Justice Finally (FKA- Reyes Vs. Ponson )

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This thread has to win the award for most "fixed" replies by a single poster.

 

How about Ponson eats Reyes in ST and we trade Ponson to Pittsburgh for a bottle of scotch he will end up drinking during the exchange? Now that's a scenario I can believe.

 

fixed (pending Vance's approval)

[UK1679666180]

What's your problem with Marquis? He's given the Cards over 200 innings each of the last 2 years, and posted ERA+'s of 113 and 103.

 

Besides that, I didn't even mention Marquis in my post.

 

Do you not remember what Marquis said about not being in the post-season rotation?

 

The comment he made about it were extremely selfish and he is prone to big innings.

 

Like Simontacchi of a couple years ago, he got by on smoke and mirrors last year.

 

Look at his DIPS era and you'll see what I mean.

 

His numbers were not impressive to me, just fortunate the Cards have a very good infield defense rather than his actual pitching abilities.

 

You didn't mention Marquis, I did.

Edited February 15, 2006 by UK

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This thread has to win the award for most "fixed" replies by a single poster.

 

How about Ponson eats Reyes in ST and we trade Ponson to Pittsburgh for a bottle of scotch he will end up drinking during the exchange? Now that's a scenario I can believe.

 

fixed (pending Vance's approval)

 

Not too bad.

[K-Town]

What's your problem with Marquis? He's given the Cards over 200 innings each of the last 2 years, and posted ERA+'s of 113 and 103.

 

Besides that, I didn't even mention Marquis in my post.

 

Do you not remember what Marquis said about not being in the post-season rotation?

 

The comment he made about it were extremely selfish and he is prone to big innings.

 

Like Simontacchi of a couple years ago, he got by on smoke and mirrors last year.

 

Look at his DIPS era and you'll see what I mean.

 

His numbers were not impressive to me, just fortunate the Cards have a very good infield defense rather than his actual pitching abilities.

 

You didn't mention Marquis, I did.

 

 

My point is simply this:

 

If Reyes is pitching at AAA, then it's ONLY because the other 5 starters are healthy, and pitching well. How could that POSSIBLY be a "bad" thing?

[UK1679666180]

Having healthy pitchers is never a bad thing.

 

Why does Reyes have to be the one at AAA? What does he have to prove at AAA?

 

Why can't Ponson or go Marquis go to the pen?

 

It's a bad thing when you restrict the talent and future progression of someone as gifted as Reyes, especially when there are lesser talent and less potential impact players like Marquis and Ponson ahead of him.

 

It's stupid to waste a year of his career at AAA, when he's ready for the majors.

[K-Town]

Having healthy pitchers is never a bad thing.

 

Why does Reyes have to be the one at AAA? What does he have to prove at AAA?

 

Why can't Ponson or go Marquis go to the pen?

 

It's a bad thing when you restrict the talent and future progression of someone as gifted as Reyes, especially when there are lesser talent and less potential impact players like Marquis and Ponson ahead of him.

 

It's stupid to waste a year of his career at AAA, when he's ready for the majors.

 

I would assume that the people around Reyes believe that there's something he can work on at AAA. Maybe he's not "perfect" yet.

 

I doubt if they're just going to send him to AAA because they don't like him. That would be stupid. I would assume that they would have a reason. It's hard for me to argue with the way they've handled the pitching staff over the last couple of years. I trust them.

[UK1679666180]

What does have to work on? His delivery? If they want to overhaul or tweek his delivery, that's only thing I can see. But, if they keep him there just to make sure he is healthy, that makes no sense.

 

Of course, ask any pitching coach and you really can't successfully make many adjustments to a pitcher's mechanics during the season, that's done during instrux.

 

It's hard for me to argue with the way they've handled the pitching staff over the last couple of years. I trust them.

 

I've always hated this stance, it's ridiculous. Every situation they're involved with deserves questioning rather than passive accepting.

 

I'm glad I question everything the Cubs do and try to look at it from every angle, you learn more from the game that way.

[vaball]

On a team that expects to contend for the WS it's hard to give a rookie his turn sometimes, even if he's ready, when there are "proven" guys around like Ponson.

 

I think they're also afraid of another Ankiel debacle.

 

That being said, I think if Reyes is the best in ST they should move Ponson to the pen and let Anthony start.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

On a team that expects to contend for the WS it's hard to give a rookie his turn sometimes, even if he's ready, when there are "proven" guys around like Ponson.

 

I think they're also afraid of another Ankiel debacle.

 

That being said, I think if Reyes is the best in ST they should move Ponson to the pen and let Anthony start.

 

The only thing Ponson has proven is that he can out drink most of the guys on the team and could likely eat a whole pizza in less than 15 minutes.

[UK1679666180]

On a team that expects to contend for the WS it's hard to give a rookie his turn sometimes, even if he's ready, when there are "proven" guys around like Ponson.

 

I think they're also afraid of another Ankiel debacle.

 

That being said, I think if Reyes is the best in ST they should move Ponson to the pen and let Anthony start.

 

That's archaic thinking, you're talking about Ponson, he's definitely not the definition of someone I'd think of as far as being proven at this stage. He's a project.

