[JWCUB]

I still cant believe that they are even CONSIDERING trading Prior. Blows my mind. :shock:

[erik316wttn]

This is just crazy. If the trade goes through we will regret the trade ever happened.

 

Prior will win at LEAST 2 Cy's in Baltimore. At least.

 

Leave it to Hendry to make the rotation a strength, then make it a glaring weakness at the expense of a 30 year old shortstop on the downturn.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

 

I believe the Cubs would get Bedard.

[Billy_Buck]

Bruce said that "scouts" are high on Bedard, and see something in Prior that has Hendry concerned. I have no idea what that is????????

If the deal happens and this "something in Prior" is a factor, JH better hope he's right. He could find himself immortalized in the Harry Frazee wing of baseball lore. This isn't just "any" trade we're talking about here.

[HoopsCubs]

I get the sense this is going to happen.

 

Is that an official "hoops radar reading"?

 

No it's not. It's just a gut feel that Hendry has confidence that Wood will be ready and durable, and that Prior is expendable if it means getting Tejada and Bedard. He's clearly gambling looking to shake things up.

[RynoRules]

B/c Philly wouldn't give them back a pitcher in addition to Abreu?

 

That's a good explanation too. From what I read Billy Beane is very high on Bedard too. Hendry wants a lefty in the rotation, whose name isn't Rusch.

 

At least this shows that he hasn't completely lost his marbles.

 

I still think the notion of this trade is Hendry's last stand; a make-or-break moment. It could save his job and make him a hero, or bury him for good. I think he senses (or has been outright notififed) that he has precious little leash left.

Edited December 27, 2005 by RynoRules

[RynoRules]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

 

I believe the Cubs would get Bedard.

 

And I believe that I forgot... #-o

 

Thanks for the save. I guess w/ Bedard on bd as well it builds depth in case Wood is not ready.

[YearofDaCubs]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

[BigbadB]

I wouldn't expect Guzman to be ready for a rotation spot until midseason at the earliest. To count on him even remotely at the beginning of the season is quite a gamble.

 

With all of Guzman's injuries, going more than 125-130 innings next year wouldn't be a good idea, IMO. He needs to be handled with kid gloves, and it's going to take awhile to build up the stamina to go 6-7 innings a game for a full major league season.

[rawaction]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

Wouldn't the rotation be,

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Bedard

Williams

 

It's hard for me to believe that Hendry could survive another offseason after trading away Sosa and Prior for less than full value in the previous 2.

[YearofDaCubs]

This is just crazy. If the trade goes through we will regret the trade ever happened.

 

Prior will win at LEAST 2 Cy's in Baltimore. At least.

 

Leave it to Hendry to make the rotation a strength, then make it a glaring weakness at the expense of a 30 year old shortstop on the downturn.

And then people wonder why he gets criticized.

[RynoRules]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

I am not counting on Wood to be anything other than a FA after 06'.

 

I think Williams is better than a No. 5, but his ceiling is likely as a No. 3.

 

I can live with Maddux as a No. 4 or No. 5.

 

I forgot about Bedrard (see above); I am hoping Guzman is really ready this time.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't expect Guzman to be ready for a rotation spot until midseason at the earliest. To count on him even remotely at the beginning of the season is quite a gamble.

 

With all of Guzman's injuries, going more than 125-130 innings next year wouldn't be a good idea, IMO. He needs to be handled with kid gloves, and it's going to take awhile to build up the stamina to go 6-7 innings a game for a full major league season.

 

 

Why midseason? He got thru the AFL healthy. I think he should be ready to go to start the season barring another set back. I assumed he would go to the minors first, but if he's gonna be pitching somewhere, it might as well be in Chicago. Even still, I would hope the Cubs would put him in Tennessee until the weather heats up.

[Bull]

 

Wouldn't the rotation be,

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Bedard

Williams

 

 

Yeah. lets back up that Guzman train. But insert Rusch for Wood. Oooh two lefties!

[erik316wttn]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

So in the end we're going to lose Prior because we lost on Furcal.

 

Jim.... settle down. Tejada is NOT worth Prior. Give them Hill, CPatt, Guz, and another. If they turn it down, it's their loss.

 

Of course Baltimore is going to take this trade. They'd be idiots not to.

 

I hate you, Jim. Honestly, truly hate you.

[badgercub]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

I am not counting on Wood to be anything other than a FA after 06'.

 

I think Williams is better than a No. 5, but his ceiling is likely as a No. 3.

 

I can live with Maddux as a No. 4 or No. 5.

 

I forgot about Bedrard (see above); I am hoping Guzman is really ready this time.

 

If Hendry is willing to trade Prior, why pigeonhole himself into offering him up for Tejada? Why not put him on the open market and see what he brings? Personally if they want a shortstop, see what it would take in addition to Prior to get Arod (+ cash) from the Yankees, that would solve the SS problem.

