Rumor - Murton for Soriano?

[CubfaninCA]

I was listening to 570 AM out of LA on the drive home and Lee Hacksaw Hamilton said there are rumors of a Murton for Soriano deal. Apparently, Frank Robinson & Sori will talk tomorrow about Sori playing LF. Sources say that Soriano will demand a trade if Robinson still wants him in LF.

 

I guess the lineup would be CF - Pierre, LF - Hairston, 1b - Lee, 3b - Ramirez, 2b - Soriano, Rf - Jones, C - Barrett & SS - Neifi.

 

I'm not too worried about Baker placing Jones & Soriano in the 2 spot. I think he'll want to use their power later in the order.

 

If this deal happens is there any LF the Cubs could trade Walker for??

[Butterscup1679666578]

Just when you thought our OF couldn't get any weaker...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How does an LA host scoop/know about a deal between D.C. and Chicago?

 

They might as well do this deal to make the team as unlikable as possible for me, cause then they'll win it all.

[CoolHandLuke]

I think I will officially boycott the season if that deal happens.

[Neuby]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

[rocket]

This is pretty stupid if true.

[CubfaninCA]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

 

Who would they deal to get Gonzo? What does AZ need?

[Illini Iceman]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

 

Who would they deal to get Gonzo? What does AZ need?

 

He means Juan Gonzalez. I don't see there as any way the Cubs do this. First of all they already have three second basemen, and secondly after Hendry spent all off season talking about how he wants better defense sticking Soriano at second would make no sense.

[JonnyRed]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

Guess which one of these lines is Soriano's 2005 away line, and which one is Neifi's 2005 line.

 

A) .274/.298/.383/.681

B) .224/.265/.374/.639

 

 

Hint: It's B

[Drew Doughty]

Murton for Soriano is bad because our OF is already bad and we have a pretty good 2B in Walker. I don't think we should really be trading from a position of weakness for a player that is a bit of a headcase and who isn't a particularly good player.

[CubfaninCA]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

 

Who would they deal to get Gonzo? What does AZ need?

 

He means Juan Gonzalez. I don't see there as any way the Cubs do this. First of all they already have three second basemen, and secondly after Hendry spent all off season talking about how he wants better defense sticking Soriano at second would make no sense.

 

Soriano's the type of player Hendry likes & the Cubs really need a 5 hitter w/ power. Supposedly, the Cubs have been looking to move Walker all offseason.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

Guess which one of these lines is Soriano's 2005 away line, and which one is Neifi's 2005 line.

 

A) .274/.298/.383/.681

B) .224/.265/.374/.639

 

 

Hint: It's B

 

This had better be like the Prior's shoulder is hurt rumor. i.e. absolute bs.

[Outshined_One]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

He wouldn't be replacing Murton; he'd be replacing Todd Walker. As mentioned in the above article, this would happen if Soriano doesn't want to play LF. Soriano wouldn't be much of a defensive upgrade at 2B as it is. Offensively, playing at Arlington inflated Soriano's numbers a considerable degree this past season, so I'm not totally sure how much you can take his power numbers into consideration. And when you look at his OBP and Ks compared to Walker, well, yeah.

 

This is a trade that would provide a marginal offensive upgrade and open a gaping hole in LF. At this point, the options for LF would be Mabry, Restovich (NRI), Grissom (NRI), and Hairston. Juan Gone could also be an option. If you think any of those guys are or could be better than Murton at this point, you're not going to find a lot of people who agree. Even if you trade Todd Walker for a LF, I don't think you'd find some one worth pulling the trigger on Soriano for Murton.

 

This is a move that would be a significant downgrade. I'd despise it.

[CubfaninCA]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

[SCCubbieFAN]

Can Walker play left? 8)

[Illini Iceman]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

 

Who would they deal to get Gonzo? What does AZ need?

 

He means Juan Gonzalez. I don't see there as any way the Cubs do this. First of all they already have three second basemen, and secondly after Hendry spent all off season talking about how he wants better defense sticking Soriano at second would make no sense.

