Ohman and Pierre signed

[goonys evil twin]

While I'm against the Jones signing, his contract/salary aren't trade prohibitive. It's possible we'll deal Jones if we extend Pierre and Pie is ready in '07.

 

I keep reading this. Who exactly are we going to trade Jones to? Snood, I'm not singling you out on this, just using your post as an example.

 

Well, the Cubs weren't the only team interested in signing him. To me, that implies other teams value him somewhat. If we ate some of the salary, I don't see why it would be so hard to trade him. I'm not suggesting we'd get much back for him. I'm just saying it's not like we'd be trying to move a Mo Vaughn contract. Worse players than Jacque Jones have been traded before. it's not unrealistic to think it could happen again.

 

Jim Hendry didn't sign Jones to trade him down the road. He likes Jones. Jones fits the exact stereotype of a "Jim Hendry guy".

 

Could they trade him? Obviously everybody can be traded. If Hundley, Sosa and ARod can be traded, despite their seemingly crazy contract situations and varied level of performance expectations, the Jones can be traded. But you can't assuage the grief surrounding his presence on the team (and likely in the middle of the lineup) by saying he might be tradable in a year. Hendry wants him on the team.

[snoodmonger]

While I'm against the Jones signing, his contract/salary aren't trade prohibitive. It's possible we'll deal Jones if we extend Pierre and Pie is ready in '07.

 

I keep reading this. Who exactly are we going to trade Jones to? Snood, I'm not singling you out on this, just using your post as an example.

 

Well, the Cubs weren't the only team interested in signing him. To me, that implies other teams value him somewhat. If we ate some of the salary, I don't see why it would be so hard to trade him. I'm not suggesting we'd get much back for him. I'm just saying it's not like we'd be trying to move a Mo Vaughn contract. Worse players than Jacque Jones have been traded before. it's not unrealistic to think it could happen again.

 

Jim Hendry didn't sign Jones to trade him down the road. He likes Jones. Jones fits the exact stereotype of a "Jim Hendry guy".

 

Could they trade him? Obviously everybody can be traded. If Hundley, Sosa and ARod can be traded, despite their seemingly crazy contract situations and varied level of performance expectations, the Jones can be traded. But you can't assuage the grief surrounding his presence on the team (and likely in the middle of the lineup) by saying he might be tradable in a year. Hendry wants him on the team.

 

Probably true. My point was just that it's theoretically possible we won't have to watch Jones suck for a full three years. I'm not saying it's likely, but as they said in Dumb and Dumber, "So you're saying there's a chance!"

[A New Era]

. . . . . . . Where's the Ohman and Pierre thread :?: :shock:

[baseball7897]

Good question

[A New Era]

Good question

 

I just jumped to the last page, to see where the conversation was at.

[Soul]

I would like to see if Pierre has anything left before signing him to a multi-year deal. Makes more sense to me if we treat him as a 1-yr experiment unless he proves he's worth more.

 

But, this is Hendry. So sign him to a 5-year, $40million deal right now

[Tim]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

[USSoccer]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

[Tim]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

How good?

[BigbadB]

Miguel Cabrera will be due for a boost in salary next year. I'm sure Florida won't want to fork out the cash. :D

[USSoccer]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

How good?

 

Let's say on the level of Abreu/Dunn

[goonys evil twin]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

How good?

 

Let's say on the level of Abreu/Dunn

 

Probably. I'm thinking Pierre is going to have a modestly good year. But with the momentum in baseball swinging toward the overvaluation of this type of player (see all the BS about how great Podsednik was this year), he could very well be very overpaid by next season, and Jim could easily be the GM who mistakenly signs him to that contract.

[erik316wttn]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

How good?

 

Let's say on the level of Abreu/Dunn

 

Probably. I'm thinking Pierre is going to have a modestly good year. But with the momentum in baseball swinging toward the overvaluation of this type of player (see all the BS about how great Podsednik was this year), he could very well be very overpaid by next season, and Jim could easily be the GM who mistakenly signs him to that contract.

 

Do you think public pressure from the fans, who have heard so much about Pie these last few years, would allow Hendry to re-sign Pierre and either trade away Pie or hold him down?

[Tim]

I'm all for getting a good year out of Pierre, offering Arby and collecting a couple draft picks for him when he signs elsewhere. Hand Pie CF in 2007.

 

Could you live with Pierre if Pie is traded for a good RF bat?

How good?

 

Let's say on the level of Abreu/Dunn

Yes, though Pierre wouldn't be my first choice for CF in that case.

[goonys evil twin]

Do you think public pressure from the fans, who have heard so much about Pie these last few years, would allow Hendry to re-sign Pierre and either trade away Pie or hold him down?

 

I don't think public pressure would have any impact. First off, the vast majority of Cubs fans don't give a crap about prospects, and think "true leadoff man" really was the biggest need. So they view the proven Pierre as fantastic for the team.

 

Hendry is not going to hold Pie down. He's either going to trade him, or find room. But the public won't determine the plan. If the Cubs feel the public needs to be swayed one way or another, they'll just get the PR machine to sell the story.