[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

IMO, to most players, the only thing that matters is the "Benjamins". For the right price just about any player will sign anywhere.

 

Don't the trade requests/demands of players like Manny, ARod and Miggy run contrary to the notion that players only eant money?

 

Well, once you have the money you consider other things. In Prior's case, he doesn't have his big contract.

[RynoRules]

 

IMO, to most players, the only thing that matters is the "Benjamins". For the right price just about any player will sign anywhere.

 

Don't the trade requests/demands of players like Manny, ARod and Miggy run contrary to the notion that players only eant money?

 

Well, once you have the money you consider other things. In Prior's case, he doesn't have his big contract.

 

Yeah, Prior is in more of a Lebron James sort of position, where he might be watching what management is doing to give him a supporting cast before deciding if he wants his first (and possibly only) big contract to be with the organization that drafted him.

[CubfaninCA]

Its an interesting question:

 

If Prior is indeed "out there", why haven't there been more phone calls about him? Or have there? Interesting.

 

Also, I think its a little strong to "hate" Hendry. Dislike what he is doing or think its the mark of a man on the verge of a breakdown, sure. But "hate" is a bit much.

 

Good question. Gotta figured New York and Boston will come a callin soon. Hopefully, Hendry keeps holding his cards for a while.

 

If Prior can't handle being dangled as trade bait & his feelings are crushed, I don't want him anyway. He hasn't pitched well enough to be considered untouchable. Perhaps he's getting a little bit of a swollen head?? Who knows.

 

Good catch on chemistry btw.

[ShawonOmeter12]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

[RynoRules]

Its an interesting question:

 

If Prior is indeed "out there", why haven't there been more phone calls about him? Or have there? Interesting.

 

Also, I think its a little strong to "hate" Hendry. Dislike what he is doing or think its the mark of a man on the verge of a breakdown, sure. But "hate" is a bit much.

 

Good question. Gotta figured New York and Boston will come a callin soon. Hopefully, Hendry keeps holding his cards for a while.

 

If Prior can't handle being dangled as trade bait & his feelings are crushed, I don't want him anyway. He hasn't pitched well enough to be considered untouchable. Perhaps he's getting a little bit of a swollen head?? Who knows.

 

Good catch on chemistry btw.

 

Thanks.

 

Also, I think its worth throwing around the notion that Prior has no intention of staying here once he hits his walk year. Could he be Giles-like in that he will be headed back to So Cal no matter what? Its possible, I guess, that JH knows this or strongly suspects it and therefore is trying to trade Prior before his bargaining position becomes weak or desperate (the opposite of what he did with Sammy).

[badgercub]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

 

Arod is a SS playing 3rd base

[Magnetic Curses]

He hasn't pitched well enough to be considered untouchable.

 

a joke, right?

[HoopsCubs]

Its an interesting question:

 

If Prior is indeed "out there", why haven't there been more phone calls about him? Or have there? Interesting.

 

Also, I think its a little strong to "hate" Hendry. Dislike what he is doing or think its the mark of a man on the verge of a breakdown, sure. But "hate" is a bit much.

 

Good question. Gotta figured New York and Boston will come a callin soon. Hopefully, Hendry keeps holding his cards for a while.

 

If Prior can't handle being dangled as trade bait & his feelings are crushed, I don't want him anyway. He hasn't pitched well enough to be considered untouchable. Perhaps he's getting a little bit of a swollen head?? Who knows.

 

Good catch on chemistry btw.

 

Thanks.

 

Also, I think its worth throwing around the notion that Prior has no intention of staying here once he hits his walk year. Could he be Giles-like in that he will be headed back to So Cal no matter what? Its possible, I guess, that JH knows this or strongly suspects it and therefore is trying to trade Prior before his bargaining position becomes weak or desperate (the opposite of what he did with Sammy).

 

Or maybe Prior privately requested a trade too.

[The Voice of Reason]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

 

 

They won't. Fans fall in love with "their players." I understand fan sentiment in Baltimore is running 9:1 against trading Tejada for "just Prior."

[Sarcastic]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

 

Because Prior is better, younger, and cheaper than Tejada. The O's probably wouldn't ordinarily give him up for just prospects, and I don't expect them to do it now, but I wouldn't consider trading a young cheap starter for an old expensive shortstop, especially when we already have a player who is very cheap and should fill in decently. Heck, I'd let Neifi play SS before I'd trade Prior for Tejada.

[goonys evil twin]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

 

Baltimore sucks, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Tejada asked to be traded. Whether or not Tejada is on their team, they are destined for 4th place in the AL East. No established veteran would change that. If I was Baltimore I'd love to get Prior. But considering that franchise's situation, and near term hopes for the future, I wouldn't think Prior is going to settle down there for the longterm without an insanely large contract. Knowing that Miggy wants out, I'd be very open to a deal that nets me 2-3 really good prospects and a couple more decent ones, and sheds payroll.

