Soriano

[CP_414]

Anyone else worried Hendry will try to get Soriano from the Nats if he can't get Tejada? The Cubs clearly need another bat, and the only positions left are LF, SS, and 2B. Soriano and the Nats don't seem to be on good terms after the trade. I think it would be a bad idea, but one that I coould see happeneing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd prefer he get Vidro over Soriano.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd prefer he just stuck with Walker... SIGH....

[SteveSarley]

I wouldn't mind seeing it at all.

We need either another power bat or an excellent #2 hitter to make this team go anywhere. I wouldn't mind seeing Vidro batting second and having Cedeno starting at SS and hitting eighth. With Soriano, you'd need to have Cedeno batting in the two spot. A rookie batting 2nd scares me a little. By the way, Vidro wanted to play for his home country in this International game deal, but Washington will not allow him to. It seems like he may be healthy enough to try trading for.

 

The choices:

 

Pierre CF - Pierre CF

Vidro 2b - Cedeno SS

Lee 1b - Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b - Ramirez 3b

Jones RF - Soriano 2b

Murton LF - Jones RF

Barrett C - Murton LF

Cedeno SS - Barrett C

[USSoccer]

If Soriano meant we held onto Prior and Z, and Soriano batted no higher than 5th (assuming Jones bats 6th), then I'd be fine with it, depending on the prospect cost.

 

Note the word prospect.

[back2backjax]

Anyone else worried Hendry will try to get Soriano from the Nats if he can't get Tejada? The Cubs clearly need another bat, and the only positions left are LF, SS, and 2B. Soriano and the Nats don't seem to be on good terms after the trade. I think it would be a bad idea, but one that I coould see happeneing.

 

depending on what we'd have to part with, i like this idea. imagine how the offense would look if we got a .275 avg and 25-30 homers from 2B? also consider the speed factor...with pierre in CF, murton in LF, jones in RF, soriano at 2B, lee at 1B and cedeno at SS, that's 6 out of 8 positions with above average speed that can steal bases. whether or not dusty uses this speed properly is another story.

 

let's offer corey, williams and wellemeyer or a higher prospect if we're able to reach a longer term deal with soriano so he's not just a 1 yr rental.

[RockTheIvy]

If we got Soriano..that's a bunch of Ks between him and Jones. Bad Ks too, the no-walK kind of k.

[back2backjax]

If we got Soriano..that's a bunch of Ks between him and Jones. Bad Ks too, the no-walK kind of k.

 

agreed, but i'd rather get .275/30/90+ and some Ks from soriano than .260/8/45 from neifi.

[CP_414]

If Soriano meant we held onto Prior and Z, and Soriano batted no higher than 5th (assuming Jones bats 6th), then I'd be fine with it, depending on the prospect cost.

 

Note the word prospect.

 

Remember they gave up Wilkerson, Sledge, and more to get him. To acquire Soriano from Washington, I would guess Walker, Patterson, Hill, and a Welly-tpe reliever would be included. Again, I do not want Soriano. I would not trade those guys for him, but doesn't it seem like something Hendry would do? I guess thats my only real point here.

[USSoccer]

If we got Soriano..that's a bunch of Ks between him and Jones. Bad Ks too, the no-walK kind of k.

 

agreed, but i'd rather get .275/30/90+ and some Ks from soriano than .260/8/45 from neifi.

 

It's a choice between bad and worse. I'd rather keep Prior and deal with Soriano than have a bad pitchign staff and a slightly better offense.

[CubfaninCA]

The Cubs need a 5 hitter, so getting Soriano doesn't worry me.

[RockTheIvy]

The Cubs need a 5 hitter, so getting Soriano doesn't worry me.

 

No I agree with you here. Soriano+Prior is a better situation than Prior and Jeff Pico, or whomever they were thinking of replacing him with. I think Soriano is a bit undervalued. Yeah he doesn't walk much and strikes out a ton, but consistenly slugs around .500. That's a lot of power from a 2B. If we are going to trade Walker, why not get someone with some pop, since we have pretty much given up the OBP thing this year. Again.

[CubfaninCA]

The Cubs need a 5 hitter, so getting Soriano doesn't worry me.

 

No I agree with you here. Soriano+Prior is a better situation than Prior and Jeff Pico, or whomever they were thinking of replacing him with. I think Soriano is a bit undervalued. Yeah he doesn't walk much and strikes out a ton, but consistenly slugs around .500. That's a lot of power from a 2B. If we are going to trade Walker, why not get someone with some pop, since we have pretty much given up the OBP thing this year. Again.

 

It all depends on where Soriano's batting in the order. Same goes for Walker. Since Soriano has nearly hit 40 homers in a couple of season, I don't think Dusty will bat him 1st or 2nd, but will put him in a power spot. With this given order, most likely 5th.

[RockTheIvy]

The Cubs need a 5 hitter, so getting Soriano doesn't worry me.

 

No I agree with you here. Soriano+Prior is a better situation than Prior and Jeff Pico, or whomever they were thinking of replacing him with. I think Soriano is a bit undervalued. Yeah he doesn't walk much and strikes out a ton, but consistenly slugs around .500. That's a lot of power from a 2B. If we are going to trade Walker, why not get someone with some pop, since we have pretty much given up the OBP thing this year. Again.