 

Not giving a younger pitcher a chance is the reason why STL gave up too much to get Mulder.

[Drew Doughty]

On a team that expects to contend for the WS it's hard to give a rookie his turn sometimes, even if he's ready, when there are "proven" guys around like Ponson.

 

I think they're also afraid of another Ankiel debacle.

 

That being said, I think if Reyes is the best in ST they should move Ponson to the pen and let Anthony start.

 

The only thing Ponson has proven is that he can out drink most of the guys on the team and could likely eat a whole pizza in less than 15 minutes.

 

I take pride in being able to do the 2nd.

[K-Town]

On a team that expects to contend for the WS it's hard to give a rookie his turn sometimes, even if he's ready, when there are "proven" guys around like Ponson.

 

I think they're also afraid of another Ankiel debacle.

 

That being said, I think if Reyes is the best in ST they should move Ponson to the pen and let Anthony start.

 

That's archaic thinking, you're talking about Ponson, he's definitely not the definition of someone I'd think of as far as being proven at this stage. He's a project.

 

Not giving a younger pitcher a chance is the reason why STL gave up too much to get Mulder.

 

 

 

I think that's a good post, UK. I pretty much agree with you.

[wolf stansson]

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Do it Vance.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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Do it Vance.

 

I see the reports of a slimmed down Ponson have been greatly exaggerated.

[UK1679666180]

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/2003_2nd_half_moments/sf/03.jpg

 

Ponson in '03, still out of shape, but not to the point where it has a serious impact on his strong arm.

 

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/03/PH2005080300160.jpg

 

Ponson in August of '05.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Apparently Ponson is having trouble staying away from the buffet table as well as the booze. This just in from Jupiter---

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/vance_the_cubs_fan/sidneyfatson3es.jpg

[indifferent]

Apparently Ponson is having trouble staying away from the buffet table as well as the booze. This just in from Jupiter---

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/vance_the_cubs_fan/sidneyfatson3es.jpg

 

Where'd you get that pic, link?

[FergieJ31]

Where'd you get that pic, link?

 

That's sort of like going to a buddy's house and hearing him say "We're gonna have garlic roasted penguin for dinner", and asking "Where did the penguin come from?"

[snoodmonger]

You might like this quote about the fat, alchohlic known as Ponson.

 

And, the piece de resistance: the signing of Sidney Ponson to a one year deal. Never mind his tendency toward troubles with the bottle, or that 6.21 ERA; we think it’s only a matter of time before a DUI arrest in Clayton turns wrong, and he accidentally eats the breathalyzer. But hey: he has hair now.

 

By the way, I've heard that Ponson is Dutch for fat.

 

"Panzon" is Spanish for fat...

Gordo is, actually. Unless 'panzon' is some sort of slang or something. I've never heard of it though. Not that I speak or listen to spanish slang often.

 

Panzón does mean fat. Or, more accuarately, pot-bellied.

[Brian34Cook]

Well here we go.. Ponson is starting against Florida and will be followed by Reyes today.. Should be fun! :lol:

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Well here we go.. Ponson is starting against Florida and will be followed by Reyes today.. Should be fun! :lol:

 

Yeah... fun...

 

Ponson - 2 IP, 3 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 1 HR

Reyes - 2.1 IP, 5 ER, 5 H, 2 BB (1 IBB), 0 K, 0 HBP, 1 HR

 

 

:?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Well here we go.. Ponson is starting against Florida and will be followed by Reyes today.. Should be fun! :lol:

 

Yeah... fun...

 

Ponson - 2 IP, 3 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 1 HR

Reyes - 2.1 IP, 5 ER, 5 H, 2 BB (1 IBB), 0 K, 0 HBP, 1 HR

 

 

:?

 

Does this make Ponson the heavy favorite for the fifth starter's role?

[snoodmonger]

Well here we go.. Ponson is starting against Florida and will be followed by Reyes today.. Should be fun! :lol:

 

Yeah... fun...

 

Ponson - 2 IP, 3 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 1 HR

Reyes - 2.1 IP, 5 ER, 5 H, 2 BB (1 IBB), 0 K, 0 HBP, 1 HR

 

 

:?

 

Does this make Ponson the heavy favorite for the fifth starter's role?

 

At the very least, he's right in the thick of things.

[wolf stansson]

Well here we go.. Ponson is starting against Florida and will be followed by Reyes today.. Should be fun! :lol:

 

Yeah... fun...

 

Ponson - 2 IP, 3 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 HBP, 1 HR

Reyes - 2.1 IP, 5 ER, 5 H, 2 BB (1 IBB), 0 K, 0 HBP, 1 HR

 

 

:?

 

Does this make Ponson the heavy favorite for the fifth starter's role?

 

At the very least, he's right in the thick of things.

 

So you're saying he has more than a FAT chance at making the squad?

[Brian34Cook]

LoL well I guess if you look at the other parts.. Ponson did have 4 k's and pitched OK if you take away his HR.. If you take away that rocky 3rd inning for Anthony he pitched 2 shutout innings.. Still early but yes, Sidney is still in the 'thick' of things..