Pick the HOF'ers

[T2E]

Here are the statistics of 6 actual pitchers with very comprable statistics. 3 of them are in the HOF and 3 are not. Your job is to pick based on their statistics, who deserves the Hall of Fame and who doesn't. Try not to look up who these pitchers are before you rank them; if you recognize their statistics try not to let your previous biases figure into your decision.

 

Player A
WP%	....W..	L	IP	...H...	R	..ER	..HR	..BB	..SO	ERA	lgERA	ERA+
0.534	287	250	4970	4632	2029	1830	430	1322	3701	3.31	3.90	118

Player B
WP%	....W	.L	...IP...	H	....R	....ER	HR	BB	....SO	ERA	*lgERA	*ERA+
0.544	283	237	4530.3	4620	2038	1738	395	1083	2461	3.45	3.69	107

Player C
WP%	....W	L...	IP	...H..	.R..	..ER..	HR.	BB.	SO	..ERA	*lgERA	*ERA+
0.555	288	231	4710.3	4783	2017	1749	302	1259	2245	3.34	3.69	111

 

Player D
WP%	....W	L....	IP...	H..	...R.	ER	..HR	BB	..SO	.ERA	*lgERA	*ERA+
0.539	286	245	4688.7	4582	1962	1774	505	902	2357	3.41	3.86	113

Player E
WP%	....W	L..	IP..	H...	R....	ER..	HR.	BB.	SO.	ERA	*lgERA	*ERA+
0.548	273	225	4344	4284	2117	1833	254	1541	1987	3.80	4.25	109

Player F
WP%	...W.	L..	IP....	H..	..R..	ER	..HR	.BB	..SO	ERA	*lgERA	*ERA+
0.557	284	226	4500.7	4142	1853	1669	484	997	3192	3.34	3.85	115

 

Please choose the three that you think best qualify for the Hall.

[stitchface]

I'll take ADF

[Mizzou]

Well, if I can only pick three...

 

Player F gets the first nod. Very good K:BB ratio and a high ERA+ along with what looks like the best WHIP on the list.

 

Player A would probably be get my next vote for the same reasons listed above.

 

My final vote is between B, C, and D. Looks like player D has the best WHIP, ERA+ and K:BB ratio among the three, so I'll go with him.

 

So I'd say F, A, and D.

[treebird]

ABF for me

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ADF

 

A and F are locks, D's sub 1 WHIP seals it over the rest.

[Careless]

ADF

 

A and F are locks, D's sub 1 WHIP seals it over the rest.

1.17 WHIP

(4582+902)/4688

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You and your math....

 

Still better than B's 1.25, which was who I was deciding between.

[imb]

ADF, which im assuming isnt the case

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'll go with A, D, F.

[rawaction]

ADF. Strangely, they gave up the most HRs, though.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

ADF. Strangely, they gave up the most HRs, though.

 

ADF for me.

 

Because of their K/9 I would guess A & F are power pitchers who give up a lot of homeruns.

[Tim]

I'd go with the crowd and take ADF. It's remarkable how similar the results are between them, though.

[CoolHandLuke]

ADF as well

[Warpticon]

I said ADF. Then I looked it up. And yeah, that's pretty consistent with who I would have voted in, anyway. :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've figured out who they all are except player E. :x

[mhuber92211]

Player C seems to have had a pretty long and slightly above average career. I would pick this player for consistency purposes I think. Also player A and F are locks.

[Tim]

For comparison sake

 

Player G: Best pitcher of all time?

 

WP%   ....W..   L   IP   ...H...   R   ..ER   ..HR   ..BB   ..SO   ERA   lgERA   ERA+  WHIP
.665    341    172 4704    3997   1799 1632    347   1520   4502  3.12    4.46   143  1.173

[Tim]

I've figured out who they all are except player E. :x

Look at this list

[Tim]

And my favorite pitcher of all time (not that I'm trying to bias anyone!)

 

Player H:

 

WP%   ....W..   L   IP   ...H...   R   ..ER   ..HR   ..BB   ..SO   ERA   lgERA   ERA+  WHIP
.627    318    189 4406    4082   1675 1476    298    907   3052  3.01    4.15   138  1.132

[Tim]

Player C seems to have had a pretty long and slightly above average career. I would pick this player for consistency purposes I think. Also player A and F are locks.

Apparently not for the voters. :evil:

[Tim]

BTW - in the vein of the best pitcher of all time argument...

 

If durability is ignored, it pretty much has to be Pedro Martinez. Check out the all time best ERA+ ratings (ERA adjusted for park and league averages) from #40 up through #2 and notice how tightly grouped everyone is as you move up the chain:

 

#40 - #30: 128, 128, 129, 129, 130, 130, 130, 130, 130, 131

#30 - #20: 132, 132, 132, 132, 132, 133, 134, 134, 135, 135

#20 - #10: 136, 136, 137, 138, 138, 138, 139, 142, 142, 142

#10 - #2: 143, 143, 145, 146, 146, 146, 146, 148

 

Obviously, I'm positioning Pedro to be #1. But it isn't so much the fact that he's #1. It's that the gap between him and #2 is almost as big as the gap between #2 and #40.

 

Pedro's at 166.

[stitchface]

Clemens and Maddux?

[Tim]

Clemens and Maddux?

Yeah. I'd say they are pretty much locks. :D

[stitchface]

I sure hope so!

[1908]

Player G: Best pitcher of all time?

Taking the era he pitched in into account? Yes. Gotta take the big train over the rocket based on stats alone, though.