 

It all depends on where Soriano's batting in the order. Same goes for Walker. Since Soriano has nearly hit 40 homers in a couple of season, I don't think Dusty will bat him 1st or 2nd, but will put him in a power spot. With this given order, most likely 5th.

 

Then we can start hoping for the .300 seasns from Pierre, Jones and Soriano. Stranger things have happened, but that would be a pretty solid offense, considering the organizational outlook we are dealing with.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

IF TRADED, I believe Soriano will go back to the AL.

[RockTheIvy]

IF TRADED, I believe Soriano will go back to the AL.

 

BUZZKILL~! :lol:

[back2backjax]

If we got Soriano..that's a bunch of Ks between him and Jones. Bad Ks too, the no-walK kind of k.

 

agreed, but i'd rather get .275/30/90+ and some Ks from soriano than .260/8/45 from neifi.

 

It's a choice between bad and worse. I'd rather keep Prior and deal with Soriano than have a bad pitchign staff and a slightly better offense.

 

for the record...i never advocated trading prior. i said deal corey, williams and prospects. at least this way bowden gets something for the soriano trade since it's obvious he wont have a W on his hat in 2007. maybe the cubs can dangle 2B in front of him and get an extension signed.

 

my feeling is this: go to battle with prior, z, wood, maddux and whoever else can get guys out and see what's going on at the deadline. in no way should a 25yo star pitcher be traded for a 30yo SS (whose production may decline a bit with the switch in leagues).

[soapy]

I wouldn't mind seeing it at all.

We need either another power bat or an excellent #2 hitter to make this team go anywhere. I wouldn't mind seeing Vidro batting second and having Cedeno starting at SS and hitting eighth. With Soriano, you'd need to have Cedeno batting in the two spot. A rookie batting 2nd scares me a little. By the way, Vidro wanted to play for his home country in this International game deal, but Washington will not allow him to. It seems like he may be healthy enough to try trading for.

 

The choices:

 

Pierre CF - Pierre CF

Vidro 2b - Cedeno SS

Lee 1b - Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b - Ramirez 3b

Jones RF - Soriano 2b

Murton LF - Jones RF

Barrett C - Murton LF

Cedeno SS - Barrett C

 

It's cute that you not only think Cedeno will start over Neifi at SS if the Cubs got Soriano, but that he'd bat 2nd.

[Wheelimus]

Eh, i'm willing to give the benefit that Cedeno is going to be a starter next year unless something drastic happens. Hendry has said time and time again that he sees him as a starter. He was starting before he went down last year. I'm fairly confident that Ronny will either play short if we get a new 2B or a 2B if we get a new SS.

 

As for Soriano, if he could be had for prospects I could live with it. We'd really need one of Murton or Cedeno to pan out OBP wise though, in the 2 hole.

 

But with what they gave up to get him, I don't see him going for prospects. Now, Vidro is more likely. They could probably package him for prospects and filler major leaguers, and say they were concerned about his injury problem.

[badgercub]

NO! To Soriano. He has emphatically stated that he wants to return to the AL and when he becomes a free agent he will do exactly that.

[soapy]

Eh, i'm willing to give the benefit that Cedeno is going to be a starter next year unless something drastic happens. Hendry has said time and time again that he sees him as a starter. He was starting before he went down last year. I'm fairly confident that Ronny will either play short if we get a new 2B or a 2B if we get a new SS.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. I remember hearing similar things about Dubois last year. Also of note, from what I've seen, Ronnie hasn't played a single inning at 2B this summer.

[goonys evil twin]

Eh, i'm willing to give the benefit that Cedeno is going to be a starter next year unless something drastic happens. Hendry has said time and time again that he sees him as a starter. He was starting before he went down last year. I'm fairly confident that Ronny will either play short if we get a new 2B or a 2B if we get a new SS.

 

I wouldn't say he was starting before he went down. It's true he started the day he got hurt, but he didn't even play the game before. He had started 2 of the previous 3, but only 6 of the previous 12. He was clearly in a platoon situation, which, like most of Dusty's decisions, was asinine.

[Billy_Buck]

But with what they gave up to get him, I don't see him going for prospects. Now, Vidro is more likely. They could probably package him for prospects and filler major leaguers, and say they were concerned about his injury problem.

... and that they were making room for Soriano at 2B.

 

I agree that Vidro is more likely than Soriano.

[goonys evil twin]

I do not like Soriano at all. But the way things are going, acquiring him for minimal prospects would be the best thing Hendry has done this offseason. They do need a competent 5th hitter, and while his putrid OBP shows he's not an ideal 5th hitter, he would bring more to the table than Jones.

[Backtobanks]

I wouldn't mind seeing it at all.

We need either another power bat or an excellent #2 hitter to make this team go anywhere. I wouldn't mind seeing Vidro batting second and having Cedeno starting at SS and hitting eighth. With Soriano, you'd need to have Cedeno batting in the two spot. A rookie batting 2nd scares me a little. By the way, Vidro wanted to play for his home country in this International game deal, but Washington will not allow him to. It seems like he may be healthy enough to try trading for.

 

The choices:

 

Pierre CF - Pierre CF

Vidro 2b - Cedeno SS

Lee 1b - Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b - Ramirez 3b

Jones RF - Soriano 2b

Murton LF - Jones RF

Barrett C - Murton LF

Cedeno SS - Barrett C

 

It seems to me that we have an excellent #2 hitter by the name of Todd Walker.