NSBB 2006 NCAA Mock Selection Committee

[SouthSideRyan]

It wasn't like Syracuse was 1-0 against UConn, it was their 3rd try against them. I'd give No. Iowa an even money chance at 1 win if they had 3 tries against UConn. I feel like Sully over the past week or so when people continue to crap on the Valley saying all they do is beat up on each other to earn high RPIs. I can't imagine the uproar if Bradley went into Depaul and lost to them by 39.(Bradley beat them on the road by 15 before Bradley got hot)

 

I absolutely cannot wait for a couple Valley or CAA(Who I think is overrated) wins in the tourney, and I hope Gary Williams (We'll schedule 3 neutral games against Missouri St. next year then, ((Yeah and you'll lose all 3))) is watching and I hope Jim Nantz is on the call. If you're going to worship at the throne of the RPI for the past 20 years, don't turn your back on it when for once it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. What the hell is the point of having these systems if you're just going to throw it out when it doesn't match what you already thought. Just because the school's name sounds different and hasn't been to a lot of tourneys before doesn't mean they don't belong. People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga 8 years ago, I just hope it doesn't take the legit teams from the Valley another 8 years to gain any sort of acceptance.

 

People bitch and moan about these teams not playing anybody. They're not playing anybody because nobody wants to play them!! The coachs like Williams can say whatever they want about them knowing they're better than those teams. They flat out don't know that and that's why they won't play them in anything but a home game, and even those are rare. Cause what happens if one of those Valley teams that "doesn't play anybody" got the chance to "play somebody" What happens if they won?? Then your little cult of big time coaches are gonna see one of their guaranteed payoffs in a tourney slot get taken away by a small school and we certainly can't have that. So you migh as well keep scheduling Elon for home and homes, you know they don't stand a chance, and if they manage to pull off a miracle, hey it was just a fluke anyways, we all know those little schools can't hang. When's the last time Missouri St. won anything?

 

EDIT: Move to rants if you deem necessary moderators, I don't know if this really counts as on topic. Wasn't supposed to be more than a 2 sentence reply.

[RynoRules]

It wasn't like Syracuse was 1-0 against UConn, it was their 3rd try against them. I'd give No. Iowa an even money chance at 1 win if they had 3 tries against UConn. I feel like Sully over the past week or so when people continue to crap on the Valley saying all they do is beat up on each other to earn high RPIs. I can't imagine the uproar if Bradley went into Depaul and lost to them by 39.(Bradley beat them on the road by 15 before Bradley got hot)

 

I absolutely cannot wait for a couple Valley or CAA(Who I think is overrated) wins in the tourney, and I hope Gary Williams (We'll schedule 3 neutral games against Missouri St. next year then, ((Yeah and you'll lose all 3))) is watching and I hope Jim Nantz is on the call. If you're going to worship at the throne of the RPI for the past 20 years, don't turn your back on it when for once it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. What the hell is the point of having these systems if you're just going to throw it out when it doesn't match what you already thought. Just because the school's name sounds different and hasn't been to a lot of tourneys before doesn't mean they don't belong. People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga 8 years ago, I just hope it doesn't take the legit teams from the Valley another 8 years to gain any sort of acceptance.

 

People bitch and moan about these teams not playing anybody. They're not playing anybody because nobody wants to play them!! The coachs like Williams can say whatever they want about them knowing they're better than those teams. They flat out don't know that and that's why they won't play them in anything but a home game, and even those are rare. Cause what happens if one of those Valley teams that "doesn't play anybody" got the chance to "play somebody" What happens if they won?? Then your little cult of big time coaches are gonna see one of their guaranteed payoffs in a tourney slot get taken away by a small school and we certainly can't have that. So you migh as well keep scheduling Elon for home and homes, you know they don't stand a chance, and if they manage to pull off a miracle, hey it was just a fluke anyways, we all know those little schools can't hang. When's the last time Missouri St. won anything?

 

EDIT: Move to rants if you deem necessary moderators, I don't know if this really counts as on topic. Wasn't supposed to be more than a 2 sentence reply.