 

Soriano's the type of player Hendry likes & the Cubs really need a 5 hitter w/ power. Supposedly, the Cubs have been looking to move Walker all offseason.

 

If it was Soriano for Walker I would believe it. Soriano for Murton does not solve Hendry's Walker "problem". If he could have traded him for a quality LF he would have done it already.

[Neuby]

Does Hendry view Gonzo and Soranio as an upgrade over Walker/Murton?

[Outshined_One]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

 

Unless he improves his BBs and Ks, we would have been better off keeping Corey Patterson. Considering that Tampa hasn't changed much despite having a new GM in terms of making impressive demands for their players, I'm sure they'd be asking for some ridiculous package.

[CubfaninCA]

Could this be why the Cubs where scouting Gonzo? To replace Murton?

 

Who would they deal to get Gonzo? What does AZ need?

 

He means Juan Gonzalez. I don't see there as any way the Cubs do this. First of all they already have three second basemen, and secondly after Hendry spent all off season talking about how he wants better defense sticking Soriano at second would make no sense.

 

Soriano's the type of player Hendry likes & the Cubs really need a 5 hitter w/ power. Supposedly, the Cubs have been looking to move Walker all offseason.

 

If it was Soriano for Walker I would believe it. Soriano for Murton does not solve Hendry's Walker "problem". If he could have traded him for a quality LF he would have done it already.

 

They already have a quality LF. Murton's just not a 5 hitter like Soriano.

 

My guess is they just dump Walker for prospects, if a Murton for Soriano deal happens.

[CubfaninCA]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

 

Unless he improves his BBs and Ks, we would have been better off keeping Corey Patterson. Considering that Tampa hasn't changed much despite having a new GM in terms of making impressive demands for their players, I'm sure they'd be asking for some ridiculous package.

 

??? Iirc Crawford's ops was 200 points better than CPatt last year. I do agree that TB would ask for something absurd.

[DeuceBaseman]

This isnt happening. But if it did, how bout Todd Walker and Rich Hill for Cliff Floyd? Put Jacque in Left. Lineup:

1) Pierre CF

2) Cedeno SS

3) Lee 1B

4) Ramirez 3B

5) Soriano 2B

6) Floyd RF

7) Barrett C

8) Jones LF

[CubfaninCA]

This isnt happening. But if it did, how bout Todd Walker and Rich Hill for Cliff Floyd? Put Jacque in Left. Lineup:

1) Pierre CF

2) Cedeno SS

3) Lee 1B

4) Ramirez 3B

5) Soriano 2B

6) Floyd RF

7) Barrett C

8) Jones LF

 

The big problem w/ that is Cedeno won't start over Dusty's beloved Neifi & NY will probably hang onto Floyd. If such a deal does go down, the Cubs should look to deal for one of Tampa's 50 outfielders. Of course, TB will want to hang onto them all just like Cincinati.

[Outshined_One]

Just curious. Is Carl Crawford available??

 

Unless he improves his BBs and Ks, we would have been better off keeping Corey Patterson. Considering that Tampa hasn't changed much despite having a new GM in terms of making impressive demands for their players, I'm sure they'd be asking for some ridiculous package.

 

??? Iirc Crawford's ops was 200 points better than CPatt last year. I do agree that TB would ask for something absurd.

 

Two things. First, Corey was absolutely abysmal last season (600 OPS). I don't think he's as bad as those numbers indicate, but his numbers are etched there. Saying that Crawford's OPS was 200 points better last season is darning him with faint praise. Secondly, comparing three year splits, Crawford's OPS is only a little under 20 points better with Corey getting an edge in power and IsoD.

 

You can make the argument that Crawford's better than Patterson, but I don't think he's so much better that trading for Crawford would be a jusifiable upgrade over Corey, especially given the likely price the Cubs would have to pay.

 

Besides, I don't think Crawford's production in LF would be good for this particular offense.

[USSoccer]

That woudl be a godawful, stupid, shortsighted trade, and I don't see how it makes sense for either side.