Bruce Miles Article on Cedeno

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Good article about Ronny by our favorite Cubs beat writer.

 

Cedeno is among the first to arrive each morning and one of the last to leave.

 

“That’s what you have to do,” he said. “I have to work hard and stay focused with what I do on the field. I’m trying to get better every day. That’s what I do when I come to the field every day and sit at my locker and just think about making the team.”

 

Cedeno wears the same determined look every day as fellow youngster Matt Murton, who’s expected to start in left field on Opening Day.

 

 

Link.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Our kids have great attitudes.

[Soul]

Sounds good. Now go out and prove it young man.

[Bruce Miles]

Good article about Ronny by our favorite Cubs beat writer.

 

Cedeno is among the first to arrive each morning and one of the last to leave.

 

“That’s what you have to do,” he said. “I have to work hard and stay focused with what I do on the field. I’m trying to get better every day. That’s what I do when I come to the field every day and sit at my locker and just think about making the team.”

 

Cedeno wears the same determined look every day as fellow youngster Matt Murton, who’s expected to start in left field on Opening Day.

 

 

Link.

 

Thanks for the plugs, Vance. Overall, this camp is the most businesslike one I've seen in a few years. I know it's very early, but there is a quiet confidence building here. Now, as Soul says, they have to go out and do it when it counts.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Thanks for the great articles, Bruce. I'm still holding out hope for a Cedeno-Walker middle infield on Opening Day!

[TB_11]

Great article Bruce :D

[da bears]

Good article. It's nice to see the attitudes that both Murton and Cedano have. With attitudes like that, it makes it very easy to cheer for both of them.

[Soul]

How's the weather down there?

 

I'm really starting to feel the winter blues (usually happens this time of year) :(

[Coach C]

Good article indeed. :)

[snoodmonger]

Good article about Ronny by our favorite Cubs beat writer.

 

Cedeno is among the first to arrive each morning and one of the last to leave.

 

“That’s what you have to do,” he said. “I have to work hard and stay focused with what I do on the field. I’m trying to get better every day. That’s what I do when I come to the field every day and sit at my locker and just think about making the team.”

 

Cedeno wears the same determined look every day as fellow youngster Matt Murton, who’s expected to start in left field on Opening Day.

 

 

Link.

 

Thanks for the plugs, Vance. Overall, this camp is the most businesslike one I've seen in a few years. I know it's very early, but there is a quiet confidence building here. Now, as Soul says, they have to go out and do it when it counts.

 

Stop it. You're going to ruin my pessimism.

[rawaction]

Good article about Ronny by our favorite Cubs beat writer.

 

Cedeno is among the first to arrive each morning and one of the last to leave.

 

“That’s what you have to do,” he said. “I have to work hard and stay focused with what I do on the field. I’m trying to get better every day. That’s what I do when I come to the field every day and sit at my locker and just think about making the team.”

 

Cedeno wears the same determined look every day as fellow youngster Matt Murton, who’s expected to start in left field on Opening Day.

 

 

Link.

 

Thanks for the plugs, Vance. Overall, this camp is the most businesslike one I've seen in a few years. I know it's very early, but there is a quiet confidence building here. Now, as Soul says, they have to go out and do it when it counts.

 

Just speculating, but I think everyone finally knows their roles. No more trying to make someone that's not capable be a top of the order hitter. No more primadonna star players taking all the headlines. Dusty has basically kept his mouth closed and has given in to playing the kids. I think with the uncertainty surrounding this team after October (Baker, Wood, Maddux, Lee, Ramirez, Pierre, Walker, could all be gone)....they know that it's now or never for this current group of guys.

[CubDad4Ever]

I dont think its a matter of giving in to the kids. Dusty finally has some young players that deserve to play. Dubois stunk , Hill crashed and burned. SF did not have a great load of positonal players either. I think the Dusty hates kids thing is way overrated. I again think it is the gms job to shape the roster. I like the makings of what the cubs have, of course its dependent on the top pitchers staying healthy. Even though i read every article i can daily. Thanks for the link Vance. One of the things i most appreciate about the board, is the plethora of info from different sources provided here. Have a great day. Coach L

[rocket]

I know Dubois ended up stinking, but what was it exactly about Dubois' awesome AAA season or his awesome spring training that made you think Dubois didn't deserve to play in 2005?

[CubDad4Ever]

Dubois was a player whose triple a numbers , when age related were not that spectacular. At the big league level he was a one trick pony, who whiffed and stunk on defense. I love young players my brother who is a fan thought i was a rookie apologist for a long time. But they have had crappy positional prospects for a while. I too want Murton and Cedeno to light it up. It would help the cubs on many levels. Thanks and lets hope it happens. Coach L

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I know Dubois ended up stinking, but what was it exactly about Dubois' awesome AAA season or his awesome spring training that made you think Dubois didn't deserve to play in 2005?

 

He also had solid to great numbers at every level of the minors. I didn't hear the scouts showing him a lot of love despite the numbers, but I still didn't expect the first season flop.