 

Remember, Angelos swindled MLB into guaranteeing him money if his revenue slips due to the Nationals coming to DC. He doesn't have to worry about marketing this team with known stars. Financially it makes more sense to trade Tejada for prospects. Baseball wise Prior would be preferred, but if the ultimate goal is real succes, and not just fighting for 3rd place, the multiple prospects is the way to go.

[RynoRules]

Its an interesting question:

 

If Prior is indeed "out there", why haven't there been more phone calls about him? Or have there? Interesting.

 

Also, I think its a little strong to "hate" Hendry. Dislike what he is doing or think its the mark of a man on the verge of a breakdown, sure. But "hate" is a bit much.

 

Good question. Gotta figured New York and Boston will come a callin soon. Hopefully, Hendry keeps holding his cards for a while.

 

If Prior can't handle being dangled as trade bait & his feelings are crushed, I don't want him anyway. He hasn't pitched well enough to be considered untouchable. Perhaps he's getting a little bit of a swollen head?? Who knows.

 

Good catch on chemistry btw.

 

Thanks.

 

Also, I think its worth throwing around the notion that Prior has no intention of staying here once he hits his walk year. Could he be Giles-like in that he will be headed back to So Cal no matter what? Its possible, I guess, that JH knows this or strongly suspects it and therefore is trying to trade Prior before his bargaining position becomes weak or desperate (the opposite of what he did with Sammy).

 

Or maybe Prior privately requested a trade too.

 

Could be; may be he chose to handle it in a more professional manner than Tejada and scores of others have.

[ShawonOmeter12]

my point about trading tejada for prospects is that there is no one they should trade a proven stud for a bunch of prospects they need someting proven in return. prior and prospect for tejada and bedard is a fair trade, most might not like it but it is fair.

[RynoRules]

And another thing: with Miggy on bd., does Cedeno start at second and Walker become prime trade-bait to snag an established vet. pitcher? And who might that pitcher be? Who has a hole at 2B or DH?

[JWCUB]

You dont think the Cubs could be making a trade, to make another trade do you? Get Bedard and Miggy, then spin Miggy and CPat to Boston for Manny? As the Sox need a CF, and a SS.

[goonys evil twin]

i will admit that i have just skimmed this thread but i am wondering why most think tejada should be had for prospects? i am not big on trading prior either but to get quality you have to give it up and i think that tejada is the best all around shortstop in baseball(arod is a 3rd baseman). no one here would trade prior for prospects so why would the O's trade tejada for prospects? just my opinion.

 

 

They won't. Fans fall in love with "their players." I understand fan sentiment in Baltimore is running 9:1 against trading Tejada for "just Prior."

 

I'm not sure fan sentiment matters to that team. Since the late 90's when they had the highest payroll in the league, that franchise has fallen apart while the owner keeps raking in the big bucks. They've been cutting payroll for years. Then 2 years ago they invested in some older bats and got nothing out of it. They've been a consistently bad sub .500 team year after year. MLB guaranteed Angelos money if his revenue falls after the Nationals moved into the area. There is no hope whatsoever for any success in 2006, they will probably suck in 2007 as well. They'll be lucky to contend in 2008. I don't see this franchise making decisions based on how their fans feel about "their players", especially since they don't really have much of a tie to any of these players. Tejada has been there for 2 years and the team has stunk the whole time. Baltimore wouldn't suffer if they trade Tejada for prospects.

[HoopsCubs]

And another thing: with Miggy on bd., does Cedeno start at second and Walker become prime trade-bait to snag an established vet. pitcher? And who might that pitcher be?

 

Good question. Who does San Diego have playing 2B now that Loretta has been dealt? Walker for Chan Ho Park and plenty of cash?

 

By the way, did anyone get non-tendered, who has any decent upside? I saw names like Fogg and Franklin, but they do nothing for me.

[goonys evil twin]

my point about trading tejada for prospects is that there is no one they should trade a proven stud for a bunch of prospects they need someting proven in return. prior and prospect for tejada and bedard is a fair trade, most might not like it but it is fair.

 

No, it's not fair. Prior alone for Tejada and Bedard could be considered fair. It won't help the Cubs get better, but it's fair. But there's no way that they should add a prospect.

 

 

Why shouldn't they trade Tejada for prospects? What good does a proven player do for them? They have Tejada and they suck. They've sucked for a very long time, and have no hope for near-term success. What would it hurt to take back prospects instead of another veteran? Might they lose 90? Oh well, they can do that with Miggy. Will they lose revenue from fans? Who cares, MLB guarantees them money, and Angelos will be just as happy with the decline in expenses.