 

Dude, chill. I wasn't intending to "crap" on the MVC. I think they are great. I was making a case that Cuse is as deserving as any of the NSBB bubble teams, and, specifically, more derserving than No. Iowa.

 

I don't know why you felt the need to use the pronouns bolded above. I wasn't addressing the MVC as a conference.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It wasn't like Syracuse was 1-0 against UConn, it was their 3rd try against them. I'd give No. Iowa an even money chance at 1 win if they had 3 tries against UConn. I feel like Sully over the past week or so when people continue to crap on the Valley saying all they do is beat up on each other to earn high RPIs. I can't imagine the uproar if Bradley went into Depaul and lost to them by 39.(Bradley beat them on the road by 15 before Bradley got hot)

 

I absolutely cannot wait for a couple Valley or CAA(Who I think is overrated) wins in the tourney, and I hope Gary Williams (We'll schedule 3 neutral games against Missouri St. next year then, ((Yeah and you'll lose all 3))) is watching and I hope Jim Nantz is on the call. If you're going to worship at the throne of the RPI for the past 20 years, don't turn your back on it when for once it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. What the hell is the point of having these systems if you're just going to throw it out when it doesn't match what you already thought. Just because the school's name sounds different and hasn't been to a lot of tourneys before doesn't mean they don't belong. People were saying the same thing about Gonzaga 8 years ago, I just hope it doesn't take the legit teams from the Valley another 8 years to gain any sort of acceptance.

 

People bitch and moan about these teams not playing anybody. They're not playing anybody because nobody wants to play them!! The coachs like Williams can say whatever they want about them knowing they're better than those teams. They flat out don't know that and that's why they won't play them in anything but a home game, and even those are rare. Cause what happens if one of those Valley teams that "doesn't play anybody" got the chance to "play somebody" What happens if they won?? Then your little cult of big time coaches are gonna see one of their guaranteed payoffs in a tourney slot get taken away by a small school and we certainly can't have that. So you migh as well keep scheduling Elon for home and homes, you know they don't stand a chance, and if they manage to pull off a miracle, hey it was just a fluke anyways, we all know those little schools can't hang. When's the last time Missouri St. won anything?

 

EDIT: Move to rants if you deem necessary moderators, I don't know if this really counts as on topic. Wasn't supposed to be more than a 2 sentence reply.

 

Dude, chill. I wasn't intending to "crap" on the MVC. I think they are great. I was making a case that Cuse is as deserving as any of the NSBB bubble teams, and, specifically, more derserving than No. Iowa.

 

I don't know why you felt the need to use the pronouns bolded above. I wasn't addressing the MVC as a conference.

 

Looked to me like he was referring to the aforementioned Williams, Nance, other media people, etc. with the pronouns.

[RynoRules]

 

Northern Iowa beat Iowa(#14 and just beat #15), at LSU(#10), and Bucknell(#44) all outside their conference that has 4 other top 50 RPI teams.

 

That's nice - really. But how is any of that comparable to beating UConn, the "cheese" between "sandwich" wins over Cinci and G-Town?

 

I like Bucknell, but lets not compare them with Cinci or G-Town, nevermind UConn. The Big East was arguably the toughest conference in basketabll this year, and if it wasn't, it was no. 2. Cuse is getting ready to go for "four-in-four" against most of the top 5 in the league, sans Nova. Too impressive to ignore, IMO.

 

Sorry, I can't lend more credence to the wins just because they came on consecutive days. It's also very important that both UNI and Syracuse hosted Bucknell, with UNI winning and Syracuse losing. I don't really see how Bucknell is worse than Cincinnati, and UConn/Georgetown(3/38 RPI) is pretty comparable to LSU(beating Florida right now)/Iowa(10/14 RPI).

 

I completely disagree that Bucknell is on par with Cinci, or that beating Iowa or LSU is on par with beating UConn (at any time / place). We'll have to agree to disagree here, I think.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Northern Iowa beat Iowa(#14 and just beat #15), at LSU(#10), and Bucknell(#44) all outside their conference that has 4 other top 50 RPI teams.