[UBlink]

Just speculating, but I think everyone finally knows their roles. No more trying to make someone that's not capable be a top of the order hitter. No more primadonna star players taking all the headlines. Dusty has basically kept his mouth closed and has given in to playing the kids. I think with the uncertainty surrounding this team after October (Baker, Wood, Maddux, Lee, Ramirez, Pierre, Walker, could all be gone)....they know that it's now or never for this current group of guys.

 

Agreed, and now that the off-season of pessimism is over, I find myself falling into my spring training role of boundless optimism. Until reality sets in I'm convinced that all the injuries are healed, the rehabs are ahead of schedule, the kids are ready, only those players with off years last year will regress to the mean and life is glorious. I'm a few hundred miles south of Chicago and it's spring outside.

 

I'm pretty sure I like baseball, and my role in it.

[Andy]

I actually agree with CubDad. I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions. And Dubois, over his many different looks, never seemed to me to be anymore than Sosa with much less power. The kid couldn't hit an off-speed pitch to save his life. As worried as I am that Dusty won't play kids sometimes, I've honestly only been impressed with Murton and Cedeno out of the young prospects I've seen in recent years. (Patterson too, but we all know how that turned out.)

[goonys evil twin]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

[Andy]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

Not to pronounce their careers over, but it worked pretty well for Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Jason Dubois, none of whom did anything worth writing home about in their big league auditions and all of whom are now gone and not having much impact on their new teams.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

Not to pronounce their careers over, but it worked pretty well for Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Jason Dubois, none of whom did anything worth writing home about in their big league auditions and all of whom are now gone and not having much impact on their new teams.

 

I don't know what else to say other than that ignoring a much larger sample in lieu of a small amount of playing time under wildly varying circumstances is very foolish.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

Not to pronounce their careers over, but it worked pretty well for Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Jason Dubois, none of whom did anything worth writing home about in their big league auditions and all of whom are now gone and not having much impact on their new teams.

 

I don't know what else to say other than that ignoring a much larger sample in lieu of a small amount of playing time under wildly varying circumstances is very foolish.

 

It may be a small sample size, but it's also the only true indicator of performance against that level of competition. AAA is very different from MLB. There are tons of AAAA players out there, who, just by looking at minor league numbers, you'd think are going to do very well in the bigs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

Not to pronounce their careers over, but it worked pretty well for Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Jason Dubois, none of whom did anything worth writing home about in their big league auditions and all of whom are now gone and not having much impact on their new teams.

 

I don't know what else to say other than that ignoring a much larger sample in lieu of a small amount of playing time under wildly varying circumstances is very foolish.

 

It may be a small sample size, but it's also the only true indicator of performance against that level of competition. AAA is very different from MLB. There are tons of AAAA players out there, who, just by looking at minor league numbers, you'd think are going to do very well in the bigs.

 

No one said anything about only looking at minor league numbers. He's the one who's ignoring part of it. For every Dubois there's a Bo Hart on the other side of the spectrum.

[goonys evil twin]

I rarely pay much attention to minor league numbers, I look at what the kids do in their big league auditions.

 

That is an extremely poor way of judging a prospect and his chances.

Not to pronounce their careers over, but it worked pretty well for Hee Seop Choi, Bobby Hill, and Jason Dubois, none of whom did anything worth writing home about in their big league auditions and all of whom are now gone and not having much impact on their new teams.

 

I don't know what else to say other than that ignoring a much larger sample in lieu of a small amount of playing time under wildly varying circumstances is very foolish.

 

It may be a small sample size, but it's also the only true indicator of performance against that level of competition. AAA is very different from MLB. There are tons of AAAA players out there, who, just by looking at minor league numbers, you'd think are going to do very well in the bigs.

 

Jeter's first exposure to the big leagues, .250 .294 .375

Arod's first year .204 .241 .204

Arod's second year .232 .264 .408

Mariano Rivera's first year 67 IP, 5.51 ERA

Jason Giambi, .256 .364 .398 (looked a lot like Choi)

 

It's foolish guys, really foolish. Otherwise you might have thought Cruz was going to be better than Maddux, or that Jerome Walton would have a better career than Jim Edmonds.

 

Minor league numbers matter.

[jjgman21]

 

Jeter's first exposure to the big leagues, .250 .294 .375

Arod's first year .204 .241 .204

Arod's second year .232 .264 .408

Mariano Rivera's first year 67 IP, 5.51 ERA

Jason Giambi, .256 .364 .398 (looked a lot like Choi)

 

It's foolish guys, really foolish. Otherwise you might have thought Cruz was going to be better than Maddux, or that Jerome Walton would have a better career than Jim Edmonds.

 

Minor league numbers matter.

 

Ryne Sandberg's first full year

635 AB, 271/312/372

 

should've followed Philly's lead and shipped that guy out while we had the chance.

[CubDad4Ever]

Minor league numbers matter, but age considerations and skills in other areas do to. Can a player bring other skills to offset a poor start. How highly rated he is also can by players time to prove themselves. Dubois stunk on defense and had poor plate discipline in the bigs. I watched Sandberg live as a rookie and despite his poor start you could see he could make hard contact to all fields, run like the wind. and field with range. Numbers count , but in the context of that individuals situation. Coach L.