[goonys evil twin]

Wouldn't the rotation be,

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Bedard

Williams

 

That is 4 highly questionable arms in that rotation. Hardly what I would call a top tier staff. And I'm not sure Rusch isn't slotted ahead of Williams right now. He'd certainly be starting with Wood on the sideline to start the season.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

So in the end we're going to lose Prior because we lost on Furcal.

 

Jim.... settle down. Tejada is NOT worth Prior. Give them Hill, CPatt, Guz, and another. If they turn it down, it's their loss.

 

Of course Baltimore is going to take this trade. They'd be idiots not to.

 

I hate you, Jim. Honestly, truly hate you.

 

 

You guys keep forgetting Bedard. He's a huge chip.

[JWCUB]

Since Jim is hell bent on trading Prior, I would rather trade him to Boston for Manny and keep Cedeno at short.

[Sarcastic]

This is just crazy. If the trade goes through we will regret the trade ever happened.

 

Prior will win at LEAST 2 Cy's in Baltimore. At least.

 

Leave it to Hendry to make the rotation a strength, then make it a glaring weakness at the expense of a 30 year old shortstop on the downturn.

And then people wonder why he gets criticized.

 

Maybe its pointless to point this out, but the trade hasn't actually been agreed to yet. This wouldn't be the first time Levine and the sports media have been very wrong about something.

 

If this trade does happen, it will probably be by far the worst deal Hendry has made. But if I remember correctly, someone said Levine was still reporting it as a 50/50 chance that any kind of trade gets made.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

So in the end we're going to lose Prior because we lost on Furcal.

 

Jim.... settle down. Tejada is NOT worth Prior. Give them Hill, CPatt, Guz, and another. If they turn it down, it's their loss.

 

Of course Baltimore is going to take this trade. They'd be idiots not to.

 

I hate you, Jim. Honestly, truly hate you.

 

 

You guys keep forgetting Bedard. He's a huge chip.

 

He's not significantly more valuable than Hill, who's also being moved in this deal.

[goonys evil twin]

You guys keep forgetting Bedard. He's a huge chip.

 

I think he's way too overinflated. The guy has had worse injury concerns than Prior, is older, and has a much less impressive track record. People are talking about him like he's some hot shot 23 year old prospect without blemishes on his resume.

[RynoRules]

Its an interesting question:

 

If Prior is indeed "out there", why haven't there been more phone calls about him? Or have there? Interesting.

 

Also, I think its a little strong to "hate" Hendry. Dislike what he is doing or think its the mark of a man on the verge of a breakdown, sure. But "hate" is a bit much.

Edited December 27, 2005 by RynoRules

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Why are they so hell bent on trading Prior? If you do, Z is the only constant in the rotation. Wood won't be ready. Maddux is done. Williams isn't more than a #3, as is Rusch.

 

This trade would make the rotation very mediocre. We don't need offense that badly.

 

I think JH is counting on the rotation looking like this:

 

Z

Wood

Maddux

Williams

Guzman

 

I'd certainly rather it be that way than having Rusch in the rotation, so may be its wishful thinking on my part.

Aside from Z the pitching rotation would be pathetic. Do you guys really expect Wood to be back and injury free? Maddux is likely going to regress again this year. Williams is a good #5 right now and Guzman is in the same category as Wood. TERRIBLE.

 

So in the end we're going to lose Prior because we lost on Furcal.

 

Jim.... settle down. Tejada is NOT worth Prior. Give them Hill, CPatt, Guz, and another. If they turn it down, it's their loss.

 

Of course Baltimore is going to take this trade. They'd be idiots not to.

 

I hate you, Jim. Honestly, truly hate you.

 

 

You guys keep forgetting Bedard. He's a huge chip.

 

He's not significantly more valuable than Hill, who's also being moved in this deal.

 

I very much disagree. Bedard has shown he's been able to dominate at the MLB level, Hill has not. There are legit concerns about Hill being a AAAA player.

[BigbadB]

I wouldn't expect Guzman to be ready for a rotation spot until midseason at the earliest. To count on him even remotely at the beginning of the season is quite a gamble.

 

With all of Guzman's injuries, going more than 125-130 innings next year wouldn't be a good idea, IMO. He needs to be handled with kid gloves, and it's going to take awhile to build up the stamina to go 6-7 innings a game for a full major league season.

 

 

Why midseason? He got thru the AFL healthy. I think he should be ready to go to start the season barring another set back. I assumed he would go to the minors first, but if he's gonna be pitching somewhere, it might as well be in Chicago. Even still, I would hope the Cubs would put him in Tennessee until the weather heats up.

 

The fact he pitched in the AFL is one reason all by itself. How many innings do you think he can withstand after pitching so few these past few years?

 

He hasn't pitched over 100 innings since 2002. He's one of my favorite prospects, but counting on him to give you 160+ innings as a 5th starter is just not a good idea in my mind. At least not in 2006.