 

That's nice - really. But how is any of that comparable to beating UConn, the "cheese" between "sandwich" wins over Cinci and G-Town?

 

I like Bucknell, but lets not compare them with Cinci or G-Town, nevermind UConn. The Big East was arguably the toughest conference in basketabll this year, and if it wasn't, it was no. 2. Cuse is getting ready to go for "four-in-four" against most of the top 5 in the league, sans Nova. Too impressive to ignore, IMO.

 

Sorry, I can't lend more credence to the wins just because they came on consecutive days. It's also very important that both UNI and Syracuse hosted Bucknell, with UNI winning and Syracuse losing. I don't really see how Bucknell is worse than Cincinnati, and UConn/Georgetown(3/38 RPI) is pretty comparable to LSU(beating Florida right now)/Iowa(10/14 RPI).

 

I completely disagree that Bucknell is on par with Cinci, or that beating Iowa or LSU is on par with beating UConn (at any time / place). We'll have to agree to disagree here, I think.

 

I guess we'll have to disagree, but to clarify, I said that the combination of Iowa/@LSU was on par with UConn/Georgetown(both on neutral with closer home proximity).

[CuseCubFan69]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

 

That's unfair. No one's expecting Northern Iowa or Bradley to go to the final four, the same way no one's expecting Seton Hall or Cincinnati to go to the final four.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

 

That's unfair. No one's expecting Northern Iowa or Bradley to go to the final four, the same way no one's expecting Seton Hall or Cincinnati to go to the final four.

 

I think any team that is asked to be an at-large team should be able to win it all. Also, you weighted the top of the conferences the same so what I'm saying is if the Missouri Valley is as strong as the BE or any other major conference then they should send one of their teams to the Final Four but history has shown they haven't since the 60's. Once they prove they can start to put teams in the final 4 then I'll respect them and say they are worthy of 4 or 5 teams. Let me add that almost every team in the Big East has been in the Final 4 since 1985.

[SouthSideRyan]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

 

That's unfair. No one's expecting Northern Iowa or Bradley to go to the final four, the same way no one's expecting Seton Hall or Cincinnati to go to the final four.

 

I think any team that is asked to be an at-large team should be able to win it all. Also, you weighted the top of the conferences the same so what I'm saying is if the Missouri Valley is as strong as the BE or any other major conference then they should send one of their teams to the Final Four but history has shown they haven't since the 60's. Once they prove they can start to put teams in the final 4 then I'll respect them and say they are worthy of 4 or 5 teams. Let me add that almost every team in the Big East has been in the Final 4 since 1985.

 

No one said the MVC was as strong as the Big East. Past success of the conference is next to irrelevant in deciding the field. Any team that's an at large could win it all, but no one's expecting most of them to advance very far. That goes for Northern Iowa, George Mason, Cincinnati, Indiana, whoever. The point is that these top teams in the MVC, CAA, etc. have as good or better tournament resumes than the middle of the pack power conference teams, and shouldn't be ignored because the only ESPN coverage they get is in Bracket Busters.

[bukie]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

 

Let's see...Marquette made it 3 years ago as a member of Conference USA. Maybe that doesn't count.

 

Kent State made the Elite Eight in 2002. Gonzaga made it in 2000. Indiana State made the final game back in 1979, too, if the Elite Eight isn't far enough to be considered "far".

 

Not letting teams get in unless they've "been there before" is quite the catch-22.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

 

That's unfair. No one's expecting Northern Iowa or Bradley to go to the final four, the same way no one's expecting Seton Hall or Cincinnati to go to the final four.

 

I think any team that is asked to be an at-large team should be able to win it all. Also, you weighted the top of the conferences the same so what I'm saying is if the Missouri Valley is as strong as the BE or any other major conference then they should send one of their teams to the Final Four but history has shown they haven't since the 60's. Once they prove they can start to put teams in the final 4 then I'll respect them and say they are worthy of 4 or 5 teams. Let me add that almost every team in the Big East has been in the Final 4 since 1985.

