shutdown was both due to his lack of offseason conditioning and the normal rigors of getting the body inshape to play. I don't see a failure to disclose every bump and bruise as a lie. No one even noticed when Maddux was held back from his first scheduled Spring start (granted he's older but he also, reportedly, had a trainer in the offseason to get him ready for Spring, and beyond, so one would assume he would have no setbacks).

 

Part of me still thinks this is nothing major. Hopefully. that's the case.

[wade]

Just a couple of days ago Baker was saying "there's nothing wrong with him, nothing, nothing, NOTHING!!!"

 

How is that not the Cubs saying he was 100%?

 

This is just of memory, so I may be wrong.

[goonys evil twin]

many are saying the Cubs are an organization that is so money grabbing that they would be dishonest in order to sell more tickets. it just seems to me that if a money grabbing organization knew or even thought an asset would not perform at 100%, it would not value that asset in an amount so similar to the value the asset places on itself, nor would it so readily settle for the middle ground.

 

They had no choice. It was either pay him or let him walk.

 

5 months of Prior can still be worth the money. A banged up less than 100% Prior can still be worth the money. His contract doesn't prove they must have thought he was 100%.

[goonys evil twin]

No one even noticed when Maddux was held back from his first scheduled Spring start (granted he's older but he also, reportedly, had a trainer in the offseason to get him ready for Spring, and beyond, so one would assume he would have no setbacks).

 

Yes they did, and they tried to use that as evidence that what they were doing with Prior was perfectly normal. Only, Maddux started a couple days later.

 

Prior was not 100%, and it wasn't just health. Arm issues were holding him back, and it wasn't just stretching out after being sick in December. It was mid-March, a full month after others started pitching, and they still didn't know when he would get into a game. That does not happen without physical problems, yet the Cubs maintain he had no physical problems all spring. The secretive nature of how he threw, the non-existent schedule that kept Game 2 as the endpoint despite not knowing when he could get to certain goals (mound, hitters, simulated games, games). It's not an outright conspiracy, it's just a combination of incompetence and dishonesty, two things that have defined this organization and it's management team.

[jjgman21]

many are saying the Cubs are an organization that is so money grabbing that they would be dishonest in order to sell more tickets. it just seems to me that if a money grabbing organization knew or even thought an asset would not perform at 100%, it would not value that asset in an amount so similar to the value the asset places on itself, nor would it so readily settle for the middle ground.

 

They had no choice. It was either pay him or let him walk.

 

5 months of Prior can still be worth the money. A banged up less than 100% Prior can still be worth the money. His contract doesn't prove they must have thought he was 100%.

 

knowing Prior was hurt, they had no choice but to make an offer very similar to that of Prior, then to meet right in the middle, and throw in some incentives?

 

or, since they allegedly knew he was injured, they could have

 

a. lowballed him, taken him to arbitration with his injury history and current injury, and probably won

 

or

 

b. trade him for Tejada, as was widely reported as an offer made by Baltimore and dismissed by the Cubs.

 

which would a money grabbing organzation do?

[Laura]

Paul Sullivan in The Trib[/url]"]Cubs pitcher Mark Prior was diagnosed with a strain in his right shoulder after an exam by Dr. Lewis Yocum, the Cubs said Thursday.

 

Prior delayed his MRI exam until later in the day, but the Cubs were optimistic that no damage was found in the shoulder during the physical exam.

 

Prior is unlikely to start the season in the rotation and the Cubs will meet with Yocum on Saturday on how to proceed with Prior's rehab.

 

I'm not sure what this ultimately means. It's better than bad news, I guess.

[David]

Diagnosis - "shoulder strain"

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060316cubsprior,1,1714537.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

MESA, Ariz. -- Cubs pitcher Mark Prior was diagnosed with a strain in his right shoulder after an exam by Dr. Lewis Yocum, the Cubs said Thursday.

 

...the Cubs were optimistic that no damage was found in the shoulder during the physical exam.

 

Prior is unlikely to start the season in the rotation and the Cubs will meet with Yocum on Saturday on how to proceed with Prior's rehab.

[David]

Paul Sullivan in The Trib[/url]"]Cubs pitcher Mark Prior was diagnosed with a strain in his right shoulder after an exam by Dr. Lewis Yocum, the Cubs said Thursday.

 

Prior delayed his MRI exam until later in the day, but the Cubs were optimistic that no damage was found in the shoulder during the physical exam.

 

Prior is unlikely to start the season in the rotation and the Cubs will meet with Yocum on Saturday on how to proceed with Prior's rehab.

 

I'm not sure what this ultimately means. It's better than bad news, I guess.

 

Hey, no quoting entire articles! :wink:

 

See, that's why I got rid of like 4 words in mine. :lol:

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Thank you Baseball God. O Merciful one, I thank thee.

[wade]

Paul Sullivan in The Trib[/url]"]Cubs pitcher Mark Prior was diagnosed with a strain in his right shoulder after an exam by Dr. Lewis Yocum, the Cubs said Thursday.

 

Prior delayed his MRI exam until later in the day, but the Cubs were optimistic that no damage was found in the shoulder during the physical exam.

 

Prior is unlikely to start the season in the rotation and the Cubs will meet with Yocum on Saturday on how to proceed with Prior's rehab.

 

I'm not sure what this ultimately means. It's better than bad news, I guess.

 

As far as what it means, I think it's the best news that could have possibly come out. I.E., he's hurt, but it's not structurally damaged.

 

Hopefully as long as all the tendons and muscles are still attatched he see significant action this year.

[Andy]

Good news. I expect Prior to probably miss his first 2 or 3 starts, but we'll be OK I think.

[USSoccer]

So..in other words, Prior is hypersensitive to pain.

[Chocolate Milk]

Phew.

[Blueheart05]

So..in other words, Prior is hypersensitive to pain.

 

My thoughts exactly...

[daske17]

So..in other words, Prior is hypersensitive to pain.

 

If that's the case, can you imagine the calamity in the Prior household if he stubs his toe or gets a hangnail?

[Laura]

As far as what it means, I think it's the best news that could have possibly come out. I.E., he's hurt, but it's not structurally damaged.

 

Hopefully as long as all the tendons and muscles are still attatched he see significant action this year.

 

That sounds good. I'm a little surprised that Yocum can definitely tell that without an MRI, but he's obviously the expert and I'm not.

 

I'll get cranky if this diagnosis changes for the worse.

[fulldeck]

How can they know for sure if they haven't done/read the MRI yet? This doesn't make any sense.