[RockTheIvy]

And another thing: with Miggy on bd., does Cedeno start at second and Walker become prime trade-bait to snag an established vet. pitcher? And who might that pitcher be? Who has a hole at 2B or DH?

 

I was wondering that myself, especially the pitching part. If they get Tejada, I wouldn't mind seeing what Walker or Cedeno could get as far as a pitcher in that situation. They could also sign Weaver I guess too, though I don't think they can afford him after the Millwood contract.

[E.J.]

my point about trading tejada for prospects is that there is no one they should trade a proven stud for a bunch of prospects they need someting proven in return. prior and prospect for tejada and bedard is a fair trade, most might not like it but it is fair.

 

No, it's not fair. Prior alone for Tejada and Bedard could be considered fair. It won't help the Cubs get better, but it's fair. But there's no way that they should add a prospect.

 

 

Why shouldn't they trade Tejada for prospects? What good does a proven player do for them? They have Tejada and they suck. They've sucked for a very long time, and have no hope for near-term success. What would it hurt to take back prospects instead of another veteran? Might they lose 90? Oh well, they can do that with Miggy. Will they lose revenue from fans? Who cares, MLB guarantees them money, and Angelos will be just as happy with the decline in expenses.

 

Looking at this from the Orioles side, they trade for Prior, he pitches awesome for them next year, and then the Orioles trade him again for prospects. They would be buying low and selling high.

[badgercub]

 

Looking at this from the Orioles side, they trade for Prior, he pitches awesome for them next year, and then the Orioles trade him again for prospects. They would be buying low and selling high.

 

Assuming Prior doesn't sustain a career ending injury and performs to his abilities.

[E.J.]

 

Looking at this from the Orioles side, they trade for Prior, he pitches awesome for them next year, and then the Orioles trade him again for prospects. They would be buying low and selling high.

 

Assuming Prior doesn't sustain a career ending injury and performs to his abilities.

 

I'd take my chances on him doing very well this coming year.

[goonys evil twin]

Looking at this from the Orioles side, they trade for Prior, he pitches awesome for them next year, and then the Orioles trade him again for prospects. They would be buying low and selling high.

 

I think it's quite foolish to acquire guys with the intent of moving them later for something else. That is always brought up to justify some weird moves, and rarely works out for the best. Prior for Tejada and Bedard would not be buying low, and I doubt they could get any better prospects for Prior next year than they could get for Tejada this year. They could be keeping Bedard and adding tons of arms. It's also an enormous risk, because Prior's value is in the expectations for the next 10 years of his career. But any one of those years could be a stinker, so you're gambling that 2006 isn't a stinker. He would also be closer to free agency then, which will decrease his value. And as goofy as it sounds, when multiple teams look to trade a guy within a year or so, that also weighs on his perceived value.

 

If they are going to trade Tejada, they might as well bite the bullet now, get the best prospects possible, and build a team that will compete in 2008-2010. 2006 and 2007 are hopeless regardless of who they trade him for.

[RockTheIvy]

Looking at this from the Orioles side, they trade for Prior, he pitches awesome for them next year, and then the Orioles trade him again for prospects. They would be buying low and selling high.

 

I think it's quite foolish to acquire guys with the intent of moving them later for something else. That is always brought up to justify some weird moves, and rarely works out for the best. Prior for Tejada and Bedard would not be buying low, and I doubt they could get any better prospects for Prior next year than they could get for Tejada this year. They could be keeping Bedard and adding tons of arms. It's also an enormous risk, because Prior's value is in the expectations for the next 10 years of his career. But any one of those years could be a stinker, so you're gambling that 2006 isn't a stinker. He would also be closer to free agency then, which will decrease his value. And as goofy as it sounds, when multiple teams look to trade a guy within a year or so, that also weighs on his perceived value.

 

If they are going to trade Tejada, they might as well bite the bullet now, get the best prospects possible, and build a team that will compete in 2008-2010. 2006 and 2007 are hopeless regardless of who they trade him for.

 

This is a great point. They have no chance this year against the AL East. They won't be able to sign enough free agents to be able to compete with that division in the coming years either unless they have a core of cheap talented players instead of folks like Geronimo Gil.

[ShawonOmeter12]

i just dont see a package of prospects from the cubs that could net tejada. i think that pie is the only real stud prospect we have. hill is old for a prospect, guzman cant stay healthy, dopirak cooled off this year. cedeno is a decent prospect but not a true stud. i am curious as to what kind of package you think the O's should take from the cubs for miggy.