 

No one said the MVC was as strong as the Big East. Past success of the conference is next to irrelevant in deciding the field. Any team that's an at large could win it all, but no one's expecting most of them to advance very far. That goes for Northern Iowa, George Mason, Cincinnati, Indiana, whoever. The point is that these top teams in the MVC, CAA, etc. have as good or better tournament resumes than the middle of the pack power conference teams, and shouldn't be ignored because the only ESPN coverage they get is in Bracket Busters.

 

I do not deny that they are good teams but they would be at best a Cincinnati or S Hall and the top of the major conferences are what makes it so tough for the Cinci or Halls to make it while the Mid-Major don't have to play the top teams like a Illinois, Ohio St, UConn, Duke and NC in their conference.

 

I think the past has a lot to do with it. These teams (MM) have to prove they belong and winning and getting to the sweet 16 seems to be all they get to and they get a ton of credit for doing so. If they really want to be compared with the bigger name conferences they have to win and go to the elite 8 or final 4. They get a chance to prove they are as good unlike football where the good ole boys take charge.

[bukie]

I think the past has a lot to do with it. These teams (MM) have to prove they belong and winning and getting to the sweet 16 seems to be all they get to and they get a ton of credit for doing so. If they really want to be compared with the bigger name conferences they have to win and go to the elite 8 or final 4. They get a chance to prove they are as good unlike football where the good ole boys take charge.

 

That's simply not true if they don't get an equal shot. These conferences generally get the tournament winner and maybe 1 other teams (2 in a fantastic year). Compare that to 6-7 bids for power conferences, and the teams from outside the "Big 6" never really get the same chance as those from inside the "Big 6". There's no reason a team should go 7-9 in conference and get in over a team with better statistics across the board just because they are in the Big East or Big Ten. That IS the "good ole boys" taking charge.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well let's see how the great Missouri Conference does in the NCAA's then. I think it's been awhile since one of them have won a NCAA Championship or been to the final 4. The good thing about this is that computers or voters don't play the games so let them prove it on the court.

 

That's unfair. No one's expecting Northern Iowa or Bradley to go to the final four, the same way no one's expecting Seton Hall or Cincinnati to go to the final four.

 

I think any team that is asked to be an at-large team should be able to win it all. Also, you weighted the top of the conferences the same so what I'm saying is if the Missouri Valley is as strong as the BE or any other major conference then they should send one of their teams to the Final Four but history has shown they haven't since the 60's. Once they prove they can start to put teams in the final 4 then I'll respect them and say they are worthy of 4 or 5 teams. Let me add that almost every team in the Big East has been in the Final 4 since 1985.

 

No one said the MVC was as strong as the Big East. Past success of the conference is next to irrelevant in deciding the field. Any team that's an at large could win it all, but no one's expecting most of them to advance very far. That goes for Northern Iowa, George Mason, Cincinnati, Indiana, whoever. The point is that these top teams in the MVC, CAA, etc. have as good or better tournament resumes than the middle of the pack power conference teams, and shouldn't be ignored because the only ESPN coverage they get is in Bracket Busters.

 

I do not deny that they are good teams but they would be at best a Cincinnati or S Hall and the top of the major conferences are what makes it so tough for the Cinci or Halls to make it while the Mid-Major don't have to play the top teams like a Illinois, Ohio St, UConn, Duke and NC in their conference.

 

I think the past has a lot to do with it. These teams (MM) have to prove they belong and winning and getting to the sweet 16 seems to be all they get to and they get a ton of credit for doing so. If they really want to be compared with the bigger name conferences they have to win and go to the elite 8 or final 4. They get a chance to prove they are as good unlike football where the good ole boys take charge.

 

This isn't like Football where the small conference schools don't play anyone. Northern Iowa beat Iowa and LSU. Bucknell beat Syracuse, DePaul, and lost to Villanova. Who's to say they wouldn't have finished similar to Georgetown or Marquette if they had played their schedule? Like SSR brought up, big schools don't want to play the good mid-major teams in a lot of cases.

 

I really don't understand how small-conference schools have to prove they belong any more than the 7th or 8th place team in the Big Ten, ACC, or the Big East. To piggy-back what Bukie said, erring on the side of "who's been there before" is a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes it nearly impossible for these teams to crack the cycle

[CuseCubFan69]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

 

Let's see...Marquette made it 3 years ago as a member of Conference USA. Maybe that doesn't count.

 

Kent State made the Elite Eight in 2002. Gonzaga made it in 2000. Indiana State made the final game back in 1979, too, if the Elite Eight isn't far enough to be considered "far".

 

Not letting teams get in unless they've "been there before" is quite the catch-22.

 

I don't consider Conference USA as Mid-Major when it comes to basketball and I don't consider the Elite 8 the Final 4 as I stated. You are right about Indiana St and they had to go back to 79 which is 27 years ago.

 

The top teams have been in and haven't gone far so why let the middle teams go to the 65?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

 

Let's see...Marquette made it 3 years ago as a member of Conference USA. Maybe that doesn't count.

 

Kent State made the Elite Eight in 2002. Gonzaga made it in 2000. Indiana State made the final game back in 1979, too, if the Elite Eight isn't far enough to be considered "far".

 

Not letting teams get in unless they've "been there before" is quite the catch-22.

 

I don't consider Conference USA as Mid-Major when it comes to basketball and I don't consider the Elite 8 the Final 4 as I stated. You are right about Indiana St and they had to go back to 79 which is 27 years ago.

 

The top teams have been in and haven't gone far so why let the middle teams go to the 65?

 

When was the last time the 7th and 8th place team in a power conference made the final 4? The idea that they haven't been very good in previous years, so they should be precluded this year is ridiculous.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

 

Let's see...Marquette made it 3 years ago as a member of Conference USA. Maybe that doesn't count.

 

Kent State made the Elite Eight in 2002. Gonzaga made it in 2000. Indiana State made the final game back in 1979, too, if the Elite Eight isn't far enough to be considered "far".

 

Not letting teams get in unless they've "been there before" is quite the catch-22.

 

I don't consider Conference USA as Mid-Major when it comes to basketball and I don't consider the Elite 8 the Final 4 as I stated. You are right about Indiana St and they had to go back to 79 which is 27 years ago.

 

The top teams have been in and haven't gone far so why let the middle teams go to the 65?

 

When was the last time the 7th and 8th place team in a power conference made the final 4? The idea that they haven't been very good in previous years, so they should be precluded this year is ridiculous.

 

The difference is that the 7th or 8th place teams have proven they could go to the final 4 in other years while MM's have none of theirs go.

[bukie]

The difference is that the 7th or 8th place teams have proven they could go to the final 4 in other years while MM's have none of theirs go.

 

Other years? With completely different players, and perhaps different coaches? Other years have no bearing on tournament placement, and rightly shouldn't.

[TruffleShuffle]

Put in Holy Cross as an at-large... in the NIT, I mean.

[bukie]

Notes for selections: Xavier ended up winning the Atlantic 10, and Hampton won the NEC.

[RynoRules]

 

Sorry, I can't lend more credence to the wins just because they came on consecutive days. It's also very important that both UNI and Syracuse hosted Bucknell, with UNI winning and Syracuse losing. I don't really see how Bucknell is worse than Cincinnati, and UConn/Georgetown(3/38 RPI) is pretty comparable to LSU(beating Florida right now)/Iowa(10/14 RPI).

 

Just to clarify - LSU got spanked by FL in the end.

 

And Cuse won the Big East. Accordingly, they beat four straight teams ranked in the Top in the RPI, specifically nos. 3, 7, 38 and 41.

 

Who cares if they did it in four days or fourteen. Highly impressive, IMO.

[Mark_R]

Bukie, with Xavier winning the tourney, are we to assume St. Joe's is out? (Like I think...)

[stitchface]

Bukie, with Xavier winning the tourney, are we to assume St. Joe's is out? (Like I think...)

 

There should be a one in one out rule for conferences who give their tourney winner a free pass.

[bukie]

Bukie, with Xavier winning the tourney, are we to assume St. Joe's is out? (Like I think...)

 

Yes. Same with Delaware State out, Hampton in.